Josh Giddey Thread 2.0

GuardianEnzo · Post #1081 » by **GuardianEnzo** » Wed Jul 23, 2025 2:52 am

Giddey can stand firm at 30 all he wants, unless his agent can somehow scare up a S&T partner willing to pay it he has absolutely no leverage. The only choice he has in the end is accept what the Bulls offer or take the QA. If he wants to do the latter and bet on himself more power to him - unlike Kuminga he’ll get every chance to pump his numbers if he does so. But in the end probably not, which means it’s just about what the Bulls are willing to give to let Giddey’s camp save face.

League Circles · Post #1082 » by **League Circles** » Wed Jul 23, 2025 3:00 am

MGB8 wrote:
sonny wrote:

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Wow. But he makes a solid argument. This probably summarizes where Doug is sort of at. I didn't realize that he was so bad on D vs Miami. So if those clips are brutal, though lack of help also comes into play.

Reinforces my thought that you can't have him primarily assigned to defend guards - he can't keep up - and honestly have to be careful in the switch.

Damn, after watching that I just decided I'd rather have him play on the QO than give him 30 mil/year. Bulls should stick to more like 25, maybe 26 AAV.

But yeah, the notion that he's ever been, ever should be, or ever will be a guard is hysterical. This guy is a small ball point-4. Fortunately I think Matas can defend opposing 3s if needed, so against teams that have threats at the 2 and 3 positions, Okoro and Matas can defend. And yes we have to be more careful on switches, and we need a true defending C. Man this is getting too specific. I basically have largely agreed with Doug all season on Giddey, and wanted to trade him at the deadline as a result, but unlike Doug, I do think he's a good bet at 20-25 mil a year. I'm still concerned that he'll look like an all NBA player against bad defenses and look very limited against good playoff defenses that are scheming against him.

MisterRoy · Post #1083 » by **MisterRoy** » Wed Jul 23, 2025 3:00 am

Can the Bulls really afford to let him take the QO and leave as an FA. That would really be egg on their face.

League Circles · Post #1084 » by **League Circles** » Wed Jul 23, 2025 3:05 am

I hope the Bulls have communicated that while Giddey looks as good as a number of guys who got huge contracts, the Bulls believe that those huge deals will prevent those teams from ever being great.

Rose2Boozer · Post #1085 » by **Rose2Boozer** » Wed Jul 23, 2025 10:50 am

MisterRoy wrote:Can the Bulls really afford to let him take the QO and leave as an FA. That would really be egg on their face.

Having three important unrestricted free agents in the summer of 2026 would be rough.

MisterRoy · Post #1086 » by **MisterRoy** » Wed Jul 23, 2025 12:07 pm

League Circles wrote:I hope the Bulls have communicated that while Giddey looks as good as a number of guys who got huge contracts, the Bulls believe that those huge deals will prevent those teams from ever being great.

I wonder how much the PWill contract is impacting them from being great...

sco · Post #1087 » by **sco** » Wed Jul 23, 2025 12:17 pm

It's a bit uncomfortable right now admittedly. Here's the intellectual challenge I face. Giddey is a good player but has limitations. If we were a contending team with great players, I wonder how much we'd care about keeping him...vs. our current team with a couple of other good players and a bunch of mediocre/bad ones. Using my tired picking up the girl at the bar analogy, Giddey is that 3am last call at the local pub "10", but how would we feel about that same person at midnight in a popular club in the city? At least AK seems to know what time it is and which establishment he's in.

League Circles · Post #1088 » by **League Circles** » Wed Jul 23, 2025 12:17 pm

MisterRoy wrote:
League Circles wrote:I hope the Bulls have communicated that while Giddey looks as good as a number of guys who got huge contracts, the Bulls believe that those huge deals will prevent those teams from ever being great.

I wonder how much the PWill contract is impacting them from being great...

Not really at all, yet. But obviously unless he improves a lot this year, it will prevent them to the tune of $18 million next summer when they can have real cap space.

Red Larrivee · Post #1089 » by **Red Larrivee** » Wed Jul 23, 2025 12:18 pm

League Circles wrote:I hope the Bulls have communicated that while Giddey looks as good as a number of guys who got huge contracts, the Bulls believe that those huge deals will prevent those teams from ever being great.

There are valid reasons for the Bulls to explain why they're offering Giddey what they are, but this isn't one of them. Players don't have to help you manage the salary cap; they're looking to maximize their earnings.

AK clearly just helped Patrick Williams do that.

MGB8 · Post #1090 » by **MGB8** » Wed Jul 23, 2025 12:47 pm

Rose2Boozer wrote:
MisterRoy wrote:Can the Bulls really afford to let him take the QO and leave as an FA. That would really be egg on their face.

Having three important unrestricted free agents in the summer of 2026 would be rough.

This is a good point, and it isn’t clear that AKME is working to get ahead of that. Signing Giddey to at least a 3 year deal, maybe with mutual option on year 3 (not sure if doable, maybe PO but not tiny guarantee on year 3).

But if they aren’t sure of Giddey - and the hard-ish ball negotiations seem to signal that, plus drafting another 3/4 in Essengue - and they certainly don’t seem to be convinced that Coby is primarily a PG, much less *the* PG - the search has to be on now for someone who would run a future offense (if only by virtue of churning guys for future assets).

I do wonder if Memphis adding Jerome means that Pippen Jr. would be obtainable. He is short, but has a near 6’6 WS and good production so far. And obviously the symbolism would mean something.

I doubt that Suggs is reasonably obtainable. Nor Jaden Ivey. And both have Coby-esque “more combo than point” questions. A flier on Grimes? But what would Philly want - Ayo is the same issue, but UFA, a year later. Coby worth more than Grimes and has pending UFA issue. Huerter?

League Circles · Post #1091 » by **League Circles** » Wed Jul 23, 2025 2:28 pm

Red Larrivee wrote:
League Circles wrote:I hope the Bulls have communicated that while Giddey looks as good as a number of guys who got huge contracts, the Bulls believe that those huge deals will prevent those teams from ever being great.

There are valid reasons for the Bulls to explain why they're offering Giddey what they are, but this isn't one of them. Players don't have to help you manage the salary cap; they're looking to maximize their earnings.

AK clearly just helped Patrick Williams do that.

It's not about some expectation that Giddey help the Bulls. It's just about making it clear to him, for player relationship purposes, that the reason we're not offering 30 mil isn't because we think he's only 2/3 the caliber of player of guys that have recently got that much, but because we don't believe the team can be deep enough to win a championship down the road if we pay guys like that. Which is true. I'm just saying I hope that's part of the dialogue. What a player is worth on a contending roster is different than what he's worth league wide, and the difference can be big.

League Circles · Post #1092 » by **League Circles** » Wed Jul 23, 2025 2:29 pm

Rose2Boozer wrote:
MisterRoy wrote:Can the Bulls really afford to let him take the QO and leave as an FA. That would really be egg on their face.

Having three important unrestricted free agents in the summer of 2026 would be rough.

Who is the third important guy after Coby and Giddey? I don't see anyone.

jnrjr79 · Post #1093 » by **jnrjr79** » Wed Jul 23, 2025 2:30 pm

Stratmaster wrote:Sports Illustrated reported yesterday that Giddey is standing firm at 30 mil, and "revelaed" that the Bulls offer is 4 years @ 20mil per. the source is a guy named Brett Siegel from Clutch Points. So I went to Clutch Points link. Siegel's source in his article yesterday is "league sources". Anybody know about this guy and whether or not his "league sources" are reliable? He then says the 2 sides are supposed to get together "this summer" and work out differences. I guess he doesn't realize it is late July? Is this just rehashing of old assumptions or is it confirmation of what we have been hearing?

Just bear in mind that nobody should look at Sports Illustrated as a real publication anymore. It has effectively been shut down and does no journalism. It did not "report" that Giddey is standing firm at $30 million. Brett Siegel is not a "source." Sports Illustrated (and just some random dude who is likely a fan blogger) aggregated a Brett Siegel piece. When you actually click to the Siegel piece, he cites "league sources" saying that Giddey wants a contract like Suggs or Quickley and has "not come down" from $30M/year, but notes that the two sides are going to reunite to further negotiate.

He also notes there has been no real interest from other teams in Giddey given Giddey's salary demands.

Rose2Boozer · Post #1094 » by **Rose2Boozer** » Wed Jul 23, 2025 4:51 pm

League Circles wrote:
Rose2Boozer wrote:
MisterRoy wrote:Can the Bulls really afford to let him take the QO and leave as an FA. That would really be egg on their face.

Having three important unrestricted free agents in the summer of 2026 would be rough.

Who is the third important guy after Coby and Giddey? I don't see anyone.

Ayo

League Circles · Post #1095 » by **League Circles** » Wed Jul 23, 2025 5:17 pm

Rose2Boozer wrote:
League Circles wrote:
Rose2Boozer wrote:
Having three important unrestricted free agents in the summer of 2026 would be rough.

Who is the third important guy after Coby and Giddey? I don't see anyone.

Ayo

Very hard to call him important IMO. He projects to be fighting for the last rotation spot with Huerter IMO. We just traded one of our best assets for a projected upgrade in Okoro.

Red8911 · Post #1096 » by **Red8911** » Wed Jul 23, 2025 6:31 pm

Rose2Boozer wrote:
League Circles wrote:
Rose2Boozer wrote:
Having three important unrestricted free agents in the summer of 2026 would be rough.

Who is the third important guy after Coby and Giddey? I don't see anyone.

Ayo

Idk if you’re being serious but no way. Ayos just an average bench player, doesn’t really matter if he stays or goes.

waffle · Post #1097 » by **waffle** » Wed Jul 23, 2025 9:16 pm

I hope they freaking come to a mutually agreeable solution. The bulls, face it, are tied to Giddey. JUST ARE. Giddey, face it, is just mostly tied to the Bulls. JUST IS.

2 or 3 years from now, OPTIMALLY, the Bulls COULD (note, I said COULD...it give me an out)....BE GOOD. I can see Giddey being a key part of that

He's better than many on this board argue.

Make a deal.

kodo · Post #1098 » by **kodo** » Wed Jul 23, 2025 9:28 pm

Rose2Boozer wrote:
MisterRoy wrote:Can the Bulls really afford to let him take the QO and leave as an FA. That would really be egg on their face.

Having three important unrestricted free agents in the summer of 2026 would be rough.

The best FAs of 2026 (that will actually be on the market) are currently predicted to be: Zach Lavine, Coby White, Anfernee Simons, Nikola Vucevic.
Giddey & Coby would easily be at the top of the list for any teams, meaning the Bulls would potentially pay far more to keep them.

sco · Post #1099 » by **sco** » Wed Jul 23, 2025 9:55 pm

waffle wrote:I hope they freaking come to a mutually agreeable solution. The bulls, face it, are tied to Giddey. JUST ARE. Giddey, face it, is just mostly tied to the Bulls. JUST IS.

2 or 3 years from now, OPTIMALLY, the Bulls COULD (note, I said COULD...it give me an out)....BE GOOD. I can see Giddey being a key part of that

He's better than many on this board argue.

Make a deal.

There is an argument that the Bulls, by letting this go on (i.e. give Giddey's agent time to find another team to offer a higher deal), are doing Giddey a bit of a favor.

DropStep · Post #1100 » by **DropStep** » Wed Jul 23, 2025 10:39 pm

sco wrote:
waffle wrote:I hope they freaking come to a mutually agreeable solution. The bulls, face it, are tied to Giddey. JUST ARE. Giddey, face it, is just mostly tied to the Bulls. JUST IS.

2 or 3 years from now, OPTIMALLY, the Bulls COULD (note, I said COULD...it give me an out)....BE GOOD. I can see Giddey being a key part of that

He's better than many on this board argue.

Make a deal.

There is an argument that the Bulls, by letting this go on (i.e. give Giddey's agent time to find another team to offer a higher deal), are doing Giddey a bit of a favor.

Yes, but NOT "letting this go on" could also be couched as bidding against yourself. Teams rarely actually bid against themselves, they bid against ghosts - including the phantom of an offer from some other team that may or may not materialize. AK has apparently taken a position on this contract, and he seems to be holding his water admirably against the idea of "a high offer from Team X Who May or May Not Exist." He isn't getting bullied by Giddey's camp, or by public opinion, or by the sunk cost of the Caruso trade, or by the calendar or the QO, and especially not by the bogeyman of the Nets or whoever swooping in and taking his guy.

Or that's the narrative in my head, given that actual info has been scarce.