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Jcool0 wrote:Lakers are a unique team always looking for star players and will undervalue the guys that are actually helping to win titles in an attempt to keep everything open to get that star guy.
Jcool0 wrote:drosestruts wrote:I don't really get the "no market" comments
Okoro was traded on June 28th.
The finals ended June 22nd
Free Agency started June 30th
The draft was June 25th
This isn't some guy who was shopped for months and months and months who Cleveland couldn't unload.
I'm also not sure what relevance comments like that have. Do they matter? You win games on the court, Okroo wins his minutes on the court.
Hopefully, that continues here.
Chris Fedor: From everything that I'm told they're having a hard time finding anybody that has legitimate interest in Isaac Okoro, unless Isaac also comes with some kind of sweetener from the Cavs. Some kinds of assets attached to his contract because I think there are teams out there that are looking at Isaac and they're saying like ‘We'd be doing you a favor by taking on his contract, so make it worth our time to do that, make it worthwhile for us to do that. Give us future second round picks, go find a first round pick somehow that you can trade to us along with Isaac Okoro then we'll help you out.’
And if we move off of Isaac Okoro’s money if we move off Dean Wade's money, does that make it easier to justify a Ty Jerome contract? Does that make it easier to justify a Sam Merrill contract? - Chris Fedor
dougthonus wrote:Jcool0 wrote:Lakers are a unique team always looking for star players and will undervalue the guys that are actually helping to win titles in an attempt to keep everything open to get that star guy.
Sure, no one was chasing Caruso either though. He was on a title contender, and we didn't pay him all that much, he didn't come here because he was so amped about our team's great positioning. It was just the most he could get.
Jcool0 wrote:aguifs wrote:Do we have a friggin plan?
If the Bulls do, you would be complaining to much to ever hear it.
dougthonus wrote:Jcool0 wrote:Lakers are a unique team always looking for star players and will undervalue the guys that are actually helping to win titles in an attempt to keep everything open to get that star guy.
Sure, no one was chasing Caruso either though. He was on a title contender, and we didn't pay him all that much, he didn't come here because he was so amped about our team's great positioning. It was just the most he could get.
Hangtime84 wrote:dougthonus wrote:Jcool0 wrote:Lakers are a unique team always looking for star players and will undervalue the guys that are actually helping to win titles in an attempt to keep everything open to get that star guy.
Sure, no one was chasing Caruso either though. He was on a title contender, and we didn't pay him all that much, he didn't come here because he was so amped about our team's great positioning. It was just the most he could get.
If Okoro ends up having a Caruso type impact for us. I will say AK needs to do take more effort and find those type of guys who process the game. He correctly identified 3 of them when found AC, Ball and Green all 3 were extremely high in defensive statistics while here.
Jcool0 wrote:Hangtime84 wrote:dougthonus wrote:
Sure, no one was chasing Caruso either though. He was on a title contender, and we didn't pay him all that much, he didn't come here because he was so amped about our team's great positioning. It was just the most he could get.
If Okoro ends up having a Caruso type impact for us. I will say AK needs to do take more effort and find those type of guys who process the game. He correctly identified 3 of them when found AC, Ball and Green all 3 were extremely high in defensive statistics while here.
You are giving him credit for "finding" Lonzo Ball? who at the time was a top FA and signed to big money, came to Chicago and did exactly what he did in LA and NO?
Jcool0 wrote:aguifs wrote:Do we have a friggin plan?
If the Bulls do, you would be complaining to much to ever hear it.
Hangtime84 wrote:Jcool0 wrote:Hangtime84 wrote:
If Okoro ends up having a Caruso type impact for us. I will say AK needs to do take more effort and find those type of guys who process the game. He correctly identified 3 of them when found AC, Ball and Green all 3 were extremely high in defensive statistics while here.
You are giving him credit for "finding" Lonzo Ball? who at the time was a top FA and signed to big money, came to Chicago and did exactly what he did in LA and NO?
Zo wasn’t paid like a top tier guy. He had a known name thanks to Lavar Ball and social media.
Roster construction is part of the job. So yes they get credit even if they lucked into a number #1 and chose Flagg.
No matter what the majority outward opinion is on a player doing your own diligence is important.
Jcool0 wrote:Why discus things you have no idea about? You don't know who was and wasn't after Caruso. As far as i know there were no reports about teams not wanting him. Free agents on his level at the time don't have article's written about who is going after him. Sure it probably took going to Chicago and a bigger role to get that national recognition, but someone would have given him more then LA.
dougthonus wrote:Jcool0 wrote:Why discus things you have no idea about? You don't know who was and wasn't after Caruso. As far as i know there were no reports about teams not wanting him. Free agents on his level at the time don't have article's written about who is going after him. Sure it probably took going to Chicago and a bigger role to get that national recognition, but someone would have given him more then LA.
You chastise for me a hypothetical then just say "you are sure" of something you are equally unsure about.
Either way, I'm not trying to state what you said (that no one wanted Caruso). I meant no one was willing to pay Caruso more than us, and the one other known bidder was considerably less than us. Two years later Caruso was worth a ton more.
We'll see if the same will be true of Okoro, but I think Caruso was an elite perimeter defender, but that got lost with the tremendous front court defense behind him. Okoro is in a similar boat potentially with also a similar underselling of his perimeter value due to the great defenders behind him. We'll see if it pans out that way or not.
Downside is that even if it does pan out, we'll only have one more year of Okoro to either extend or trade.
drosestruts wrote:i don't even know where the goalposts are anymore
drosestruts wrote:Jcool0 wrote:drosestruts wrote:I don't really get the "no market" comments
Okoro was traded on June 28th.
The finals ended June 22nd
Free Agency started June 30th
The draft was June 25th
This isn't some guy who was shopped for months and months and months who Cleveland couldn't unload.
I'm also not sure what relevance comments like that have. Do they matter? You win games on the court, Okroo wins his minutes on the court.
Hopefully, that continues here.
Chris Fedor: From everything that I'm told they're having a hard time finding anybody that has legitimate interest in Isaac Okoro, unless Isaac also comes with some kind of sweetener from the Cavs. Some kinds of assets attached to his contract because I think there are teams out there that are looking at Isaac and they're saying like ‘We'd be doing you a favor by taking on his contract, so make it worth our time to do that, make it worthwhile for us to do that. Give us future second round picks, go find a first round pick somehow that you can trade to us along with Isaac Okoro then we'll help you out.’
I do think the missing context here is that these quotes were in reference to moving off Okoro for pure salary so they'd be able to re-sign Ty Jerome.
Instead, they simply traded Okoro for a Jerome replacement.And if we move off of Isaac Okoro’s money if we move off Dean Wade's money, does that make it easier to justify a Ty Jerome contract? Does that make it easier to justify a Sam Merrill contract? - Chris Fedor
So was there no market for Okoro at all? Or was there no market for a team to eat all of Okoro's money without sending anything back?
Those are two very different questions/statements
DuckIII wrote: We can't out-Miami, Miami. But based on their roster, we can out-Chicago them.
Jcool0 wrote:dougthonus wrote:Jcool0 wrote:Why discus things you have no idea about? You don't know who was and wasn't after Caruso. As far as i know there were no reports about teams not wanting him. Free agents on his level at the time don't have article's written about who is going after him. Sure it probably took going to Chicago and a bigger role to get that national recognition, but someone would have given him more then LA.
You chastise for me a hypothetical then just say "you are sure" of something you are equally unsure about.
Either way, I'm not trying to state what you said (that no one wanted Caruso). I meant no one was willing to pay Caruso more than us, and the one other known bidder was considerably less than us. Two years later Caruso was worth a ton more.
We'll see if the same will be true of Okoro, but I think Caruso was an elite perimeter defender, but that got lost with the tremendous front court defense behind him. Okoro is in a similar boat potentially with also a similar underselling of his perimeter value due to the great defenders behind him. We'll see if it pans out that way or not.
Downside is that even if it does pan out, we'll only have one more year of Okoro to either extend or trade.
Caruso has been Caruso since he stepped on an NBA court. We are hoping Okoro being on a new team in i assume a bigger role unlocks what he couldnt in Cleveland. Its a gamble. They are hoping for another Giddey situation but the difference is Giddey should WAY more in OKC then Okoro ever has in Cleveland.
27. T.J. McConnell, G, Pacers
Season ticket sales won’t explode by the thousands for the team that signs McConnell, but that club will be getting a tough, reliable role player whose modest scoring numbers undersell his value. He’s a strong distributor on offense, racks up steals on defense, and made 55.9% of his field goal attempts in 2020/21 despite not being much of a threat from beyond the arc.
28. Nerlens Noel, C, Knicks
A former sixth overall pick, Noel may never live up to his pre-draft ceiling, but the version of the big man we saw in 2020/21 could help any team. Noel is a fearsome rim protector (2.2 BPG in just 24.2 MPG) and an athletic finisher who has no problem running the floor.
29. Bruce Brown, G/F, Nets (RFA)
A physical and versatile defender, Brown was a good fit in Brooklyn along some of the most talented scorers on the planet, playing virtually every position on the court. Ideally, you’d like to see some improvement on his three-point shot, but his existing skill set and his age (25 later this month) makes him worth a strong multiyear investment.
30. Alex Caruso, G, Lakers
A guard in the mold of McConnell and Brown, Caruso is hardly a threat to put up 30 points a night, but derives plenty of value from the other things he can do on the court, including excellent perimeter defense.
On a somewhat quiet offseason: “I won’t say it was by design. But we knew we weren’t likely to make any blockbuster moves either. But we’re happy with what we did and we’re still actively looking at other options too,” a Bulls front office executive said.
On Josh Giddey: “We want to get a deal done with Josh. He’s as important of a player as we have. We see him as a foundational player for us. I hope we can find a deal that makes sense for us and him and that we’ll be together for a long time,” a Bulls front office executive said.
On Matas Buzelis: “He’s going to be really, really good. He wants it so damn bad. This kid pushes himself so hard. And you see that on the floor too. But it’s the quiet moments when you see him work. He’s wildly intense about getting better and improving,” a Bulls coach said.
On the roster as a whole: “Last year, we played pretty fast. I think we can play even faster next season. Our roster is built for it. And you saw with Indiana and OKC in the Finals, that playing with pace is so important. We’re going to get after it on defense, force turnovers and then get out and run. That suits Matas (Buzelis) and Noa (Essengue) as our young forwards and all of our guards really well. We also think that Isaac (Okoro) will benefit in a more up-tempo style too. There’s untapped potential there,” a Bulls coach said.
On Coby White: “The contract is what it is. We probably can’t extend him, because the rules don’t allow for us to pay him enough,” a Bulls front office executive said. “But we want Coby to be a Bull for a long time. He knows how we feel about him.”
sco wrote:https://www.spotrac.com/news/_/id/2912/eastern-conference-summer-league-notesOn a somewhat quiet offseason: “I won’t say it was by design. But we knew we weren’t likely to make any blockbuster moves either. But we’re happy with what we did and we’re still actively looking at other options too,” a Bulls front office executive said.
On Josh Giddey: “We want to get a deal done with Josh. He’s as important of a player as we have. We see him as a foundational player for us. I hope we can find a deal that makes sense for us and him and that we’ll be together for a long time,” a Bulls front office executive said.
On Matas Buzelis: “He’s going to be really, really good. He wants it so damn bad. This kid pushes himself so hard. And you see that on the floor too. But it’s the quiet moments when you see him work. He’s wildly intense about getting better and improving,” a Bulls coach said.
On the roster as a whole: “Last year, we played pretty fast. I think we can play even faster next season. Our roster is built for it. And you saw with Indiana and OKC in the Finals, that playing with pace is so important. We’re going to get after it on defense, force turnovers and then get out and run. That suits Matas (Buzelis) and Noa (Essengue) as our young forwards and all of our guards really well. We also think that Isaac (Okoro) will benefit in a more up-tempo style too. There’s untapped potential there,” a Bulls coach said.
On Coby White: “The contract is what it is. We probably can’t extend him, because the rules don’t allow for us to pay him enough,” a Bulls front office executive said. “But we want Coby to be a Bull for a long time. He knows how we feel about him.”