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Re: Official Immanuel Quickley Thread 

Post#1221 » by StopitLeo » Tue Jul 22, 2025 1:43 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:Quickley shot 39% on pullup 3s last year and 38% the year before. The Raps really need this skill in their lineup. Catch and shoot 3s are important, but the ability to hit pullups open up so much offensively. His goal should be to attempt 10 3s per game and he should be able to hit close to 4 a game.


I think the catch & shoot is more important when you have a wing like Ingram who can initiate the offense. Quickley should get a lot of open looks from above the arc. If he knocks them down at a 40% clip that will be deadly.

Happy to have him pull-up on the break though.
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Post#1222 » by OakleyDokely » Tue Jul 22, 2025 1:53 pm

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OakleyDokely wrote:Quickley shot 39% on pullup 3s last year and 38% the year before. The Raps really need this skill in their lineup. Catch and shoot 3s are important, but the ability to hit pullups open up so much offensively. His goal should be to attempt 10 3s per game and he should be able to hit close to 4 a game.


I think the catch & shoot is more important when you have a wing like Ingram who can initiate the offense. Quickley should get a lot of open looks from above the arc. If he knocks them down at a 40% clip that will be deadly.

Happy to have him pull-up on the break though.


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22/23: 39%
23/24: 41%
24/25: 37%
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Post#1223 » by ATLTimekeeper » Tue Jul 22, 2025 1:59 pm

theonlyeastcoastrapsfan wrote:My issues with Quickly is the contract we gave him - and the fact that it prematurely, imo, cemented him as our lead guard - a role I'm still not sure he's suited for and concern that the contract means we don't get a good look at guys behind him that may actually be better options. Like fit wise - Davion Mitchell would have been a useful player for us, but we pretty much gave him away to let Shead get some minutes. Now when I see the Def potential of Shead and Chucky, I want some of that grit and POA def - but it's like we keep putting our own players in our own way. There's a few well regarded players on this team that I think we will be paying to actually reduce our winning potential - and if we could simply snap our fingers and just remove their spot in the rotation and contracts to let more complete players play - we'd be better off.


In terms of fit, IQ is the only good 3PT volume shooter in the starting line-up. If you replaced him with any of those other guys it would be tough, like first 30 games of last season tough.

I'm really skeptical of POA defense as anything more than an in-game tactic, especially smaller guards. The best players (the POAs) all get by the first line of D and play to the 2nd line of D. Tyrese and Shai were going off in the Finals, didn't matter that OKC had a collection of top 10 POA guard defenders. Just like Siakam feasting on OG the series before. As a tactic, to wear a good player down, it's perfectly acceptable but then you have to consider what you are sacrificing on offense. For instance, OKC can get away with Dort, Caruso and Wallace not doing much on offense because Shai can take 35% of the usage, and JDub can pick his spots for the rest. Since we don't have a Shai, we need to string together some B+ players. So, I think Quick fits just fine there.
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Post#1224 » by Los_29 » Tue Jul 22, 2025 3:00 pm

theonlyeastcoastrapsfan wrote:My issues with Quickly is the contract we gave him - and the fact that it prematurely, imo, cemented him as our lead guard - a role I'm still not sure he's suited for and concern that the contract means we don't get a good look at guys behind him that may actually be better options. Like fit wise - Davion Mitchell would have been a useful player for us, but we pretty much gave him away to let Shead get some minutes. Now when I see the Def potential of Shead and Chucky, I want some of that grit and POA def - but it's like we keep putting our own players in our own way. There's a few well regarded players on this team that I think we will be paying to actually reduce our winning potential - and if we could simply snap our fingers and just remove their spot in the rotation and contracts to let more complete players play - we'd be better off.


Davion Mitchell is fighting just to carve out a role in this league. We also don’t know if Shead can stay in this league. Chucky is an undrafted guy.

Giving opportunities to guys like this are a good way to always stay bad. Shead is in a great spot. He will have an opportunity to have a backup role here. Minutes will be there for him. But if we are giving him starter minutes then the only thing we will be looking forward to is the lottery.

I think POA is getting highly overrated on here. These guys are just too good offensively. Davion Mitchell’s POA defense did nothing to slow down Cleveland. Pacers had no problem carving up the Knicks. A diversified skillset is more important.
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Post#1225 » by Tripod » Tue Jul 22, 2025 3:32 pm

Crazy talk worrying about giving Davion, Shead and Chucky an opportunity over a clearly way better player.

Davion was given away TO the Raps along with compensation. We just chose Shead as a cheaper backup PG because we have a much superior guy in IQ.

Davion shot 42, 32 and 36% for Sac and 36 for Raps from 3. Fair to say he won't continue shooting 45% from 3 like he did in Miami.
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Post#1226 » by Brinbe » Tue Jul 22, 2025 4:07 pm

Ingram will be a big help in terms of freeing IQ up to play a bit more off-ball and benefit from being a finisher instead of a creator. Also think something that shouldn't be discounted is that 1) he played with way better screeners in NY when he had the likes of Randle/Robinson/Hartenstein even Toppin/RJ/Hart to give him space to operate and get a step on his man. He's only really got Yak here as well as RJ and otherwise is/was expected to just beat his man off-the-dribble a lot of the time, which isn't totally a strength of his, though he can do it against more mid-tier opposition. 2) he had better outlets to kick out to with Grimes, RJ, Hart, Randle, etc. Here so far he's had RJ and that's about it. At the very least he'll now have Ingram as a high-level option now.

You can really see it here.







Also think having loads of better defenders will allow him to also not have to take the toughest POA assignments where he can tend to be overmatched physically.

I just think having a consistent run of games and quality teammates will naturally lift his game. And that will go for a lot of guys who seemingly have question marks hovering over there. Rising tide will lift all boats sort of situation. Will he be totally live up to his contract? I don't know about that, that's a high threshold, but he should at least be a positive contributor.
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Post#1227 » by YogurtProducer » Tue Jul 22, 2025 4:25 pm

theonlyeastcoastrapsfan wrote: There's a few well regarded players on this team that I think we will be paying to actually reduce our winning potential - and if we could simply snap our fingers and just remove their spot in the rotation and contracts to let more complete players play - we'd be better off.

Such as who?
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Post#1228 » by MEDIC » Tue Jul 22, 2025 4:56 pm

StopitLeo wrote:
OakleyDokely wrote:Quickley shot 39% on pullup 3s last year and 38% the year before. The Raps really need this skill in their lineup. Catch and shoot 3s are important, but the ability to hit pullups open up so much offensively. His goal should be to attempt 10 3s per game and he should be able to hit close to 4 a game.


I think the catch & shoot is more important when you have a wing like Ingram who can initiate the offense. Quickley should get a lot of open looks from above the arc. If he knocks them down at a 40% clip that will be deadly.

Happy to have him pull-up on the break though.


I get what you are saying. Pull up 3's are important if you are a star player.

When your star scorers are guys who can get in the paint & pass the ball, then it is really important to have high calibre catch and shoot role players all around them.
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Post#1229 » by MEDIC » Tue Jul 22, 2025 5:06 pm

Brinbe wrote:Ingram will be a big help in terms of freeing IQ up to play a bit more off-ball and benefit from being a finisher instead of a creator. Also think something that shouldn't be discounted is that 1) he played with way better screeners in NY when he had the likes of Randle/Robinson/Hartenstein even Toppin/RJ/Hart to give him space to operate and get a step on his man. He's only really got Yak here as well as RJ and otherwise is/was expected to just beat his man off-the-dribble a lot of the time, which isn't totally a strength of his, though he can do it against more mid-tier opposition. 2) he had better outlets to kick out to with Grimes, RJ, Hart, Randle, etc. Here so far he's had RJ and that's about it. At the very least he'll now have Ingram as a high-level option now.

You can really see it here.







Also think having loads of better defenders will allow him to also not have to take the toughest POA assignments where he can tend to be overmatched physically.

I just think having a consistent run of games and quality teammates will naturally lift his game. And that will go for a lot of guys who seemingly have question marks hovering over there. Rising tide will lift all boats sort of situation. Will he be totally live up to his contract? I don't know about that, that's a high threshold, but he should at least be a positive contributor.



That's a great point. I think Quickley will have the most to gain playing with BI. Quick isn't a true on ball creator. He seems to excel off the ball more than he does on the ball.

I could also see RJ & Poeltl getting some easier buckets.

Scottie......I am not so sure. They need to figure out how to maximize production in that partnership.
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Post#1230 » by Brinbe » Tue Jul 22, 2025 6:41 pm

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Brinbe wrote:Ingram will be a big help in terms of freeing IQ up to play a bit more off-ball and benefit from being a finisher instead of a creator. Also think something that shouldn't be discounted is that 1) he played with way better screeners in NY when he had the likes of Randle/Robinson/Hartenstein even Toppin/RJ/Hart to give him space to operate and get a step on his man. He's only really got Yak here as well as RJ and otherwise is/was expected to just beat his man off-the-dribble a lot of the time, which isn't totally a strength of his, though he can do it against more mid-tier opposition. 2) he had better outlets to kick out to with Grimes, RJ, Hart, Randle, etc. Here so far he's had RJ and that's about it. At the very least he'll now have Ingram as a high-level option now.

You can really see it here.







Also think having loads of better defenders will allow him to also not have to take the toughest POA assignments where he can tend to be overmatched physically.

I just think having a consistent run of games and quality teammates will naturally lift his game. And that will go for a lot of guys who seemingly have question marks hovering over there. Rising tide will lift all boats sort of situation. Will he be totally live up to his contract? I don't know about that, that's a high threshold, but he should at least be a positive contributor.



That's a great point. I think Quickley will have the most to gain playing with BI. Quick isn't a true on ball creator. He seems to excel off the ball more than he does on the ball.

I could also see RJ & Poeltl getting some easier buckets.

Scottie......I am not so sure. They need to figure out how to maximize production in that partnership.

Yes, exactly. And I think that's where BI's underrated playmaking ability will show up quite a lot. His ability to comfortably operate and score in the mid-range will solve a lot of spacing issues.

As for Scottie, I don't want to muddy things up too much since this is the IQ thread, but this is a bit of a nerdy analogy but follow me here. I think last year was an obvious developmental year so they overloaded Scottie and tasked him with doing a lot. Akin to DBZ where they would do a lot of gravity training to get stronger.



Of course we see a lot of actual training done like this but I think it's not dissimilar to what they did with Pascal as well as OG in terms of giving them hard reps to broaden their skillset. And so with Scottie last season.

So I believe that Scottie, when cast back into a role where he's not necessarily expected to be number one or play with a mis-matched lineup, will absolutely thrive thanks to that experience. Now maybe that'll be a disappointment because he's not fulfilling certain expectations in terms of being a 1A guy, but I think it'll still be fruitful in terms of getting him where he needs to go in the end.

The competiton wasn't the strongest, but we did see some of that at the end of the year when he was healthier.



And in terms of a partnership with IQ, just being able to be a better/more effective screener in an off and on-ball capacity for IQ (and others) as well as getting back to being a roller and rim runner at times will be a huge benefit to their potential chemistry. There's definitely a way to make it work where they're setting each other up for good looks, which is the ideal.
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Post#1231 » by mihaic » Tue Jul 22, 2025 7:14 pm

Unless we get a very good offer for either IQ or RJ, the coaches should see if the addition of Ingram actually makes these 2 guys better. In my opinion they are not the problem, the problem on offense is Yak and Scottie midrange and 3%. And Yak had a better 3% than Scottie (ok he only took 3 shots, but still). Because of those 2 the defense may pack the paint somewhat. Perhaps BI and IQ will make them pay if Tha strategy is employed.
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Post#1232 » by theonlyeastcoastrapsfan » Tue Jul 22, 2025 11:51 pm

I think IQ’s best role with us may be at the 1 - but to me the jury is still out on that or the 2 or as true 6th man scorer off the bench like he was in NY. In the time we’ve had with him I’ve not seen enough to tell- but my point is we paid him like we were sure. That’s not on him. But the other sizeable contracts we have and their positions make it tough to get a look at that.

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Shead, Hepburn, Martin
IQ, Walter,
Ingram,CMB, Battle
Barnes, Mogbo
Poetl, SM, Chomche

This to me seems could potentially be decent - but I think we’re gonna force 50+ min of RJ and Grady at the expense of the Rooks and sophomores.

Not to be too harsh but if you’re the kinda of player that will be hunted defensively - you better be really good offensively and efficient to make up for it.
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Post#1233 » by Los_29 » Wed Jul 23, 2025 5:56 am

theonlyeastcoastrapsfan wrote:I think IQ’s best role with us may be at the 1 - but to me the jury is still out on that or the 2 or as true 6th man scorer off the bench like he was in NY. In the time we’ve had with him I’ve not seen enough to tell- but my point is we paid him like we were sure. That’s not on him. But the other sizeable contracts we have and their positions make it tough to get a look at that.

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Shead, Hepburn, Martin
IQ, Walter,
Ingram,CMB, Battle
Barnes, Mogbo
Poetl, SM, Chomche

This to me seems could potentially be decent - but I think we’re gonna force 50+ min of RJ and Grady at the expense of the Rooks and sophomores.

Not to be too harsh but if you’re the kinda of player that will be hunted defensively - you better be really good offensively and efficient to make up for it.


Gradey is just 22 years old. Drafted in 2023. I don’t like RJ’s fit here but we have a good situation where guys are going to be battling for minutes.

There are bad defenders that play substantial minutes in the NBA, including in the most meaningful games.

Shead is very bad offensively and he would be disrespected offensively just like Mogbo. Gradey is far more useful than both those guys because he’s respected offensively and that can help open things up for others. Hepburn and Martin aren’t ready and will spend a lot of time in the G-League.
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Post#1234 » by Yeezus_ » Wed Jul 23, 2025 5:13 pm

theonlyeastcoastrapsfan wrote:I think IQ’s best role with us may be at the 1 - but to me the jury is still out on that or the 2 or as true 6th man scorer off the bench like he was in NY. In the time we’ve had with him I’ve not seen enough to tell- but my point is we paid him like we were sure. That’s not on him. But the other sizeable contracts we have and their positions make it tough to get a look at that.

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Shead, Hepburn, Martin
IQ, Walter,
Ingram,CMB, Battle
Barnes, Mogbo
Poetl, SM, Chomche

This to me seems could potentially be decent - but I think we’re gonna force 50+ min of RJ and Grady at the expense of the Rooks and sophomores.

Not to be too harsh but if you’re the kinda of player that will be hunted defensively - you better be really good offensively and efficient to make up for it.

No team serious about winning is starting Shead. Hes not good right now and has no reason to start, it makes no sense. Just because we have rookies and sophomores, it doesn’t mean they need minutes right now. Dick is younger than some of them. RJ, whos game I dont love, also should be playing over them.
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Post#1235 » by Johnny Bball » Wed Jul 23, 2025 5:24 pm

Yeezus_ wrote:
theonlyeastcoastrapsfan wrote:I think IQ’s best role with us may be at the 1 - but to me the jury is still out on that or the 2 or as true 6th man scorer off the bench like he was in NY. In the time we’ve had with him I’ve not seen enough to tell- but my point is we paid him like we were sure. That’s not on him. But the other sizeable contracts we have and their positions make it tough to get a look at that.

Like
Shead, Hepburn, Martin
IQ, Walter,
Ingram,CMB, Battle
Barnes, Mogbo
Poetl, SM, Chomche

This to me seems could potentially be decent - but I think we’re gonna force 50+ min of RJ and Grady at the expense of the Rooks and sophomores.

Not to be too harsh but if you’re the kinda of player that will be hunted defensively - you better be really good offensively and efficient to make up for it.

No team serious about winning is starting Shead. Hes not good right now and has no reason to start, it makes no sense. Just because we have rookies and sophomores, it doesn’t mean they need minutes right now. Dick is younger than some of them. RJ, whos game I dont love, also should be playing over them.


Hepburn and Martin are not getting backup minutes after november and are going to the G, IMO. CMB... not convinced yet, but seems to me the G league is the best place for him too so far.

This team isn't quite ready yet anyway. And they aren't just going to let Grady rot on the bench.
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Post#1236 » by TheGeneral99 » Wed Jul 23, 2025 5:42 pm

Johnny Bball wrote:
Yeezus_ wrote:
theonlyeastcoastrapsfan wrote:I think IQ’s best role with us may be at the 1 - but to me the jury is still out on that or the 2 or as true 6th man scorer off the bench like he was in NY. In the time we’ve had with him I’ve not seen enough to tell- but my point is we paid him like we were sure. That’s not on him. But the other sizeable contracts we have and their positions make it tough to get a look at that.

Like
Shead, Hepburn, Martin
IQ, Walter,
Ingram,CMB, Battle
Barnes, Mogbo
Poetl, SM, Chomche

This to me seems could potentially be decent - but I think we’re gonna force 50+ min of RJ and Grady at the expense of the Rooks and sophomores.

Not to be too harsh but if you’re the kinda of player that will be hunted defensively - you better be really good offensively and efficient to make up for it.

No team serious about winning is starting Shead. Hes not good right now and has no reason to start, it makes no sense. Just because we have rookies and sophomores, it doesn’t mean they need minutes right now. Dick is younger than some of them. RJ, whos game I dont love, also should be playing over them.


Hepburn and Martin are not getting backup minutes after november and are going to the G, IMO. CMB... not convinced yet, but seems to me the G league is the best place for him too so far.

This team isn't quite ready yet anyway. And they aren't just going to let Grady rot on the bench.


People also forget that Gradey looked really good offensively to start the season before having injuries. He also got shut down to the end season while we were tanking.

In October he averaged 19ppg on 49%fg and 34%3fg and in January he averaged 17ppg on 41%fg and 36%3fg.

He just needs to get his efficiency up and average closer to 40% from 3 and he's a good rotation player off the bench.
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Post#1237 » by theonlyeastcoastrapsfan » Wed Jul 23, 2025 5:58 pm

When I think our SL I think the 3 most important pieces based on their skill sets and lack of others to replace them would be

Ingram
Barnes
Peoltl

When I think of how best to compliment that, It may very likely be with IQ at the one spot - but I don't think it's with IQ at the one and RJ at the 2. In fact I'm again not even sure that IQ's best position with us wouldn't be as the 2 with a good defensive PG who could get by the first level of defense and force rotations. I look at IQ as shooter more than anything else. If we think that's possible that RJ's not the best fit for the SL - I guess I just don't like seeing the tail wag the dog and have him just thrown in there because once upon a time he thought he was a star. I get that with opportunity he can score 20 - can he help us win? Can we let other team overpay guys, for empty production. Why do we still make the Raps have to overpay argument when we don't have competition to sign them and in RJ's case they're from here. I think we're finding situations that make it disadvantage because it's like the team has some extra need to also pump the tires for a local player. I wouldn't say we're getting a discount on RJ, I'd love to think they could get a fair contract on his next deal, but as long we permit him the chance to cos-play as a fringe all star, that's gonna be unlikely, imo.
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Post#1238 » by ATLTimekeeper » Wed Jul 23, 2025 6:17 pm

RJ started on winning teams at a younger age, so I don't see why that can't continue here. People rag on his defense, but he played the 2nd most minutes on the 3rd best defense in 2021. That team wasn't loaded with great defenders like we have.
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Post#1239 » by tsherkin » Wed Jul 23, 2025 7:35 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:RJ started on winning teams at a younger age, so I don't see why that can't continue here.


I think the concern is more centered around "is he worth keeping or are we just going to be tolerating him?"

In 2021, for example, he was pretty bad as a scoring weapon. New York killed transition (they were dead-last in pace), were a strong defensive rebounding team and had some pretty strong rim defense. They were also 23rd on offense, and he really wasn't a strong defender in that environment, so much as covered up.

We can tolerate RJ, but we need a pretty significant shift from him compared to his career norms and what we saw this past season on offense for him to be VALUABLE to us beyond the ability to eat minutes. We'll have to see how he performs and how Darko chooses to deploy him with the new roster context before making much in the way of judgement.
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Post#1240 » by ATLTimekeeper » Wed Jul 23, 2025 8:10 pm

tsherkin wrote:
ATLTimekeeper wrote:RJ started on winning teams at a younger age, so I don't see why that can't continue here.


I think the concern is more centered around "is he worth keeping or are we just going to be tolerating him?"

In 2021, for example, he was pretty bad as a scoring weapon. New York killed transition (they were dead-last in pace), were a strong defensive rebounding team and had some pretty strong rim defense. They were also 23rd on offense, and he really wasn't a strong defender in that environment, so much as covered up.

We can tolerate RJ, but we need a pretty significant shift from him compared to his career norms and what we saw this past season on offense for him to be VALUABLE to us beyond the ability to eat minutes. We'll have to see how he performs and how Darko chooses to deploy him with the new roster context before making much in the way of judgement.


in 2021, he had the best on/off on offense and wasn't a disastrous negative on defense. The point is that you can win with him, and play defense with him as an important player. We certainly shouldn't judge him by a couple of seasons where the team was intending to lose the whole time and would have to sit him in order to lose games.

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