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Re: Final Cuts - Who's On and Off. 

Post#21 » by Luv those Knicks » Sun Jul 20, 2025 8:23 pm

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Adelheid wrote:kolek has to build his body up like steph curry did. aint surviving in the nba with that patsy physique.


Steph was skinny, but he was always a freak athlete. Faster, better vertical, longer reach, more comfortable shooting 3s. Very different. If Kolek bulks up, there will still be questions about his athleticism, speed, defense and shooting. I'm not saying he can't make those adjustments, but he's got more adjustments to make than Steph did.


Kolek is definitely slower than the typical NBA player - I was thinking of comparisons and Mark Jackson came to mind- not saying they are comparable talents - but in terms of what I like Kolek, which is court vision and running an offense - Jackson had that and was also slow.

What Kolek needs to do is bulk up so when the opposing defender is getting into his space, he can create contact, keep control of the ball, drive through or get a foul call.

I don't know that being stronger helps on defense for Kolek, but it can't hurt.


Mark Jackson is an interesting comp. Jackson as a rookie averaged 10 assists, nearly 5 rebounds and he lead the league in steals. I think he was reasonably quick as a 22 year old, and he was always physical. Kolek is more of a slower Steve Nash without the shooting. Jackson also came in super confident, which can be a good thing. Kolek looks nervous out there. Later in Jackson's career, we started calling him "The turtle" and I think he hurt an offense as much as he helped it. I remember in 2001, when the Knicks traded Chris Childs and a first round pick for Jackson, people here didn't like him. He slowed down the game and we had runners like Spree and Camby on the roster. I think he made our team worse, but he was 35 at that time. Kind of remarkable that a 35 year old, slow PG who couldn't shoot 3s was still a starter. So, Jax did some things well. I'll give him credit for that much.

I don't want to trash Kolek and it feels like I am. He does some things really well. He can be fun to watch.
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Re: Final Cuts - Who's On and Off. 

Post#22 » by Luv those Knicks » Sun Jul 20, 2025 8:29 pm

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Personally, I take Beauchamp over those three. But I agree that he's in a tough spot and some other team with more more room might offer him a contract. I'm less concerned with stats and more how has he looked on the floor playing and I think he's look good and perhaps able to take it to the next level. But I'm just a fan.


I don't want to give you a hard time, but taking Beauchamp over Diawara would be absolute insanity. It looks like the Knicks got a nifty pick with Mo-Di in the 2nd round. He might even make the regular roster.

I can understand taking him over Dink or Nnaji - a little bit. maybe. Those guys have better long term potential. That's the choice the Knicks have to make these coming months with their 2-way players. Go for the ones with long-term upside or look for players who can maybe play meaningful minutes if the roster gets short.

If it was me, I'd go for the long term upside. But it's a long season, so . . . who knows.
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Re: Final Cuts - Who's On and Off. 

Post#23 » by Zero-in-box » Mon Jul 21, 2025 1:57 am

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Personally, I take Beauchamp over those three. But I agree that he's in a tough spot and some other team with more more room might offer him a contract. I'm less concerned with stats and more how has he looked on the floor playing and I think he's look good and perhaps able to take it to the next level. But I'm just a fan.


I don't want to give you a hard time, but taking Beauchamp over Diawara would be absolute insanity. It looks like the Knicks got a nifty pick with Mo-Di in the 2nd round. He might even make the regular roster.

I can understand taking him over Dink or Nnaji - a little bit. maybe. Those guys have better long term potential. That's the choice the Knicks have to make these coming months with their 2-way players. Go for the ones with long-term upside or look for players who can maybe play meaningful minutes if the roster gets short.

If it was me, I'd go for the long term upside. But it's a long season, so . . . who knows.



I’m not taking Beauchamp over Diawara.

Players like Delon Wright or Landy Shamet or even Cam Payne are all ahead of Beauchamp for that final roster spot and I don't know if NY will bring back any of them either


I’m taking him over Shamet, Payne and Wright. And look. - I like all three, but we kinda know what they are and maybe Beauchamp can be something better.

I don’t think the Knicks can stash Diawara- he has to be on the roster and I think he is going to help, especially if OG goes down (which I think is pretty inevitable.)
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Post#24 » by Adelheid » Mon Jul 21, 2025 2:09 am

beauchamp, even when he scored well, feels like mediocre and the sort of the dime-a-dozen players you see around the league. I dont think he will be part of the knicks' list of priorities
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Post#25 » by G_K_F » Mon Jul 21, 2025 2:58 am

Sign Diawara with the last rookie slot and give Nnaji a 2 way if he wants it - or go back to Europe.

I really think we should have given Jokubaitis a chance this year. There is a role for him if he's good enough.

I would sign Malcom Brodgon as a solid 15 mpg guy if we can.

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Post#26 » by LuDux1 » Mon Jul 21, 2025 9:45 am

I heard you need 3rd PG
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Post#27 » by Luv those Knicks » Mon Jul 21, 2025 1:19 pm

LuDux1 wrote:I heard you need 3rd PG
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With respect, if he wanted to be signed, he should have come over for summer league. His actions and his statement don't go hand in hand. It's like refusing to go for a 2nd interview but then asking for the job.

I'm not convinced he's ready for back-up PG minutes in the NBA. He wasn't that good in summer league a year ago.
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Re: Final Cuts - Who's On and Off. 

Post#28 » by Zero-in-box » Mon Jul 21, 2025 2:08 pm

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LuDux1 wrote:I heard you need 3rd PG
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With respect, if he wanted to be signed, he should have come over for summer league. His actions and his statement don't go hand in hand. It's like refusing to go for a 2nd interview but then asking for the job.

I'm not convinced he's ready for back-up PG minutes in the NBA. He wasn't that good in summer league a year ago.


I agree. I love Kolek, and I’m not sure he is an NBA player. When I’ve watch him play - SL or Euro league highlights - I’m not seeing anything remarkable. Sorry to anyone that loves him.
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Post#29 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Mon Jul 21, 2025 5:40 pm

Diawara signed yet?
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Post#30 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Jul 21, 2025 7:29 pm

There is no way Diawara is getting cut. No way.
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Re: Final Cuts - Who's On and Off. 

Post#31 » by StlHawksFan » Mon Jul 21, 2025 8:30 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:Diawara signed yet?


He'll be signed 2 weeks into the season.

Knicks always get a guy in April to be the 15th man. But to do that this year, they will need to wait on 13 and 14.

My guess is McCullar, Pate, and Beauchamp 2-way deals. Nnaji gets an Ex10 so he's paid a little better than a typical G-Leaguer.
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Post#32 » by WaltFrazier » Tue Jul 22, 2025 1:53 am

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LuDux1 wrote:I heard you need 3rd PG
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With respect, if he wanted to be signed, he should have come over for summer league. His actions and his statement don't go hand in hand. It's like refusing to go for a 2nd interview but then asking for the job.

I'm not convinced he's ready for back-up PG minutes in the NBA. He wasn't that good in summer league a year ago.



https://www.eurohoops.net/en/euroleague/1811151/rokas-jokubaitis-on-enjoying-basketball-again-why-hes-done-with-the-nba-summer-league/

No,” Jokubaitis answered when asked if he’ll participate in the 2025 NBA Summer League. “I went to the Summer League two times and I showed myself last summer. At least I think I showed myself ‘not bad’ to the people there. Now, it’s on them. Now, I’m doing my bad, trying to improve I can play there [in the NBA].

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Post#33 » by Zenzibar » Tue Jul 22, 2025 11:33 pm

Luv those Knicks wrote:I don't know what they're going to do, but they have a few options.

Zenzibar wrote:Is Kolek on the bubble, giving 19 year old Dink Pate a chance to grab his spot?



Nope. If Kolek had a non guaranteed deal then he might be on the bubble or in the discussion for a two-way, but he has a guaranteed contract for this coming season and 26-27 too. If they cut him, they still have to pay him and they'd need to pay his replacement. He's here to stay unless he's traded. Dink has a 2-way deal (reportedly), so maybe they can use Dink here and there. How much they use him on the NBA team remains to be seen. I think Dink is an interesting talent, but I don't know how much he's going to play.

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Is selling high on Kolek, the right time?



Again, this is a NOPE. You can't sell high on a player who's value is down, and I'm not sure there ever was a time to "sell high" on Kolek, but if there was, it would have been last year, or this year at the draft. Right now, Kolek doesn't have any value. He could be used in a trade to make the salaries match up, but that's not "selling high"


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Is Delon Wright the new backup?





I like Delon Wright. I thought that, at times, he looked better than Payne last year at a backup PG. But right now he's not on the roster, so he's not anybody's backup. NY could bring him back, but I think they're still exploring other PG options - reportedly inquiring about Chris Paul or Ben Simmons, but whether either of those guys signs for the Vet minimum remains to be seen.

They have one vet minimum spot left and I think it's going to go to a back-up PG, given that they have a few players who could serve as back up wings (Dadiet, McCullar, Diawara). Maybe that spot goes to Delon Wright, but I think he's not their first choice.


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Nnaji & McCuller Jr. knocking for the 2-way contracts?



Teams can have 3 two-way contracts, so the question is, who gets those. McCullar or Diawara could get 2nd round pick minimum deals, or they could get two-ways. Nnaji is also in the mix and if the report that Dink got a 2 way, they have 2 spots left, and more than 2 candidates.

Nnaji looks like he's worth keeping and I think he'll get a two-way.

McCullar could get a 2nd round pick contract, but they could presumably keep him on a two-way as well or start him on a two way and convert him to a 2nd round pick contract like they did with Huk last year.

and Diawara was a nice surprise this summer league and looks like a keeper as well, but two-way, Euro Stash or 2nd round pick contract are all potential options.


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Has 24 year old MarJon Beauchamp's ready defense made a good play for the final vet slot?


Beauchamp was able to score against summer league defenses, but he shot 8 for 30 from 3. 26%. For the type of player he is, he needs to hit his 3s more consistantly. He's a 15th man, if that. There's no chance, no chance at all, that he gets the final vet spot. Players like Delon Wright or Landy Shamet or even Cam Payne are all ahead of Beauchamp for that final roster spot and I don't know if NY will bring back any of them either.

Beauchamp has a shot at a 2-way spot, but here's the problem. NY has decisions to make on what to do with their young players.

Nnaji left Europe, he left his team. He's a big strong guy, just 20 years old. He might be worth holding onto and a two-way is the most likely way that NY would hold onto him.

Dink already signed a two-way because NY wants to hold onto him. I don't think he'll play much this year, but NY wants to keep his rights.

and the final 2-way, it could go to Diawara, and that's 3, meaning, Beauchamp is odd-man out.

McCullar could also get another two-way like last year, or they could give him a rookie deal, but if he's offered a two-way, then who gets promoted to 2nd round pick rookie contract? Maybe Diawara? Whatever they decide, I don't see room for Beauchamp, unless Diawara is sent back to Europe to stash him for a year, but given that he looks like he could maybe contribute this year, at least, as a hustle player with long reach, 11th man type, I don't see them stashing Diawara for a year.

So Beauchamp is probably out, unless they stash Nnaji or Diawara in Europe and stashing Diawara would lead to fan outrage right now. Stashing Nnaji might be more reasonable, except, as I understand it, Nnaji bailed on his Euro team, so that might not work either.

I think the final 2 roster spots will go to McCullar & a vet . . . not sure who

and the two-ways will go to Diawara, Nnaji & Dink, which isn't ideal, having 2 20 year olds and 1 19 year old on two-way deals, as it's sometimes better to have more experience there to be used as needed. But that's my guess. Those 3.

I think Mike Brown will look at Deuce as a back-up PG this year. He's not really a PG, but quicker outlet passes, maybe that could work, or maybe the find another vet. Deuce might be better in a more open offense, more passing and running, less methodical like Thibs used. Or they could sign a PG (Chis Paul would be a steal, but I think he wants to play on the west coast).

Other questions are going to be how many minutes, players like Dadiet or McCullar or Huk might earn. With the big men both healthy (KAT & Mitch) and Yabusele in the mix, how many minutes Huk will get remains to be seen.

Dadiet could be used as an option to not play Mikal or Hart as many minutes as they played last year, but how good Dadiet will be at this level, at his young age . . . also remains to be seen. The Knicks have some young talent, which is nice, but a potential playoff team with all those 19 and 20 year olds holding roster spots might not be ideal.

Kolek is on the team, but for now, I think he's out of the rotation, unless he tightens up his game and starts hitting his 3s. But I don't know anything, this is just one silly fan's long winded opinion.

All that said, it's a nice roster. A new coach. They seem to draft pretty well. Clarkson & Yabu were nice additions. I'm curious how Clarkson & McBride will share time, as they fill similar roles. Clarkson is a more aggressive scorer, but I'm not certian he's actually better than Deuce.


Thanks for the.breakdown.

We agree that Kolek has made some believers into non-believers. But the boys defense is non-existant right now and I can't see him getting better there, in this window we're in.

Beauchamp is an intersting talent but I'm not sure if he can hit the corner 3 consistantly.

From the little I've seen of both, my gut tells me that Diawara has a slightly higher basketball IQ.

Lastly, I like that we have young studs like Huk, Dadiet, Pate and Diawara developing with us.

In any event, training camp is going to be exciting.

Btw, what are your thoughts on Walt Perrin's finding of Pate and Diawara and also how Brock Aller has been handling the 2nd apron?
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Post#34 » by Zenzibar » Tue Jul 22, 2025 11:35 pm

Dink Pate excitement.

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Post#35 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Jul 23, 2025 11:10 am

Zenzibar wrote:Dink Pate excitement.



Ceiling fan man is not excitement
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Post#36 » by BKlutch » Wed Jul 23, 2025 5:36 pm

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Zenzibar wrote:Dink Pate excitement.



Ceiling fan man is not excitement

I feel like this would be a good case for only reading an AI summary of the video's main points.
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Post#37 » by 8516knicks » Thu Jul 24, 2025 4:44 am

More to the point - do we have a starting 5 for Westchester or do they suck beyond that level?
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Post#38 » by 8516knicks » Thu Jul 24, 2025 4:45 am

BKlutch wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
Zenzibar wrote:Dink Pate excitement.



Ceiling fan man is not excitement

I feel like this would be a good case for only reading an AI summary of the video's main points.


"Dink Pate excitement." Did someone ask for an oxymoron? :D
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Post#39 » by 8516knicks » Thu Jul 24, 2025 4:47 am

Zenzibar wrote:Dink Pate excitement.



Try Goose Pate. 8-)
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Post#40 » by TheGreenArrow » Thu Jul 24, 2025 3:59 pm

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