Brewers 2025 Discussion - Frelick Activated, Black Sent Down

[MickeyDavis]

Can't let the 10 game streak cloud judgement and if the right deal is there you make it (I don't know what that would be), but I'd be fine standing pat.

[Turk Nowitzki]

I don't expect them to part with significant prospect capital to rent Suarez for a couple months. Just not really the way we do business. Usually if it's a rental it's a guy lower down the pecking order that we think we can still get value from for cheaper (Carlos Santana, Mark Canha, Frankie Montas etc, etc.) Otherwise we seem to target guys with more years of control.

[MikeIsGood]

Otto Lopez in particular feels very Brewersy. Has already been worth 3 WAR on B-Ref. A decent but not great hitter who provides a ton of value with his glove.

It also feels like he's effectively the exact player we hoped Ortiz to be this year.

[Wisky4life]

I havent watched many games but follow the box scores.

What are the needs going into deadline?

Espn suggests 3rd base and i always assume an arm or 2 upgrade. I dont want to lose our farm for any rentals this year.

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[Ron Swanson]

Could see them going either way. Ortiz is clearly the only major weakness amongst the regulars, but even then he's been hitting the ball much better the last couple months and back to being a ~.720 OPS guy.

[Kerb Hohl]

I havent watched many games but follow the box scores.

What are the needs going into deadline?

Espn suggests 3rd base and i always assume an arm or 2 upgrade. I dont want to lose our farm for any rentals this year.

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I think we've reached this classic territory we've been in when the teams are pretty good.

There are guys that we won't replace because contract/etc. and are still solid players but not performing at star levels for various reasons - Yelich at times in recent years (age), Contreras (finger)

After that, everybody else is an above-average player. You want to improve over Isaac Collins or Durbin? Sure, you have to pick up one of the all stars out there and give up something in the Made/Pena/Henderson realm of prospects. Not in our DNA.

So there's never logically a place to make a rational move in the end.

To answer the question, adding another name to the mix on the left side of the infield or bullpen would be what I see as places they'll look to improve.

[coolhandluke121]

Don't even bother looking up Arenado's contract situation or the Cardinals trade rumors. He's a disaster again after a surprisingly strong start to the season. They would have to pay half of his remaining salary and I still wouldn't want him.

The old Mark A would have given up a lot for Suarez. We don't talk about this much, but has there ever been an owner in any sport who so thoroughly learned his or her lesson and completely changed? He used to be very short-sighted and impulsive, and now he's the exact opposite. And they've been a lot better overall under this version of him than they were in the Braun/Fielder/Weeks/Hardy/Hart era that was supposed to be so promising.

It would be hilarious if the Giants continued to slump and offered to pay just enough of Willy's salary to make the Brewers interested. His OPS is over 1.000 in July and he might have little choice but to transition to 3B soon.

Trading some prospect capital for Otto Lopez would be our best hope for getting someone who's actually pretty good. They don't normally make win-now moves, but he's still very young, so I could them making an exception for him.

[MickeyDavis]

Willy is "cheap" next year at $13.1 million. Then $155 million the next 5 years. I can't see the Giants paying enough to make it affordable for the Brewers.

[humanrefutation]

Defector put out a good blog about Bill Hall the other day. Made me smile remembering his Mother's Day Pink Bat Walk Off with his mom in attendance.

https://defector.com/bill-hall-put-it-together

[MickeyDavis]

Have they said if they are broadcasting the HR contest after the game on Friday? They're promoting the hell out of it, obviously they want tickets sold. But I can't go and would like to see it.

[ReginaldDwight]

Defector put out a good blog about Bill Hall the other day. Made me smile remembering his Mother's Day Pink Bat Walk Off with his mom in attendance.

https://defector.com/bill-hall-put-it-together

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[ReginaldDwight]

Don't even bother looking up Arenado's contract situation or the Cardinals trade rumors. He's a disaster again after a surprisingly strong start to the season. They would have to pay half of his remaining salary and I still wouldn't want him.

The old Mark A would have given up a lot for Suarez. We don't talk about this much, but has there ever been an owner in any sport who so thoroughly learned his or her lesson and completely changed? He used to be very short-sighted and impulsive, and now he's the exact opposite. And they've been a lot better overall under this version of him than they were in the Braun/Fielder/Weeks/Hardy/Hart era that was supposed to be so promising.

It would be hilarious if the Giants continued to slump and offered to pay just enough of Willy's salary to make the Brewers interested. His OPS is over 1.000 in July and he might have little choice but to transition to 3B soon.

Trading some prospect capital for Otto Lopez would be our best hope for getting someone who's actually pretty good. They don't normally make win-now moves, but he's still very young, so I could them making an exception for him.

Dont need Willy back. Clearly he wasn't that big of a loss.

[ReasonablySober]

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This must have been tough for noted Cardinals die-hard Will Leitch to write.

[Bucks4005]

Could see them going either way. Ortiz is clearly the only major weakness amongst the regulars, but even then he's been hitting the ball much better the last couple months and back to being a ~.720 OPS guy.

Yeah, on a 7 game hitting streak, maybe that’s the thing that gives him more confidence the rest of the year.

[coolhandluke121]

Don't even bother looking up Arenado's contract situation or the Cardinals trade rumors. He's a disaster again after a surprisingly strong start to the season. They would have to pay half of his remaining salary and I still wouldn't want him.

The old Mark A would have given up a lot for Suarez. We don't talk about this much, but has there ever been an owner in any sport who so thoroughly learned his or her lesson and completely changed? He used to be very short-sighted and impulsive, and now he's the exact opposite. And they've been a lot better overall under this version of him than they were in the Braun/Fielder/Weeks/Hardy/Hart era that was supposed to be so promising.

It would be hilarious if the Giants continued to slump and offered to pay just enough of Willy's salary to make the Brewers interested. His OPS is over 1.000 in July and he might have little choice but to transition to 3B soon.

Trading some prospect capital for Otto Lopez would be our best hope for getting someone who's actually pretty good. They don't normally make win-now moves, but he's still very young, so I could them making an exception for him.

Dont need Willy back. Clearly he wasn't that big of a loss.

This makes no sense. Brewers SS's have an OPS under .600. Of course Willy would make them better. The contract is the issue, just as it was when he left, but the idea that they shouldn't be looking at upgrades because they're already good is ludicrous. By your logic, they should dismiss any potential upgrades, whether former Brewers or not, by saying "we're 20 games over .500 so we don't need him."

Quite the contrary, the fact that they're 20 games over despite such a gaping hole at SS should make looking for upgrades that much simpler. You literally just have one glaring weakness, and Willy would help not only with the lineup's individual weakness (SS) but also with the only team-wide weakness (power) at the same time. And he could move to 3B in a year or two to make room for top prospects.

The Giants would have to have some serious buyer's remorse to make it palatable and the Brewers should not have to give up any legit prospects, but I don't think it should be dismissed entirely.

[Thunder Muscle]

I wonder what percentage the Brewers interest is in Adames and/or what dollar amount they would need the Giants to pay. If the Giants picked up the rest of this season and next year, it makes it like a 6Y / 130Y deal…I don’t think Brewers consider that. Pay another season and it becomes 6Y / 104M. That gets a little more interesting BUT would the Giants want to pay 52M + rest of this year to make him go away? Maybe, especially if get something decent in return. Best play is probably not pursue him bit certainly would be an interesting story.

[Bucks4005]

I wonder what percentage the Brewers interest is in Adames and/or what dollar amount they would need the Giants to pay. If the Giants picked up the rest of this season and next year, it makes it like a 6Y / 130Y deal…I don’t think Brewers consider that. Pay another season and it becomes 6Y / 104M. That gets a little more interesting BUT would the Giants want to pay 52M + rest of this year to make him go away? Maybe, especially if get something decent in return. Best play is probably not pursue him bit certainly would be an interesting story.

I doubt the Giants are actually looking to move Wily. He’s been heating up the last month I think. Basically, he’s on a hot streak. Which is basically how he played with us. Up down type deal.

Still on pace for 25 HRs this year. Which, from the SS spot, is still a very valuable thing, power from a spot that normally doesn’t bring power. So I’m sure the Giants aren’t looking just give him away at all.

[MikeIsGood]

What an odd conversation. This is not happening guys (thankfully).

[coolhandluke121]

What an odd conversation. This is not happening guys (thankfully).

It was kind of a throwaway comment because it would be too quick for the Giants to pay to get rid of him (the whole conversation started with "it would be funny if they gave up on him this soon"), but the assertion that it wouldn't make sense for the Brewers (if the Giants pitched in enough) is mind-blowing to me. He'd be a great addition to play SS for a few years and then move to 3B, where the Brewers have no real prospects, to make room for someone like Made. Ortiz could back up both positions, as he's looking more and more like an Hernan Perez clone at best, and Durbin could be a backup 2B/3B.

[Bucks4005]

What an odd conversation. This is not happening guys (thankfully).

It was kind of a throwaway comment because it would be too quick for the Giants to pay to get rid of him (the whole conversation started with "it would be funny if they gave up on him this soon"), but the assertion that it wouldn't make sense for the Brewers (if the Giants pitched in enough) is mind-blowing to me. He'd be a great addition to play SS for a few years and then move to 3B, where the Brewers have no real prospects, to make room for someone like Made. Ortiz could back up both positions, as he's looking more and more like an Hernan Perez clone at best, and Durbin could be a backup 2B/3B.

I mean, why treat Durbin as a backup? Why can’t you expect him to to stay a starter? I mean, if we’re fine starting Turamg offensively, why treat Durbin that differently? Offensively, I see, like,the exact same player. Defensively he’s been good. I mean, he’s basically a shorter Brice Tyrang right now at least, isn’t he? You can nitpick and say Turing is worse on defense, but it’s closer than you’d think IMO