Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning

[Klomp]

Fox seems like one of those guys where you develop a drastically different opinion of him when he's on your team. Like I always thought of him as a scoring point guard, but still a point guard. But I was talking to Kings fans that were adament that he's a shooting guard. So it's possible that we'd get him in here and realize that his net impact isn't that much different from what Randle brings - a scorer who gets assists off of kickouts and dumpoffs, but not really what you'd call a great playmaker.

I think some people would still be surprised to learn that there are maybe 10 point guards in the entire league......and half of them are barely rotation-worthy.

[moss_is_1]

This kind of brings up an interesting question and I'm wondering what people's answers would be, what point guard in the league right now would be the equivalent to Julius Randle as far as trade value? Essentially speaking, who is his equivalent at the point guard position.

Derrick White

Similar age, salary, performace

White is worth a lot more than Randle, IMO.

[Klomp]

As previously mentioned, the Lakers held conversations with the Grizzlies regarding Caldwell-Pope when Memphis first acquired him. Los Angeles also reached out to the Minnesota Timberwolves about Donte DiVincenzo's availability, but the Wolves were not interested at all, sources said.

https://clutchpoints.com/nba/nba-stories/siegels-scoop-nba-intel-chris-paul-bradley-beal-marcus-smart-deals

[Norseman79]

As previously mentioned, the Lakers held conversations with the Grizzlies regarding Caldwell-Pope when Memphis first acquired him. Los Angeles also reached out to the Minnesota Timberwolves about Donte DiVincenzo's availability, but the Wolves were not interested at all, sources said.

https://clutchpoints.com/nba/nba-stories/siegels-scoop-nba-intel-chris-paul-bradley-beal-marcus-smart-deals

The Lakers had nothing to offer worth DD

[Klomp]

As previously mentioned, the Lakers held conversations with the Grizzlies regarding Caldwell-Pope when Memphis first acquired him. Los Angeles also reached out to the Minnesota Timberwolves about Donte DiVincenzo's availability, but the Wolves were not interested at all, sources said.

https://clutchpoints.com/nba/nba-stories/siegels-scoop-nba-intel-chris-paul-bradley-beal-marcus-smart-deals

The Lakers had nothing to offer worth DD

Which is why we weren't interested....

Salary-wise, all they could really offer was Vanderbilt or Vincent. I wonder if they tried to dangle Knecht possibly, which is the closest thing to plausibility but still not great.

[winforlose]

As previously mentioned, the Lakers held conversations with the Grizzlies regarding Caldwell-Pope when Memphis first acquired him. Los Angeles also reached out to the Minnesota Timberwolves about Donte DiVincenzo's availability, but the Wolves were not interested at all, sources said.

https://clutchpoints.com/nba/nba-stories/siegels-scoop-nba-intel-chris-paul-bradley-beal-marcus-smart-deals

The Lakers had nothing to offer worth DD

Which is why we weren't interested....

Salary-wise, all they could really offer was Vanderbilt or Vincent. I wonder if they tried to dangle Knecht possibly, which is the closest thing to plausibility but still not great.

Knecht doesn’t really have value right now. His shooting needs to be good for a season to hold a sniper role. His defense needs to be better to be a 3&D. Beyond that I don’t really see a professional role for him.

[BlacJacMac]

As previously mentioned, the Lakers held conversations with the Grizzlies regarding Caldwell-Pope when Memphis first acquired him. Los Angeles also reached out to the Minnesota Timberwolves about Donte DiVincenzo's availability, but the Wolves were not interested at all, sources said.

https://clutchpoints.com/nba/nba-stories/siegels-scoop-nba-intel-chris-paul-bradley-beal-marcus-smart-deals

The Lakers had nothing to offer worth DD

Which is why we weren't interested....

Salary-wise, all they could really offer was Vanderbilt or Vincent. I wonder if they tried to dangle Knecht possibly, which is the closest thing to plausibility but still not great.

Probably.

But man, did he tank his trade value this summer.

6 Games. 28 MPG. 11.7 PPG (32/24/64), 4.8 RPG, 1.3 APG, 1.5 TO.

[jpatrick]

The Lakers had nothing to offer worth DD

Which is why we weren't interested....

Salary-wise, all they could really offer was Vanderbilt or Vincent. I wonder if they tried to dangle Knecht possibly, which is the closest thing to plausibility but still not great.

Probably.

But man, did he tank his trade value this summer.

6 Games. 28 MPG. 11.7 PPG (32/24/64), 4.8 RPG, 1.3 APG, 1.5 TO.

He put up numbers last year but for being an older rookie, he was terrible as far as winning basketball. Terrible defense. Terrible BBIQ. There is a reason the Lakers tried to offload him as just a part of the Mark Williams trade.

[KGdaBom]

As previously mentioned, the Lakers held conversations with the Grizzlies regarding Caldwell-Pope when Memphis first acquired him. Los Angeles also reached out to the Minnesota Timberwolves about Donte DiVincenzo's availability, but the Wolves were not interested at all, sources said.

https://clutchpoints.com/nba/nba-stories/siegels-scoop-nba-intel-chris-paul-bradley-beal-marcus-smart-deals

As we should not be unless something most excellent comes along.

[cmoss84]

DDV, RD, and Mike
for the services of Derrick White.

White. Ant. Jaden. Randle. Rudy.
Vet PG FA/Clark/TSJ/Naz/JB

[winforlose]

DDV, RD, and Mike
for the services of Derrick White.

White. Ant. Jaden. Randle. Rudy.
Vet PG FA/TSJ/Naz/JB

Money fails regardless of anything else. Boston is a 2nd apron team, and needs to take back more money. Plus, we become hard capped needing to add 3 contracts. That part would be quite tough to navigate as well.

[cmoss84]

DDV, RD, and Mike
for the services of Derrick White.

White. Ant. Jaden. Randle. Rudy.
Vet PG FA/TSJ/Naz/JB

Money fails regardless of anything else. Boston is a 2nd apron team, and needs to take back more money. Plus, we become hard capped needing to add 3 contracts. That part would be quite tough to navigate as well.

Thanks...this was according to spotrac as a single transaction.

[winforlose]

DDV, RD, and Mike
for the services of Derrick White.

White. Ant. Jaden. Randle. Rudy.
Vet PG FA/TSJ/Naz/JB

Money fails regardless of anything else. Boston is a 2nd apron team, and needs to take back more money. Plus, we become hard capped needing to add 3 contracts. That part would be quite tough to navigate as well.

Thanks...this was according to spotrac as a single transaction.

Yeah, I ran it through spotrac as one transaction. Also, Boston cannot take back more salary no matter what. Even if they made cut costing moves they will still be a first apron team. I just don’t know how two first apron teams could make a trade like this, the math is very complicated and almost demands a third team with space.

[cmoss84]

Money fails regardless of anything else. Boston is a 2nd apron team, and needs to take back more money. Plus, we become hard capped needing to add 3 contracts. That part would be quite tough to navigate as well.

Thanks...this was according to spotrac as a single transaction.

Yeah, I ran it through spotrac as one transaction. Also, Boston cannot take back more salary no matter what. Even if they made cut costing moves they will still be a first apron team. I just don’t know how two first apron teams could make a trade like this, the math is very complicated and almost demands a third team with space.

Concur.
Been using Detroit a lot as a 3rd team.

[cmoss84]

Late night stoner trade on the west coast.
Rudy and Miller
for
Vucevic and White

JB will be just fine without Rudy.

[moss_is_1]

Late night stoner trade on the west coast.
Rudy and Miller
for
Vucevic and White

JB will be just fine without Rudy.

No. Vucevic had a good year last year but hes still one of the worst defensive anchors. I would bet on him shooting similar to the years prior than how well he shot last season.

Have 0 interest in paying White next season either.

[TimberKat]

Late night stoner trade on the west coast.
Rudy and Miller
for
Vucevic and White

JB will be just fine without Rudy.

I like to see a better PG than White on that return. Also see very bad defense with Vucevic, Randle, and Naz as bigs.

JB isn't ready for any meaningful minutes in 2025-26. We go through this rookie hype every year. Last year was Dilly. I am sure we feel the same way when Rider, Love, Flynn, Rubio, and Johnson played their first summer league session. He is too raw that I will be happy if could play 5 minutes a game.

[cmoss84]

FWIW Vucevic has a 7'5" wingspan. But I get it.

[BlacJacMac]

FWIW Vucevic has a 7'5" wingspan. But I get it.

Size has never been his problem.

[cmoss84]

Alright. Last one.. until tonight. File this one under who the bleep knows what Utah is doing and we help them tank.
RD and Miller
for
Collier and Sensabaugh