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The buyout market has been more active than in most years I think. Where teams previously would have traded guys off with draft assets to teams with cap space to eat a big contract, this year teams seem to not have the draft assets to do that so are eating the dead salary instead. There may still be some decent guys hit the market due to numbers/salary. I'm not sure how many are seeking out the Jazz or if the Jazz are seeking out young vets.
Jaden Springer is the next imminent deadline approaching. $400k of his salary becomes guaranteed on Friday this week. Word a while ago was waiving Springer and KJ Martin's non-guaranteed contracts would give the Jazz $22 mill in cap space and they would also have the $8.8 mill mid-level exception to use. With the market not really being out there for RFAs Giddey, Kuminga, Grimes, and Cam Thomas, the Jazz could potentially snag one to get another building block. Or have room to take on a salary from someone who happens to have any draft assets they want to spend that way.
Still no buzz on if Kyle Anderson or Kevin Love are going to stick on the roster for the start of the season.
Jaden Springer is the next imminent deadline approaching. $400k of his salary becomes guaranteed on Friday this week. Word a while ago was waiving Springer and KJ Martin's non-guaranteed contracts would give the Jazz $22 mill in cap space and they would also have the $8.8 mill mid-level exception to use. With the market not really being out there for RFAs Giddey, Kuminga, Grimes, and Cam Thomas, the Jazz could potentially snag one to get another building block. Or have room to take on a salary from someone who happens to have any draft assets they want to spend that way.
Still no buzz on if Kyle Anderson or Kevin Love are going to stick on the roster for the start of the season.
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I'd wave/not pick up the option on Springer and Martin. I'd trade Anderson as soon as possible, and either buy out Love or keep him as a veteran presence if he's on board with it.
I would not go after free agents, especially expensive ones such as Giddey and Kuminga, and also not Grimes or Thomas. I'd aim to bring in some undrafted players like the Jazz did with Royce and Ingles, or some Euro\D-League guys and see if they can surprise us and become legit NBA players.
Roll with what you have, buy low on some fringe players who will either help you tank or become valuable through their play, and tank the season well.
I would not go after free agents, especially expensive ones such as Giddey and Kuminga, and also not Grimes or Thomas. I'd aim to bring in some undrafted players like the Jazz did with Royce and Ingles, or some Euro\D-League guys and see if they can surprise us and become legit NBA players.
Roll with what you have, buy low on some fringe players who will either help you tank or become valuable through their play, and tank the season well.
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KqWIN wrote:Why are we talking about Middleton, Harris, and Porter?
The real decision the Jazz FO is making is between Continuity, Cap Flexibility, and Cash Considerations.
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I think Inigo is right on with what the Jazz should do. Only reason you go after anyone is if you see them as a big part of your future. I see them leaving some space open for some mid season acquisitions to get more draft capital or young players.
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Inigo Montoya wrote:I'd wave/not pick up the option on Springer and Martin. I'd trade Anderson as soon as possible, and either buy out Love or keep him as a veteran presence if he's on board with it.
I would not go after free agents, especially expensive ones such as Giddey and Kuminga, and also not Grimes or Thomas. I'd aim to bring in some undrafted players like the Jazz did with Royce and Ingles, or some Euro\D-League guys and see if they can surprise us and become legit NBA players.
Roll with what you have, buy low on some fringe players who will either help you tank or become valuable through their play, and tank the season well.
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Oh, I forgot about Nurkic. He needs to be traded yesterday.
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KqWIN wrote:Why are we talking about Middleton, Harris, and Porter?
The real decision the Jazz FO is making is between Continuity, Cap Flexibility, and Cash Considerations.
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Inigo Montoya wrote:Oh, I forgot about Nurkic. He needs to be traded yesterday.
Forgot he was on the team. Him and Anderson have no reason to be here. Ship them out os fast as possible. If only just so we don’t have to hear about how the Jazz are tanking because we’re not giving those guys minutes. If a vet besides Lauri gets significant time on the court I’ll be frustrated with Ainge Jr. for not making the smart move.
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Daddy 801 wrote:Inigo Montoya wrote:Oh, I forgot about Nurkic. He needs to be traded yesterday.
Forgot he was on the team. Him and Anderson have no reason to be here. Ship them out os fast as possible. If only just so we don’t have to hear about how the Jazz are tanking because we’re not giving those guys minutes. If a vet besides Lauri gets significant time on the court I’ll be frustrated with Ainge Jr. for not making the smart move.
Nurkic may not be a good starting center anymore but he's a pretty good backup and we don't need that kind of comptetence. Plus, there are some teams that have an actual need at C.
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KqWIN wrote:Why are we talking about Middleton, Harris, and Porter?
The real decision the Jazz FO is making is between Continuity, Cap Flexibility, and Cash Considerations.
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Inigo Montoya wrote:Daddy 801 wrote:Inigo Montoya wrote:Oh, I forgot about Nurkic. He needs to be traded yesterday.
Forgot he was on the team. Him and Anderson have no reason to be here. Ship them out os fast as possible. If only just so we don’t have to hear about how the Jazz are tanking because we’re not giving those guys minutes. If a vet besides Lauri gets significant time on the court I’ll be frustrated with Ainge Jr. for not making the smart move.
Nurkic may not be a good starting center anymore but he's a pretty good backup and we don't need that kind of comptetence. Plus, there are some teams that have an actual need at C.
Nurk is a close to deadline guy where you squeeze the value out of someone.
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AingesBurner wrote:Inigo Montoya wrote:Daddy 801 wrote:
Forgot he was on the team. Him and Anderson have no reason to be here. Ship them out os fast as possible. If only just so we don’t have to hear about how the Jazz are tanking because we’re not giving those guys minutes. If a vet besides Lauri gets significant time on the court I’ll be frustrated with Ainge Jr. for not making the smart move.
Nurkic may not be a good starting center anymore but he's a pretty good backup and we don't need that kind of comptetence. Plus, there are some teams that have an actual need at C.
Nurk is a close to deadline guy where you squeeze the value out of someone.
The question is how many losses will he cost you until then. It's not like he'd fetch some spectacular return, and whatever the Jazz will get for him is not worth the risk of dropping a few spots in the lottery order, they need to lose as much as possible.
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KqWIN wrote:Why are we talking about Middleton, Harris, and Porter?
The real decision the Jazz FO is making is between Continuity, Cap Flexibility, and Cash Considerations.
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Inigo Montoya wrote:AingesBurner wrote:Inigo Montoya wrote:Nurkic may not be a good starting center anymore but he's a pretty good backup and we don't need that kind of comptetence. Plus, there are some teams that have an actual need at C.
Nurk is a close to deadline guy where you squeeze the value out of someone.
The question is how many losses will he cost you until then. It's not like he'd fetch some spectacular return, and whatever the Jazz will get for him is not worth the risk of dropping a few spots in the lottery order, they need to lose as much as possible.
We've seen what first spot got us and if with drop couple spots so be it. Worth the risk. Might get little value back if we give him few minutes.
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ForeverRDjazz wrote:Inigo Montoya wrote:AingesBurner wrote:
Nurk is a close to deadline guy where you squeeze the value out of someone.
The question is how many losses will he cost you until then. It's not like he'd fetch some spectacular return, and whatever the Jazz will get for him is not worth the risk of dropping a few spots in the lottery order, they need to lose as much as possible.
We've seen what first spot got us and if with drop couple spots so be it. Worth the risk. Might get little value back if we give him few minutes.
The first spot (worst overall record) pretty much saved the Jazz's season. If it wasn't for the Wizards winning the final game of the season with a buzzer-beater, the Jazz could have dropped to 6th and if you thought dropping to #5 was bad, dropping to #6 would have been a total disaster. We could have been in a scenario where Flagg, Harper, VJ, Ace and Johnson would have all been off the board. So yes, the 'first' spot actually matters a lot.
In addition, what do you think the Jazz could get for an expiring backup C, if anything? Nothing they could realistically get would be worth dropping even one spot in the lottery.
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KqWIN wrote:Why are we talking about Middleton, Harris, and Porter?
The real decision the Jazz FO is making is between Continuity, Cap Flexibility, and Cash Considerations.
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As expected, the Jazz have waived Jaden Springer.
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Inigo Montoya wrote:ForeverRDjazz wrote:Inigo Montoya wrote:The question is how many losses will he cost you until then. It's not like he'd fetch some spectacular return, and whatever the Jazz will get for him is not worth the risk of dropping a few spots in the lottery order, they need to lose as much as possible.
We've seen what first spot got us and if with drop couple spots so be it. Worth the risk. Might get little value back if we give him few minutes.
The first spot (worst overall record) pretty much saved the Jazz's season. If it wasn't for the Wizards winning the final game of the season with a buzzer-beater, the Jazz could have dropped to 6th and if you thought dropping to #5 was bad, dropping to #6 would have been a total disaster. We could have been in a scenario where Flagg, Harper, VJ, Ace and Johnson would have all been off the board. So yes, the 'first' spot actually matters a lot.
In addition, what do you think the Jazz could get for an expiring backup C, if anything? Nothing they could realistically get would be worth dropping even one spot in the lottery.
Maybe Trey J end up best player in this draft? Hell Mavs got Flagg with 1.8 percent chance. Don't get me wrong i'd love getting first pick this last season and season to come. We hope Ace turns out best draft pick this year.
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ForeverRDjazz wrote:Inigo Montoya wrote:ForeverRDjazz wrote:We've seen what first spot got us and if with drop couple spots so be it. Worth the risk. Might get little value back if we give him few minutes.
The first spot (worst overall record) pretty much saved the Jazz's season. If it wasn't for the Wizards winning the final game of the season with a buzzer-beater, the Jazz could have dropped to 6th and if you thought dropping to #5 was bad, dropping to #6 would have been a total disaster. We could have been in a scenario where Flagg, Harper, VJ, Ace and Johnson would have all been off the board. So yes, the 'first' spot actually matters a lot.
In addition, what do you think the Jazz could get for an expiring backup C, if anything? Nothing they could realistically get would be worth dropping even one spot in the lottery.
Maybe Trey J end up best player in this draft? Hell Mavs got Flagg with 1.8 percent chance. Don't get me wrong i'd love getting first pick this last season and season to come. We hope Ace turns out best draft pick this year.
Maybe. I wanted him over Ace. But if the Jazz dropped to 6th, they could have been stuck not being able to draft either of them. Imagine the Jazz drafted 6th and the Hornets didn't draft Knupple.
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KqWIN wrote:Why are we talking about Middleton, Harris, and Porter?
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From Hoopshype story:
Kevin Love reportedly wants to play in a glamour market, per @JakeLFischer
“So with Kevin Love, to my understanding, he really only wants to be in the big glamour markets. I do think it would mostly be something along the lines of Kevin Love going to a New York or a Los Angeles type of situation. So, we'll see if that can materialize for him.”
Kevin Love reportedly wants to play in a glamour market, per @JakeLFischer
“So with Kevin Love, to my understanding, he really only wants to be in the big glamour markets. I do think it would mostly be something along the lines of Kevin Love going to a New York or a Los Angeles type of situation. So, we'll see if that can materialize for him.”
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Fido wrote:From Hoopshype story:
Kevin Love reportedly wants to play in a glamour market, per @JakeLFischer
“So with Kevin Love, to my understanding, he really only wants to be in the big glamour markets. I do think it would mostly be something along the lines of Kevin Love going to a New York or a Los Angeles type of situation. So, we'll see if that can materialize for him.”
Lakers can have Love and either Anderson or Nurc to remove the protections on the pick we own and in return send whatever short term contract hot garbage player or players they want.