The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #4 Free Agency Opens!

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[BobbieL]

I was thinking - why the Suns are not chasing Jrue Holiday?
He clearly wants out of Portland.

Because they don't want Grayson and Royce.

I think any trade you make that involves both Royce and Allen going out would be a worse contract coming back. At least now, you have two smaller contracts that possibly you can deal individually.

Ishbia did the Beal buyout/stretch to get some roster flexibility and a bunch of fans are just jonesing to make a trade to make a trade. I am not against trading Royce and Allen in a trade but if the player coming back is Jerami Grant, forget that.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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This is a perfect example of why I mentioned awhile back that an Allen/ CLE 1st trade for Williams was more realistic than people probably expected, because Knechts' value is/ was not as premium as many thought.

And M Williams definitely wasn't either considering his durability concerns, limited skillset and looming extension.

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[schnakenpopanz]

Yeah let the cheap PR begin and fool you....

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45790173/all-30-nba-teams-roster-mistakes-2020
I would put the Suns first, by a huge margin. And it is foolish to trust the person who is responsible for that to do any better.

[sunsbum]

That draft video goes to show some of the clowns on this board have literally zero idea of what they are spewing. The suns planned to have Williams all along before they knew maluach was an option. So for the ruderless ship without a plan gang….Oops!

[SkyBill40]

That draft video goes to show some of the clowns on this board have literally zero idea of what they are spewing. The suns planned to have Williams all along before they knew maluach was an option. So for the ruderless ship without a plan gang….Oops!

Whatever be the case, it doesn't guarantee anything. Williams is still an injury prone big and while we currently have the luxury of a positional surplus, that doesn't mean we're going to succeed. Maluach fell into our laps and for that, despite the naysayers, we are probably better off for it. Time will tell but all this bad talk about Maluach should be fuel to fire his engine to improvement.

I still don't have that much faith in the front office. Quit acting like Sam Presti is in there guiding us to the promised land. Just remember that Ishbia is still omnipresent and ready to mess it all up once again.

[Saberestar]

That draft video goes to show some of the clowns on this board have literally zero idea of what they are spewing. The suns planned to have Williams all along before they knew maluach was an option. So for the ruderless ship without a plan gang….Oops!

Whatever be the case, it doesn't guarantee anything. Williams is still an injury prone big and while we currently have the luxury of a positional surplus, that doesn't mean we're going to succeed. Maluach fell into our laps and for that, despite the naysayers, we are probably better off for it. Time will tell but all this bad talk about Maluach should be fuel to fire his engine to improvement.

I still don't have that much faith in the front office. Quit acting like Sam Presti is in there guiding us to the promised land. Just remember that Ishbia is still omnipresent and ready to mess it all up once again.

Lol, there isn't bad talk about Maluach. It's just a few fans around here who expected a 18yo C to average 22/12/3 in Summer League.

Look at Demim (#8) stats. Look at Murray-Boles (#9) stats. And so many more like them averaging meh numbers and looking like ROOKIES in Summer League. Are you worried about them? Of course not...so you can say the same about Maluach.

[SkyBill40]

That draft video goes to show some of the clowns on this board have literally zero idea of what they are spewing. The suns planned to have Williams all along before they knew maluach was an option. So for the ruderless ship without a plan gang….Oops!

Whatever be the case, it doesn't guarantee anything. Williams is still an injury prone big and while we currently have the luxury of a positional surplus, that doesn't mean we're going to succeed. Maluach fell into our laps and for that, despite the naysayers, we are probably better off for it. Time will tell but all this bad talk about Maluach should be fuel to fire his engine to improvement.

I still don't have that much faith in the front office. Quit acting like Sam Presti is in there guiding us to the promised land. Just remember that Ishbia is still omnipresent and ready to mess it all up once again.

Lol, there isn't bad talk about Maluach. It's just a few fans around here who expected a 18yo C to average 22/12/3 in Summer League.

Look at Demim (#8) stats. Look at Murray-Boles (#9) stats. And so many more like them averaging meh numbers and looking like ROOKIES in Summer League. Are you worried about them? Of course not...so you can say the same about Maluach.

The "bad talk" remark was more to the point of another poster's quip about some stories having been written about Maluach's performance in SL and how he could turn into a draft nightmare. Personally I don't think that to be the case at all and he'll certainly come around. I mean... if we want to talk about regret in general, we can always go the route of Jackson/Chriss/Bender or a few others that just didn't measure up. But they, like Maluach, made it through SL and cut their teeth in the regular season. He needs to at least get that far before he can be judged and even when that happens, he's still young and has only been playing organized basketball for 5-6 years.

[handsome salary]

Yeah let the cheap PR begin and fool you....

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45790173/all-30-nba-teams-roster-mistakes-2020
I would put the Suns first, by a huge margin. And it is foolish to trust the person who is responsible for that to do any better.

What about also trading away their only ever number one draft pick Ayton ( resigned for the max a year before) with defensive stud Camara for Nurkic (alienated and traded after one season) and another SG Allen. Plus 4 coaches in 4 seasons. Is that a record?

You really can't over emphasize the terrible terrible moves this current team has made.

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Phoenix Suns

On the offseason moves: “We had a plan. It didn’t work. That meant resetting. We think that given the challenges we had, we did well to reset in the way we did. We got great value in our trades. We now have the flexibility to do more than we’ve been able to do over the last couple of years. It’s nice to have the handcuffs off, if you will,” a Suns front office executive said.

On trading Kevin Durant: “When it became clear that was a direction we could do, we set a goal of not just going with a package of all young players and picks. We want to compete. We feel like getting Dillon (Brooks) and Jalen (Green), along with Khaman (Maluach) in that deal gives us a great balance of veterans, mid-career players and a young big man to help us get after it right away,” a Suns front office executive said.

On extending Devin Booker: “That’s our guy. He wants to be a forever Sun. We want that too. We’re well on our way to making it happen,” a Suns front office executive said.

On the team’s roster balance: “Still have some work to do. We’ve got some overlap, but it’s not in bad areas. We’ve got a bunch of centers who are going to push each other every single day. We’ve got guards and wings who will do the same. I’m not saying we’re done, but if this was the group we hit camp with, we feel confident that Jordan (Ott) and his staff can make it work,” a Suns front office executive said.

On the team’s younger players: “We felt like last year’s draft class was really good. Ryan (Dunn) can be a top-tier wing/forward defender. Oso (Ighodaro) just knows how to play,” a Suns coach said. “This year, we hit a homerun. Khaman (Maluach) is going to be a top starting center before the end of his rookie deal. Everything in his profile speaks to how quickly he improves.

Rasheer (Fleming) could play right away. Getting him in the second round was huge for us. And Koby Brea is on a two-way, but we think he was the best pure shooter in the draft. The best part, these guys are part of the identity we want to build now. A bunch of workers who defend and get after it every day.”

[SkyBill40]

Yeah let the cheap PR begin and fool you....

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45790173/all-30-nba-teams-roster-mistakes-2020
I would put the Suns first, by a huge margin. And it is foolish to trust the person who is responsible for that to do any better.

What about also trading away their only ever number one draft pick Ayton ( resigned for the max a year before) with defensive stud Camara for Nurkic (alienated and traded after one season) and another SG Allen. Plus 4 coaches in 4 seasons. Is that a record?

You really can't over emphasize the terrible terrible moves this current team has made.

I have a thread on the GB which discusses the story you mentioned.

[TeamTragic]

Some people just can't leave the past behind. Better for your health if you move on.

[phnart]

I go away for a few days to play some punk rock shows in California and all this happens...

ha.

Nothing happened. That's not a bad thing. Training camp won't get here soon enough. Let's see what we've got with these young dudes and hopefully they grow this season while taking a few lumps. The Forever Sun might just blossom...or not, but either way, he's the guy with the big shoulders this year and maybe he can get a little help from his new Robin.

At very least, DIllon Brooks is going to punch someone at some point and Grayson Allen is going to have his back. That will be interesting to watch.

I'm just hoping for "interesting" again. I don't want to watch the type of Suns basketball we got for the last two years ever again.

[lilfishi22]

That draft video goes to show some of the clowns on this board have literally zero idea of what they are spewing. The suns planned to have Williams all along before they knew maluach was an option. So for the ruderless ship without a plan gang….Oops!

Whatever be the case, it doesn't guarantee anything. Williams is still an injury prone big and while we currently have the luxury of a positional surplus, that doesn't mean we're going to succeed. Maluach fell into our laps and for that, despite the naysayers, we are probably better off for it. Time will tell but all this bad talk about Maluach should be fuel to fire his engine to improvement.

I still don't have that much faith in the front office. Quit acting like Sam Presti is in there guiding us to the promised land. Just remember that Ishbia is still omnipresent and ready to mess it all up once again.

Exactly. I'd have far fewer gripes about the deal if Mark Williams regularly played more than 40 something games a year. My main gripe has been our use of assets to accomplish the moves on draft night.

[Sunsdeuce]

That draft video goes to show some of the clowns on this board have literally zero idea of what they are spewing. The suns planned to have Williams all along before they knew maluach was an option. So for the ruderless ship without a plan gang….Oops!

Whatever be the case, it doesn't guarantee anything. Williams is still an injury prone big and while we currently have the luxury of a positional surplus, that doesn't mean we're going to succeed. Maluach fell into our laps and for that, despite the naysayers, we are probably better off for it. Time will tell but all this bad talk about Maluach should be fuel to fire his engine to improvement.

I still don't have that much faith in the front office. Quit acting like Sam Presti is in there guiding us to the promised land. Just remember that Ishbia is still omnipresent and ready to mess it all up once again.

Exactly. I'd have far fewer gripes about the deal if Mark Williams regularly played more than 40 something games a year. My main gripe has been our use of assets to accomplish the moves on draft night.

Exactly. Was not impressed how they maneuvered the draft to get players. This is going to be a two edge sword. Either these guys explode and become outstanding players, and this front office gonna be praised or they are going to bust hard and that draft night is going to considered one of the worst draft nights in suns history because of not only the poor selections but also how they got to those selections.

Time is undefeated. We shall see

[bigfoot]

Whatever be the case, it doesn't guarantee anything. Williams is still an injury prone big and while we currently have the luxury of a positional surplus, that doesn't mean we're going to succeed. Maluach fell into our laps and for that, despite the naysayers, we are probably better off for it. Time will tell but all this bad talk about Maluach should be fuel to fire his engine to improvement.

I still don't have that much faith in the front office. Quit acting like Sam Presti is in there guiding us to the promised land. Just remember that Ishbia is still omnipresent and ready to mess it all up once again.

Exactly. I'd have far fewer gripes about the deal if Mark Williams regularly played more than 40 something games a year. My main gripe has been our use of assets to accomplish the moves on draft night.

Exactly. Was not impressed how they maneuvered the draft to get players. This is going to be a two edge sword. Either these guys explode and become outstanding players, and this front office gonna be praised or they are going to bust hard and that draft night is going to considered one of the worst draft nights in suns history because of not only the poor selections but also how they got to those selections.

Time is undefeated. We shall see

Hard to be worse than Jackson, Bender, Chriss, Len, Marshall, and all the other flops picked in the last 15 years.

People need to remember a number 10 pick has only a 20% chance of being an all-star. It drops off dramatically such that Dunn, Oso, Fleming, and Brea have between a 2-4% chance of being an all-star. What we need these kids to do is work on being all-defense selections ... Rebounding, rim protection, deflections, full court pressure, hard screens, rim runs, etc. The offensive game comes much slower but defense is mostly about effort and being intelligent.

Offensive scoring load is Booker, Green, and Williams in that order.

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Not sure I like any of those ideas. Giddey is interesting. But the rest of those. Nah. Pass.