The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #4 Free Agency Opens!

[dremill24]

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Not sure I like any of those ideas. Giddey is interesting. But the rest of those. Nah. Pass.

The crazy part of this kind of discourse is that i feel very confident that it's the other team that would pass on 3 of the deals, while i feel pretty confident the Blazers would pass on the Grant deal.

[lilfishi22]

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The only one I like, is the most unlikely to happen, Giddey

I don't like the Jrue/Grant deal either because of how much they are paid but between the 2, probably Grant given he's younger, closer to the peak of his prime and is a better fit than Jrue who would shift Green/Book out of position.

Then Kuminga is dead last.

[Mr Puddles]

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Not sure I like any of those ideas. Giddey is interesting. But the rest of those. Nah. Pass.

The crazy part of this kind of discourse is that i feel very confident that it's the other team that would pass on 3 of the deals, while i feel pretty confident the Blazers would pass on the Grant deal.

Grant's contract is borderline Bradley Beal level bad. Trading Grayson Allen and Royce O'Neal, two players who are better and on better contracts than Grant, for him is crazy talk.

[lilfishi22]

Not sure I like any of those ideas. Giddey is interesting. But the rest of those. Nah. Pass.

The crazy part of this kind of discourse is that i feel very confident that it's the other team that would pass on 3 of the deals, while i feel pretty confident the Blazers would pass on the Grant deal.

Grant's contract is borderline Bradley Beal level bad. Trading Grayson Allen and Royce O'Neal, two players who are better and on better contracts than Grant, for him is crazy talk.

Also worth mentioning Grant has been sneaky injury prone since he left the Nuggets to get the bag. Prior to that he was playing 71, 80, 81, 80, 77 and 65 games. Since he took the bag he's played 54, 47, 63, 54 and last year played 47 games. I say sneaky because he's been pretty much under the radar the last few years

[Fo-Real]

Royce and Richards for Obi Toppin?

[SkyBill40]

Royce and Richards for Obi Toppin?

I might be amenable to that move.

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[lilfishi22]

Royce and Richards for Obi Toppin?

Yes but Pacers won't do it. He's on a fantastic value contract and with Turner leaving the team, they don't actually have much size. Their C's are currently Jay Huff and Wiseman while in their 4 spot they have Siakam and Jarace Walker only. They also have Isiah Jackson but they really don't have quality depth in the front court with Turner leaving.

Richards would help with depth but you're essentially replacing Toppin with Richards and Toppin just does way more and is more valuable.

[Fo-Real]

Royce and Richards for Obi Toppin?

Yes but Pacers won't do it. He's on a fantastic value contract and with Turner leaving the team, they don't actually have much size. Their C's are currently Jay Huff and Wiseman while in their 4 spot they have Siakam and Jarace Walker only. They also have Isiah Jackson but they really don't have quality depth in the front court with Turner leaving.

Richards would help with depth but you're essentially replacing Toppin with Richards and Toppin just does way more and is more valuable.

I think they have enough young talent that they may want to give time over a 14 million dollar role player off the bench like, maybe Jarace.... MAYBE (YES IM HOPING ON THAT ONE). The part I was focusing on is, Jay Huff didn't play at all (barely), and Wiseman is coming off of an achilles, Big Nick Richards may be an asset they want if not able to acquire a worth while center. He is only 5 mil for one year and decisions can be made on him depending on his fit and performance. Royce can be an effective VET role player. Just hoping to catch them in a transition period.

[lilfishi22]

Royce and Richards for Obi Toppin?

Yes but Pacers won't do it. He's on a fantastic value contract and with Turner leaving the team, they don't actually have much size. Their C's are currently Jay Huff and Wiseman while in their 4 spot they have Siakam and Jarace Walker only. They also have Isiah Jackson but they really don't have quality depth in the front court with Turner leaving.

Richards would help with depth but you're essentially replacing Toppin with Richards and Toppin just does way more and is more valuable.

I think they have enough young talent that they may want to give time over a 14 million dollar role player off the bench like, maybe Jarace.... MAYBE (YES IM HOPING ON THAT ONE). The part I was focusing on is, Jay Huff didn't play at all (barely), and Wiseman is coming off of an achilles, Big Nick Richards may be an asset they want if not able to acquire a worth while center. He is only 5 mil for one year and decisions can be made on him depending on his fit and performance. Royce can be an effective VET role player. Just hoping to catch them in a transition period.

I can see where you're coming from and there is sense in trading Toppin to balance out their front court talent given they are pretty weak in particular at the 5.

That said, I think if I'm the Pacers, I'm not sure I want to move a guy on a great contract and locked up for another 3 seasons, is a solid 4 (occasionally 5) and will be going into his 3rd season with the team. And for a C who is....fine but also could walk away in a year's time which isn't ideal if you want to get back to competing at a high level again when Hali returns.

[sunsbum]

Whatever be the case, it doesn't guarantee anything. Williams is still an injury prone big and while we currently have the luxury of a positional surplus, that doesn't mean we're going to succeed. Maluach fell into our laps and for that, despite the naysayers, we are probably better off for it. Time will tell but all this bad talk about Maluach should be fuel to fire his engine to improvement.

I still don't have that much faith in the front office. Quit acting like Sam Presti is in there guiding us to the promised land. Just remember that Ishbia is still omnipresent and ready to mess it all up once again.

Exactly. I'd have far fewer gripes about the deal if Mark Williams regularly played more than 40 something games a year. My main gripe has been our use of assets to accomplish the moves on draft night.

Exactly. Was not impressed how they maneuvered the draft to get players. This is going to be a two edge sword. Either these guys explode and become outstanding players, and this front office gonna be praised or they are going to bust hard and that draft night is going to considered one of the worst draft nights in suns history because of not only the poor selections but also how they got to those selections.

Time is undefeated. We shall see

you are so wise

[Frank Lee]

The trade machine is a cursed tool fueling unsubstantiated speculation on all levels.

Hope we sit back and let the season unfold. Shouldn’t make any trades till mid season when other teams are asking. Teams in the mix will need pieces. We can facilitate deals at a premium cost with our new found cap space and select players. Richards, Allen, O’Neal, Brooks will have more value then.

[JRoy]

POR would take the Grant deal in a heartbeat. PHX should not.

[Fo-Real]

Yes but Pacers won't do it. He's on a fantastic value contract and with Turner leaving the team, they don't actually have much size. Their C's are currently Jay Huff and Wiseman while in their 4 spot they have Siakam and Jarace Walker only. They also have Isiah Jackson but they really don't have quality depth in the front court with Turner leaving.

Richards would help with depth but you're essentially replacing Toppin with Richards and Toppin just does way more and is more valuable.

I think they have enough young talent that they may want to give time over a 14 million dollar role player off the bench like, maybe Jarace.... MAYBE (YES IM HOPING ON THAT ONE). The part I was focusing on is, Jay Huff didn't play at all (barely), and Wiseman is coming off of an achilles, Big Nick Richards may be an asset they want if not able to acquire a worth while center. He is only 5 mil for one year and decisions can be made on him depending on his fit and performance. Royce can be an effective VET role player. Just hoping to catch them in a transition period.

I can see where you're coming from and there is sense in trading Toppin to balance out their front court talent given they are pretty weak in particular at the 5.

That said, I think if I'm the Pacers, I'm not sure I want to move a guy on a great contract and locked up for another 3 seasons, is a solid 4 (occasionally 5) and will be going into his 3rd season with the team. And for a C who is....fine but also could walk away in a year's time which isn't ideal if you want to get back to competing at a high level again when Hali returns.

Agreed, a man can dream though.

[BobbieL]

POR would take the Grant deal in a heartbeat. PHX should not.

I would agree. As a Suns fan, I could not dislike the Grant trade more. It is activity not accomplishment
It is for the fans, or owner that is Jonesing to make a trade . But his contract is terrible. It is more money than O'Neal and Allen

If you keep Allen and O'Neale separate - you have a better chance of offloading one at the deadline

Jrue - same thing as Grante - three more years for more money.
Giddey -- he might be good
Kuminga - not sure he is better than Dunn. I mean if they took Richards and O'Neale that would mean the contract is around $20m - which might be okay but again, redundant with Dunn

I would stay away from all four trades, let the season play out and see what teams will be trade partners at the deadline. There is no need to waive/stretch Beal but trade for another terrible contract. Brooks might also be available at the deadline

[bigfoot]

The trade machine is a cursed tool fueling unsubstantiated speculation on all levels.

Hope we sit back and let the season unfold. Shouldn’t make any trades till mid season when other teams are asking. Teams in the mix will need pieces. We can facilitate deals at a premium cost with our new found cap space and select players. Richards, Allen, O’Neal, Brooks will have more value then.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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The only one I like, is the most unlikely to happen, Giddey

I don't like the Jrue/Grant deal either because of how much they are paid but between the 2, probably Grant given he's younger, closer to the peak of his prime and is a better fit than Jrue who would shift Green/Book out of position.

Then Kuminga is dead last.

Although I don't like the salary/ cap implications, I do like the idea of getting Holiday in a trade if possible. However, I wouldn't do a Grant trade without at minimum some decent draft assets or other young inclusionary pieces coming back to us as we absolutely need to be in asset acquisition mode for the coming seasons in order to replenish our empty cupboard of assets.

It sucks that Allen and O'neale have no market value due to their contracts/ salaries under the new CBA. But it is what it is, and we'll likely have to ride this out and hope that both/ either can reclaim their value in this upcoming season for potential trades??

Around the deadline, if they do play well and reestablish their value somewhat, then we should have a chance to move them around the deadline for some players with partial guarantees or unguaranteed contracts maybe? Or other longer but smaller salaried contracts in exchange for equitable draft compensation to begin refilling our draft cache of assets.

** Nik Richards is our best value asset currently, due to his cost effective, expiring deal. And we're fairly lucky that the 27' draft is projected to he very shallow and weak in talent. So whatever we end up surrendering to Houston might not be that detrimental hopefully.

[Frank Lee]

Although I don't like the salary/ cap implications, I do like the idea of getting Holiday in a trade if possible…..

So you want the player but not the contract? Either go back on your meds or cut your dosage. Better yet, just stop shopping for every Tom Dick and Harry that the clickbaiting media deems tradable.

32.4
34.8
37.2 MILLION
for a dude who is 35

[phnart]

Something tells me the Suns are only taking on salary for younger dudes at this point. This might be the hopeful side of my brain talking, but they just leveled up several levels of salary purgatory. Why would they slide right back down for a guy like Jrue Holiday who could help in the short term with leadership and toughness, but probably doesn't have a ton of productive years in front of him.

There is nothing left out there that makes me go, "Roll the damn dice, Mr. Gregory."

Unless they could bring on another dude with some attitude and swagger...which is Jrue Holiday, true...but not at that price.

[Saberestar]

Telesport.rs:

BREAKING: EuroLeague contenders miss out on major reinforcement - Jared Butler to remain in the NBA

According to exclusive sources from Telesport, Jared Butler has reached an agreement to join the Phoenix Suns. This development is particularly significant for European basketball fans, as both Partizan and Olympiacos were strongly pursuing Butler as a backcourt addition.

With Butler off the market, both clubs continue their search for reinforcements at the guard position.

[Saberestar]

That’s a great addition.

I was thinking about Talen Horton-Tucker, Banton and him as a 24/25 years old combo-guards that could be available for the minimum and deserves a roster spot in the league.

Jared Butler took advantage of the opportunity last year on the Sixers. With everything lost at the deadline, the Sixers gave him and another youngsters plenty of minutes and he delivered good performances.

Edit: Not official.