Should Middleton and/or McCollum also seek buyouts?

Moderators: MoneyTalks41890, HartfordWhalers, Texas Chuck, BullyKing, Andre Roberstan, loserX, Trader_Joe, Mamba4Goat, pacers33granger

Crymson
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,727
And1: 738
Joined: Apr 17, 2016

Re: Should Middleton and/or McCollum also seek buyouts? 

Post#21 » by Crymson » Mon Jul 21, 2025 5:51 am

Thanks to the stupid (albeit unsurprising) trade the Pelicans made with Atlanta, they've got absolutely zero incentive to tank this season and every incentive to win as much as they can. Having McCollum is helpful toward the latter end. They've got no reason to let him simply leave.

The Wizards are a different story, and that case would depend upon how much they like having Middleton around and how much money he'd be willing to surrender in a buyout.
Monky15
Starter
Posts: 2,243
And1: 728
Joined: Mar 13, 2012

Re: Should Middleton and/or McCollum also seek buyouts? 

Post#22 » by Monky15 » Mon Jul 21, 2025 9:32 am

I think CJ will be traded sooner or later. Once teams can package guys they just traded for it frees a couple moves up.
Miami - Rozier, Fontecchio and 2nds saves Miami $5M and gets them a better player.
Boston - Simons, Niang and 2nds saves the Celtics some cash.
penbeast0
Senior Mod - NBA Player Comparisons
Senior Mod - NBA Player Comparisons
Posts: 30,360
And1: 9,912
Joined: Aug 14, 2004
Location: South Florida
 

Re: Should Middleton and/or McCollum also seek buyouts? 

Post#23 » by penbeast0 » Mon Jul 21, 2025 3:25 pm

Of course, the Wiz have an extra deep stockpile of 2nds and have jiggered their vets so they are all expiring next year as they want to keep all their young guys and have space to make a potentially big move. Plus, getting quality players who play team ball to mentor is also a priority with those vets; CJ and Middleton seem to be that kind of guy. So, not a lot of incentive for the Wiz in those suggestions.
“Most people use statistics like a drunk man uses a lamppost; more for support than illumination,” Andrew Lang.
Billl
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,243
And1: 3,381
Joined: Sep 06, 2013

Re: Should Middleton and/or McCollum also seek buyouts? 

Post#24 » by Billl » Mon Jul 21, 2025 3:42 pm

The thing about "veteran leadership" is that it only really works if the guy wants to be there and he wants to play that role. Otherwise, it's just a guy biding his time until he can get out of there. Not sure what either of these guys are thinking, but most guys who have played at a high level would rather be a role player on a competitive team than a mentor on a rebuilding squad.
gswhoops
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 34,647
And1: 6,310
Joined: Apr 27, 2005
   

Re: Should Middleton and/or McCollum also seek buyouts? 

Post#25 » by gswhoops » Mon Jul 21, 2025 4:35 pm

Monky15 wrote:I think CJ will be traded sooner or later. Once teams can package guys they just traded for it frees a couple moves up.
Miami - Rozier, Fontecchio and 2nds saves Miami $5M and gets them a better player.
Boston - Simons, Niang and 2nds saves the Celtics some cash.

Washington has at least 7, and potentially as many as 10 2nd round picks over the next 3 years. I don't think more 2nds is going to entice them to take on money for lesser players.
Monky15
Starter
Posts: 2,243
And1: 728
Joined: Mar 13, 2012

Re: Should Middleton and/or McCollum also seek buyouts? 

Post#26 » by Monky15 » Mon Jul 21, 2025 8:09 pm

gswhoops wrote:
Monky15 wrote:I think CJ will be traded sooner or later. Once teams can package guys they just traded for it frees a couple moves up.
Miami - Rozier, Fontecchio and 2nds saves Miami $5M and gets them a better player.
Boston - Simons, Niang and 2nds saves the Celtics some cash.

Washington has at least 7, and potentially as many as 10 2nd round picks over the next 3 years. I don't think more 2nds is going to entice them to take on money for lesser players.


2nds is all Washington can reasonably expect while only taking back expiring contracts. Not that they have to trade him but I figure something is better than the nothing you would get from letting him expire or be waived.
Mamba4Goat
Forum Mod
Forum Mod
Posts: 11,767
And1: 8,071
Joined: Dec 13, 2013
     

Re: Should Middleton and/or McCollum also seek buyouts? 

Post#27 » by Mamba4Goat » Tue Jul 22, 2025 12:33 am

Would there be any bad optics from his role with the player’s union if CJ asked to be bought out? I know he no longer holds the role, but could it be heavily frowned upon for him?
Rest in peace Mamba. There'll never be another Kobe.
Mamba4Goat
Forum Mod
Forum Mod
Posts: 11,767
And1: 8,071
Joined: Dec 13, 2013
     

Re: Should Middleton and/or McCollum also seek buyouts? 

Post#28 » by Mamba4Goat » Tue Jul 22, 2025 12:34 am

Crymson wrote:Thanks to the stupid (albeit unsurprising) trade the Pelicans made with Atlanta, they've got absolutely zero incentive to tank this season and every incentive to win as much as they can. Having McCollum is helpful toward the latter end. They've got no reason to let him simply leave.

The Wizards are a different story, and that case would depend upon how much they like having Middleton around and how much money he'd be willing to surrender in a buyout.


The Pels-Wiz made a Poole for McCollum swap. McCollum is a Wizard now.
Rest in peace Mamba. There'll never be another Kobe.
penbeast0
Senior Mod - NBA Player Comparisons
Senior Mod - NBA Player Comparisons
Posts: 30,360
And1: 9,912
Joined: Aug 14, 2004
Location: South Florida
 

Re: Should Middleton and/or McCollum also seek buyouts? 

Post#29 » by penbeast0 » Tue Jul 22, 2025 2:19 pm

Billl wrote:The thing about "veteran leadership" is that it only really works if the guy wants to be there and he wants to play that role. Otherwise, it's just a guy biding his time until he can get out of there. Not sure what either of these guys are thinking, but most guys who have played at a high level would rather be a role player on a competitive team than a mentor on a rebuilding squad.


That's why I said that McCollum and Middleton seem to be buying into the role. Talking the talk anyway. If not, I absolutely agree with you.
“Most people use statistics like a drunk man uses a lamppost; more for support than illumination,” Andrew Lang.
Crymson
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,727
And1: 738
Joined: Apr 17, 2016

Re: Should Middleton and/or McCollum also seek buyouts? 

Post#30 » by Crymson » Tue Jul 22, 2025 3:23 pm

Mamba4Goat wrote:
Crymson wrote:Thanks to the stupid (albeit unsurprising) trade the Pelicans made with Atlanta, they've got absolutely zero incentive to tank this season and every incentive to win as much as they can. Having McCollum is helpful toward the latter end. They've got no reason to let him simply leave.

The Wizards are a different story, and that case would depend upon how much they like having Middleton around and how much money he'd be willing to surrender in a buyout.


The Pels-Wiz made a Poole for McCollum swap. McCollum is a Wizard now.


Whoops, my bad!
jbk1234
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 58,908
And1: 35,992
Joined: Dec 22, 2010
 

Re: Should Middleton and/or McCollum also seek buyouts? 

Post#31 » by jbk1234 » Tue Jul 22, 2025 4:06 pm

Mamba4Goat wrote:Would there be any bad optics from his role with the player’s union if CJ asked to be bought out? I know he no longer holds the role, but could it be heavily frowned upon for him?


I suspect that given how much Smart gave back in order to be bought out before the season started, that's the bigger hurdle.
cbosh4mvp wrote:
Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
jbk1234
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 58,908
And1: 35,992
Joined: Dec 22, 2010
 

Re: Should Middleton and/or McCollum also seek buyouts? 

Post#32 » by jbk1234 » Tue Jul 22, 2025 4:11 pm

Monky15 wrote:
gswhoops wrote:
Monky15 wrote:I think CJ will be traded sooner or later. Once teams can package guys they just traded for it frees a couple moves up.
Miami - Rozier, Fontecchio and 2nds saves Miami $5M and gets them a better player.
Boston - Simons, Niang and 2nds saves the Celtics some cash.

Washington has at least 7, and potentially as many as 10 2nd round picks over the next 3 years. I don't think more 2nds is going to entice them to take on money for lesser players.


2nds is all Washington can reasonably expect while only taking back expiring contracts. Not that they have to trade him but I figure something is better than the nothing you would get from letting him expire or be waived.



Regardless of what they could reasonably expect, it's not much incentive and rebuilding teams tend to be in no rush before the season starts. The Simons and Niang package might have legs, but taking back extra money matters.
cbosh4mvp wrote:
Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.

Return to Trades and Transactions