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Post#61 » by RHODEY » Sun Jun 15, 2025 10:20 pm

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If Ryan Coogler, Michael B. Jordan, Delroy Lindo, and Ludwig Göransson aren't walking away with Oscars, the Academy is not a serious institution.
Coogler will own his movie rights in 25 years....I doubt they want to encourage or promote that sort of independence.


Didn't Tarantino do something similar?

dont know , but I could see that.
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Post#63 » by Davis18 » Wed Jun 25, 2025 12:08 pm

Not bad but too musical for my taste.
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Post#64 » by Luv those Knicks » Sun Jul 20, 2025 9:37 pm

I'm late to the party, but I just watched it on HBO-Max and granted, this might have been a better theater experience, but I thought it was a solid film. Not a home-run for me, but a double or a well hit single. It was good.


My comments (if nobody minds . . . if you mind my posts, you can put me on ignore, I won't take it personally. I tend to over-think and I like to write, so here-goes.

Heavy spoilers ahead - so don't read if you haven't seen the film.

Theme 1: Music

Davis18 wrote:Not bad but too musical for my taste.


I get that. But the theme of the movie was music.

Spoiler:
Delroy Lindo, who, I think is an underrated actor, was the heart of the film. It wasn't Michael B. Jordan. It wasn't Miles Canton, though he was the central character. Delroy was the heart of the film, and Wunmi Mosaku to a lesser extent, but mostly it was Delroy.

I liked him in Cider House Rules. I liked him in Get Shorty. I haven't seen a lot of his stuff, but he's always good. He's got a good voice and he's really smooth.

I thought the movie was bold in how it cut to some musical scenes. Movies have had musical scenes before, but Coogler had 2 longish scenes that were just people playing music. Usually writers will use musical numbers to forward the story, and often, cut the song in half for the film. Coogler just went with music and it for the most part, wasn't even modern music. But I liked that. I thought it was a bold choice. I understand that not everyone would like it though.


Theme 2: Racism

Setting up a movie in the q1930s in the south, about black people, racism was going to be a theme. They didn't over-do it, but it was a sub-plot. The movie was as much about racism as it was about vampires, and that was fine. I thought the poverty and unfair system and how even the musicians weren't "free". It was efficient and well done. Not hitting you over the head, but consistent and well told.

Hailey Steinfeld's role was interesting and mostly well acted. Her identity and her love interest were both points of conflict for her, though I thought her love for stack kind was a little over-written. Not that it wasn't believable. Young people fall in love all the time. It was believable, I just thought it didn't add that much to the film, like she was a minor character and they tried to give her two plot conflicts. As a writer myself, I think that was too much. A TV series can give multiple characters a conflict arch, but a movie is too short.

Theme 3: Spirituality / Mojo - whatever you want to call it.

I thought this theme was a little bit weak. It was there. The Wunmi Mosaku character was interesting and well done. I had no idea she was the same actress who played the agent in Loki. I felt that the spiritual aspect of the movie, which I was looking forward to the most, was a little light. There was never a moment where I felt that the mojo bag saved Stack. His intelligence and toughness saved him, well, until he got shot in the end, but he survived the vampires. Wummi was the one who figured out they were vampires, which was cool, but I wanted a little bit more.

The music was tied to African culture, but the mojo and Wummi's knowledge wasn't.

One of the weaknesses of the movie was that Coogler put so much back story into the film that was just told to us. The two brothers went to Chicago. Probably robbed somebody or . . . did something shady, came back with money. All just dropped in dialogue. "Music can reach the dead" - just dropped in dialogue. Hailey Steinfeld was a past lover - who he left, just dropped in dialogue. Delroy talking about his musician buddy who saved his money to build a church, only to get killed and lynched and castrated - also dropped in dialogue. Coogler was giving us so much in back story that I had the feeling that 80% of the movie happened off-screen. I don't want to say that was bad, because it was still a good film, but it was a lot to just tell us in exposition.


As for the gore. There were quick scenes where the movie felt like From Dusk TilL Dawn, but they went by quickly. Coogler gave the audience gore, but didn't overdo it, maybe even under-did it, and I respect that.

It was refreshing to have an intelligent and well written story for a change, where the gore was downplayed and the music was up played.

I still think the film had flaws, like, we don't really have a sense of who Stack was, other than tough.

Spoiler:
Was it his plan to shoot up the Klan his plan all along, or was that just something he did in the final scene. I suspect it was his plan all along. Or, he wanted to see if the club can work, but if it doesn't, as a consolation, shoot and kill a dozen klan members.

Did he want the club to succeed at all? I think he did, but that wasn't clear. It didn't look like a good long-term investment. It looked like they were paying a lot of money to fail and Delroy Lindo even said as much, saying they wouln't be open for long.

There's nothing wrong with a vengeance driven story, but make it clear. Again - just my 2 cents. The "why spend all this money when they had all this money, only to fail" that aspect of the story bothered me. Or was the club just a plot device? . . . anyway, minor complaint in an otherwise good film.


Overall, even with the flaws, it was intelligent and serious. 4 stars out of 5. I look forward to Coogler's next work.

Just my 2 cents.

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Post#65 » by Bob Ross » Mon Jul 21, 2025 9:59 am

Sinners was probably my favorite movie of 2025
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Post#66 » by RHODEY » Mon Jul 21, 2025 7:02 pm

Luv those Knicks wrote:I'm late to the party, but I just watched it on HBO-Max and granted, this might have been a better theater experience, but I thought it was a solid film. Not a home-run for me, but a double or a well hit single. It was good.


My comments (if nobody minds . . . if you mind my posts, you can put me on ignore, I won't take it personally. I tend to over-think and I like to write, so here-goes.

Heavy spoilers ahead - so don't read if you haven't seen the film.

Theme 1: Music

Davis18 wrote:Not bad but too musical for my taste.


I get that. But the theme of the movie was music.

Spoiler:
Delroy Lindo, who, I think is an underrated actor, was the heart of the film. It wasn't Michael B. Jordan. It wasn't Miles Canton, though he was the central character. Delroy was the heart of the film, and Wunmi Mosaku to a lesser extent, but mostly it was Delroy.

I liked him in Cider House Rules. I liked him in Get Shorty. I haven't seen a lot of his stuff, but he's always good. He's got a good voice and he's really smooth.

I thought the movie was bold in how it cut to some musical scenes. Movies have had musical scenes before, but Coogler had 2 longish scenes that were just people playing music. Usually writers will use musical numbers to forward the story, and often, cut the song in half for the film. Coogler just went with music and it for the most part, wasn't even modern music. But I liked that. I thought it was a bold choice. I understand that not everyone would like it though.


Theme 2: Racism

Setting up a movie in the q1930s in the south, about black people, racism was going to be a theme. They didn't over-do it, but it was a sub-plot. The movie was as much about racism as it was about vampires, and that was fine. I thought the poverty and unfair system and how even the musicians weren't "free". It was efficient and well done. Not hitting you over the head, but consistent and well told.

Hailey Steinfeld's role was interesting and mostly well acted. Her identity and her love interest were both points of conflict for her, though I thought her love for stack kind was a little over-written. Not that it wasn't believable. Young people fall in love all the time. It was believable, I just thought it didn't add that much to the film, like she was a minor character and they tried to give her two plot conflicts. As a writer myself, I think that was too much. A TV series can give multiple characters a conflict arch, but a movie is too short.

Theme 3: Spirituality / Mojo - whatever you want to call it.

I thought this theme was a little bit weak. It was there. The Wunmi Mosaku character was interesting and well done. I had no idea she was the same actress who played the agent in Loki. I felt that the spiritual aspect of the movie, which I was looking forward to the most, was a little light. There was never a moment where I felt that the mojo bag saved Stack. His intelligence and toughness saved him, well, until he got shot in the end, but he survived the vampires. Wummi was the one who figured out they were vampires, which was cool, but I wanted a little bit more.

The music was tied to African culture, but the mojo and Wummi's knowledge wasn't.

One of the weaknesses of the movie was that Coogler put so much back story into the film that was just told to us. The two brothers went to Chicago. Probably robbed somebody or . . . did something shady, came back with money. All just dropped in dialogue. "Music can reach the dead" - just dropped in dialogue. Hailey Steinfeld was a past lover - who he left, just dropped in dialogue. Delroy talking about his musician buddy who saved his money to build a church, only to get killed and lynched and castrated - also dropped in dialogue. Coogler was giving us so much in back story that I had the feeling that 80% of the movie happened off-screen. I don't want to say that was bad, because it was still a good film, but it was a lot to just tell us in exposition.


As for the gore. There were quick scenes where the movie felt like From Dusk TilL Dawn, but they went by quickly. Coogler gave the audience gore, but didn't overdo it, maybe even under-did it, and I respect that.

It was refreshing to have an intelligent and well written story for a change, where the gore was downplayed and the music was up played.

I still think the film had flaws, like, we don't really have a sense of who Stack was, other than tough.

Spoiler:
Was it his plan to shoot up the Klan his plan all along, or was that just something he did in the final scene. I suspect it was his plan all along. Or, he wanted to see if the club can work, but if it doesn't, as a consolation, shoot and kill a dozen klan members.

Did he want the club to succeed at all? I think he did, but that wasn't clear. It didn't look like a good long-term investment. It looked like they were paying a lot of money to fail and Delroy Lindo even said as much, saying they wouln't be open for long.

There's nothing wrong with a vengeance driven story, but make it clear. Again - just my 2 cents. The "why spend all this money when they had all this money, only to fail" that aspect of the story bothered me. Or was the club just a plot device? . . . anyway, minor complaint in an otherwise good film.


Overall, even with the flaws, it was intelligent and serious. 4 stars out of 5. I look forward to Coogler's next work.

Just my 2 cents.

too much?



Great review, here are some responses:

Spoiler:
I thought this theme was a little bit weak. It was there. The Wunmi Mosaku character was interesting and well done. I had no idea she was the same actress who played the agent in Loki. I felt that the spiritual aspect of the movie, which I was looking forward to the most, was a little light. There was never a moment where I felt that the mojo bag saved Stack. His intelligence and toughness saved him, well, until he got shot in the end, but he survived the vampires. Wummi was the one who figured out they were vampires, which was cool, but I wanted a little bit more.


It was really subtle but the necklace she gave him repelled Stack @the ~2:45 mark


Was it his plan to shoot up the Klan his plan all along, or was that just something he did in the final scene. I suspect it was his plan all along. Or, he wanted to see if the club can work, but if it doesn't, as a consolation, shoot and kill a dozen klan members.


From what I can recall he was clueless about the Klan's double cross until the head Vampire spilled the beans to him. As far seeing the club as a long term venture ...I'm not sure , I think so, but Id have to rewatch it

The music was tied to African culture, but the mojo and Wummi's knowledge wasn't.
Yeah maybe they should have done more to explain to he wider audience the "practice of "mojo" or as I know it "root work" under the baner of "Vodu" brought over by the Africans - and some say indigenous black Indians.
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Re: O.T. Sinners 

Post#67 » by prophet_of_rage » Mon Jul 21, 2025 11:38 pm

RHODEY wrote:
Luv those Knicks wrote:I'm late to the party, but I just watched it on HBO-Max and granted, this might have been a better theater experience, but I thought it was a solid film. Not a home-run for me, but a double or a well hit single. It was good.


My comments (if nobody minds . . . if you mind my posts, you can put me on ignore, I won't take it personally. I tend to over-think and I like to write, so here-goes.

Heavy spoilers ahead - so don't read if you haven't seen the film.

Theme 1: Music

Davis18 wrote:Not bad but too musical for my taste.


I get that. But the theme of the movie was music.

Spoiler:
Delroy Lindo, who, I think is an underrated actor, was the heart of the film. It wasn't Michael B. Jordan. It wasn't Miles Canton, though he was the central character. Delroy was the heart of the film, and Wunmi Mosaku to a lesser extent, but mostly it was Delroy.

I liked him in Cider House Rules. I liked him in Get Shorty. I haven't seen a lot of his stuff, but he's always good. He's got a good voice and he's really smooth.

I thought the movie was bold in how it cut to some musical scenes. Movies have had musical scenes before, but Coogler had 2 longish scenes that were just people playing music. Usually writers will use musical numbers to forward the story, and often, cut the song in half for the film. Coogler just went with music and it for the most part, wasn't even modern music. But I liked that. I thought it was a bold choice. I understand that not everyone would like it though.


Theme 2: Racism

Setting up a movie in the q1930s in the south, about black people, racism was going to be a theme. They didn't over-do it, but it was a sub-plot. The movie was as much about racism as it was about vampires, and that was fine. I thought the poverty and unfair system and how even the musicians weren't "free". It was efficient and well done. Not hitting you over the head, but consistent and well told.

Hailey Steinfeld's role was interesting and mostly well acted. Her identity and her love interest were both points of conflict for her, though I thought her love for stack kind was a little over-written. Not that it wasn't believable. Young people fall in love all the time. It was believable, I just thought it didn't add that much to the film, like she was a minor character and they tried to give her two plot conflicts. As a writer myself, I think that was too much. A TV series can give multiple characters a conflict arch, but a movie is too short.

Theme 3: Spirituality / Mojo - whatever you want to call it.

I thought this theme was a little bit weak. It was there. The Wunmi Mosaku character was interesting and well done. I had no idea she was the same actress who played the agent in Loki. I felt that the spiritual aspect of the movie, which I was looking forward to the most, was a little light. There was never a moment where I felt that the mojo bag saved Stack. His intelligence and toughness saved him, well, until he got shot in the end, but he survived the vampires. Wummi was the one who figured out they were vampires, which was cool, but I wanted a little bit more.

The music was tied to African culture, but the mojo and Wummi's knowledge wasn't.

One of the weaknesses of the movie was that Coogler put so much back story into the film that was just told to us. The two brothers went to Chicago. Probably robbed somebody or . . . did something shady, came back with money. All just dropped in dialogue. "Music can reach the dead" - just dropped in dialogue. Hailey Steinfeld was a past lover - who he left, just dropped in dialogue. Delroy talking about his musician buddy who saved his money to build a church, only to get killed and lynched and castrated - also dropped in dialogue. Coogler was giving us so much in back story that I had the feeling that 80% of the movie happened off-screen. I don't want to say that was bad, because it was still a good film, but it was a lot to just tell us in exposition.


As for the gore. There were quick scenes where the movie felt like From Dusk TilL Dawn, but they went by quickly. Coogler gave the audience gore, but didn't overdo it, maybe even under-did it, and I respect that.

It was refreshing to have an intelligent and well written story for a change, where the gore was downplayed and the music was up played.

I still think the film had flaws, like, we don't really have a sense of who Stack was, other than tough.

Spoiler:
Was it his plan to shoot up the Klan his plan all along, or was that just something he did in the final scene. I suspect it was his plan all along. Or, he wanted to see if the club can work, but if it doesn't, as a consolation, shoot and kill a dozen klan members.

Did he want the club to succeed at all? I think he did, but that wasn't clear. It didn't look like a good long-term investment. It looked like they were paying a lot of money to fail and Delroy Lindo even said as much, saying they wouln't be open for long.

There's nothing wrong with a vengeance driven story, but make it clear. Again - just my 2 cents. The "why spend all this money when they had all this money, only to fail" that aspect of the story bothered me. Or was the club just a plot device? . . . anyway, minor complaint in an otherwise good film.


Overall, even with the flaws, it was intelligent and serious. 4 stars out of 5. I look forward to Coogler's next work.

Just my 2 cents.

too much?



Great review, here are some responses:

Spoiler:
I thought this theme was a little bit weak. It was there. The Wunmi Mosaku character was interesting and well done. I had no idea she was the same actress who played the agent in Loki. I felt that the spiritual aspect of the movie, which I was looking forward to the most, was a little light. There was never a moment where I felt that the mojo bag saved Stack. His intelligence and toughness saved him, well, until he got shot in the end, but he survived the vampires. Wummi was the one who figured out they were vampires, which was cool, but I wanted a little bit more.


It was really subtle but the necklace she gave him repelled Stack @the ~2:45 mark


Was it his plan to shoot up the Klan his plan all along, or was that just something he did in the final scene. I suspect it was his plan all along. Or, he wanted to see if the club can work, but if it doesn't, as a consolation, shoot and kill a dozen klan members.


From what I can recall he was clueless about the Klan's double cross until the head Vampire spilled the beans to him. As far seeing the club as a long term venture ...I'm not sure , I think so, but Id have to rewatch it

The music was tied to African culture, but the mojo and Wummi's knowledge wasn't.
Yeah maybe they should have done more to explain to he wider audience the "practice of "mojo" or as I know it "root work" under the baner of "Vodu" brought over by the Africans - and some say indigenous black Indians.
Smoke got shot as soon as he took off the mojo bag.

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Post#68 » by Jeff Van Gully » Tue Jul 22, 2025 4:32 pm

RHODEY wrote:
Luv those Knicks wrote:I'm late to the party, but I just watched it on HBO-Max and granted, this might have been a better theater experience, but I thought it was a solid film. Not a home-run for me, but a double or a well hit single. It was good.


My comments (if nobody minds . . . if you mind my posts, you can put me on ignore, I won't take it personally. I tend to over-think and I like to write, so here-goes.

Heavy spoilers ahead - so don't read if you haven't seen the film.

Theme 1: Music

Davis18 wrote:Not bad but too musical for my taste.


I get that. But the theme of the movie was music.

Spoiler:
Delroy Lindo, who, I think is an underrated actor, was the heart of the film. It wasn't Michael B. Jordan. It wasn't Miles Canton, though he was the central character. Delroy was the heart of the film, and Wunmi Mosaku to a lesser extent, but mostly it was Delroy.

I liked him in Cider House Rules. I liked him in Get Shorty. I haven't seen a lot of his stuff, but he's always good. He's got a good voice and he's really smooth.

I thought the movie was bold in how it cut to some musical scenes. Movies have had musical scenes before, but Coogler had 2 longish scenes that were just people playing music. Usually writers will use musical numbers to forward the story, and often, cut the song in half for the film. Coogler just went with music and it for the most part, wasn't even modern music. But I liked that. I thought it was a bold choice. I understand that not everyone would like it though.


Theme 2: Racism

Setting up a movie in the q1930s in the south, about black people, racism was going to be a theme. They didn't over-do it, but it was a sub-plot. The movie was as much about racism as it was about vampires, and that was fine. I thought the poverty and unfair system and how even the musicians weren't "free". It was efficient and well done. Not hitting you over the head, but consistent and well told.

Hailey Steinfeld's role was interesting and mostly well acted. Her identity and her love interest were both points of conflict for her, though I thought her love for stack kind was a little over-written. Not that it wasn't believable. Young people fall in love all the time. It was believable, I just thought it didn't add that much to the film, like she was a minor character and they tried to give her two plot conflicts. As a writer myself, I think that was too much. A TV series can give multiple characters a conflict arch, but a movie is too short.

Theme 3: Spirituality / Mojo - whatever you want to call it.

I thought this theme was a little bit weak. It was there. The Wunmi Mosaku character was interesting and well done. I had no idea she was the same actress who played the agent in Loki. I felt that the spiritual aspect of the movie, which I was looking forward to the most, was a little light. There was never a moment where I felt that the mojo bag saved Stack. His intelligence and toughness saved him, well, until he got shot in the end, but he survived the vampires. Wummi was the one who figured out they were vampires, which was cool, but I wanted a little bit more.

The music was tied to African culture, but the mojo and Wummi's knowledge wasn't.

One of the weaknesses of the movie was that Coogler put so much back story into the film that was just told to us. The two brothers went to Chicago. Probably robbed somebody or . . . did something shady, came back with money. All just dropped in dialogue. "Music can reach the dead" - just dropped in dialogue. Hailey Steinfeld was a past lover - who he left, just dropped in dialogue. Delroy talking about his musician buddy who saved his money to build a church, only to get killed and lynched and castrated - also dropped in dialogue. Coogler was giving us so much in back story that I had the feeling that 80% of the movie happened off-screen. I don't want to say that was bad, because it was still a good film, but it was a lot to just tell us in exposition.


As for the gore. There were quick scenes where the movie felt like From Dusk TilL Dawn, but they went by quickly. Coogler gave the audience gore, but didn't overdo it, maybe even under-did it, and I respect that.

It was refreshing to have an intelligent and well written story for a change, where the gore was downplayed and the music was up played.

I still think the film had flaws, like, we don't really have a sense of who Stack was, other than tough.

Spoiler:
Was it his plan to shoot up the Klan his plan all along, or was that just something he did in the final scene. I suspect it was his plan all along. Or, he wanted to see if the club can work, but if it doesn't, as a consolation, shoot and kill a dozen klan members.

Did he want the club to succeed at all? I think he did, but that wasn't clear. It didn't look like a good long-term investment. It looked like they were paying a lot of money to fail and Delroy Lindo even said as much, saying they wouln't be open for long.

There's nothing wrong with a vengeance driven story, but make it clear. Again - just my 2 cents. The "why spend all this money when they had all this money, only to fail" that aspect of the story bothered me. Or was the club just a plot device? . . . anyway, minor complaint in an otherwise good film.


Overall, even with the flaws, it was intelligent and serious. 4 stars out of 5. I look forward to Coogler's next work.

Just my 2 cents.

too much?



Great review, here are some responses:

Spoiler:
I thought this theme was a little bit weak. It was there. The Wunmi Mosaku character was interesting and well done. I had no idea she was the same actress who played the agent in Loki. I felt that the spiritual aspect of the movie, which I was looking forward to the most, was a little light. There was never a moment where I felt that the mojo bag saved Stack. His intelligence and toughness saved him, well, until he got shot in the end, but he survived the vampires. Wummi was the one who figured out they were vampires, which was cool, but I wanted a little bit more.


It was really subtle but the necklace she gave him repelled Stack @the ~2:45 mark


Was it his plan to shoot up the Klan his plan all along, or was that just something he did in the final scene. I suspect it was his plan all along. Or, he wanted to see if the club can work, but if it doesn't, as a consolation, shoot and kill a dozen klan members.


From what I can recall he was clueless about the Klan's double cross until the head Vampire spilled the beans to him. As far seeing the club as a long term venture ...I'm not sure , I think so, but Id have to rewatch it

The music was tied to African culture, but the mojo and Wummi's knowledge wasn't.
Yeah maybe they should have done more to explain to he wider audience the "practice of "mojo" or as I know it "root work" under the baner of "Vodu" brought over by the Africans - and some say indigenous black Indians.


yeah, i think the plan was always

Spoiler:
to lure the klan/enemies in and crash out.

they only brought enough hooch to last a short while. there was no way to replenish the stash. can't go back to chicago for more under those circumstances. who knows how long it would have been before chicago mob sent pros down to the delta?

white folks taking cash and stealing property from blacks was nothing new. just a way to double dip. the buy money was just enough to let the brothers do what they needed for a final... gathering? celebration of life?
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