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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.6 

Post#161 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Jul 22, 2025 9:21 pm

carnageta wrote:I hope we see a ton of minutes with Ware, Bam, and Jovic on the floor together.

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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.6 

Post#162 » by Hallstar » Tue Jul 22, 2025 9:21 pm

Shewasfly wrote:Said it before and will say it again, Jovic should start at 3. Wiggins can lead the bench unit.

Herro/Powell/Jovic/Bam/Ware

But I think Spo will start Wiggins and Powell. So it'll be Herro/Powell/Wiggins/Bam/Ware

if Michael Porter Jr can start at the 3 so can Jovic
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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.6 

Post#163 » by carnageta » Tue Jul 22, 2025 9:23 pm

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I think it's worth looking at this from a large sample size perspective. If in 5-10 years from now we haven't made it back to the NBA finals at least once and have been a treadmill team, then I'd say it's a valid take.

We've been in the NBA finals 7 times in the last 20 years, and in the ECF 9 times in the last 21 years, which is amongst the most in the NBA.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.6 

Post#164 » by Shewasfly » Tue Jul 22, 2025 9:37 pm

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Shewasfly wrote:Said it before and will say it again, Jovic should start at 3. Wiggins can lead the bench unit.

Herro/Powell/Jovic/Bam/Ware

But I think Spo will start Wiggins and Powell. So it'll be Herro/Powell/Wiggins/Bam/Ware

if Michael Porter Jr can start at the 3 so can Jovic

Especially with Bam and Powell on the floor. And even more if Davion shows and proves and earns the starting PG spot. That's enough defense to help cover for he and Herro's lapses.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.6 

Post#165 » by Vertical Limit » Tue Jul 22, 2025 9:52 pm

The pat riley dropping the rings **** been dead for a decade… since lebron left to be exact.no one is sacrificing big, generational money for rings, other than Jalen Brunson signing that extension way below his value.

We got extremely lucky with Butler, not a single Heat fan thought we would get what we got from Butler, in the bubble, in the deep run where we were eliminated by the celtics.. or in the second finals run with butler..

The Butler trade costed us Whiteside and a future first round pick…. Lol if the rest of the NBA thought Butler was that guy, they would have given up a whole lot more than we did to work a S&T.

And even after the bubble, we didnt do enough to pair him with another star. Kept trying to give up all the trash for stars and yet keep Herro, Bam, Robinson in the team..


You wanted Butler Bam and Dame together, or Butler Bam and Spida.. it could have happened, just wasnt aggressive or serious enough in the conversations.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.6 

Post#166 » by Voltron914 » Tue Jul 22, 2025 10:00 pm

Shewasfly wrote:Said it before and will say it again, Jovic should start at 3. Wiggins can lead the bench unit.

Herro/Powell/Jovic/Bam/Ware

But I think Spo will start Wiggins and Powell. So it'll be Herro/Powell/Wiggins/Bam/Ware



i agree but with everyone saying Wiggins needs to be coddled and reassured in his role that would be a disaster for the team especially if we are trying to cash him out for assets at the deadline. Imagine a closing lineup with Mitchell Wiggins Jovic Bam and Ware :o
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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.6 

Post#167 » by MartyConlonJr » Tue Jul 22, 2025 10:43 pm

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MartyConlonJr wrote:Can I be in that parallel universe where we kept Lowry? We would be in such a better position. If the NBA somehow forced Charlotte to return our pick it would drastically change the outlook of this team.


I’d prefer to be in the parallel universe in which we never got Lowry.


I guess when I look at our team, I see EVERY player being on a good and fair contract, EXCEPT Rozier.

Say what you will about Bam, I think many teams would take him at the contract he is on and going forward, and Herros current contract is fair and short (future? We'll see). Wiggins people are split on, but it is value. All other contracts are short and small.

I also see us being in a good position in terms of 1st round picks, having ALL of ours EXCEPT the one we owe from the Rozier trade.

Without that trade we would have a fine looking balance sheet and assets. Man that trade sucked
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Post#168 » by Vertical Limit » Tue Jul 22, 2025 10:58 pm

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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.6 

Post#169 » by Tim_Hardawayy » Tue Jul 22, 2025 11:48 pm

MartyConlonJr wrote:
MorbidHEAT wrote:
MartyConlonJr wrote:Can I be in that parallel universe where we kept Lowry? We would be in such a better position. If the NBA somehow forced Charlotte to return our pick it would drastically change the outlook of this team.


I’d prefer to be in the parallel universe in which we never got Lowry.


I guess when I look at our team, I see EVERY player being on a good and fair contract, EXCEPT Rozier.

Say what you will about Bam, I think many teams would take him at the contract he is on and going forward, and Herros current contract is fair and short (future? We'll see). Wiggins people are split on, but it is value. All other contracts are short and small.

I also see us being in a good position in terms of 1st round picks, having ALL of ours EXCEPT the one we owe from the Rozier trade.

Without that trade we would have a fine looking balance sheet and assets. Man that trade sucked

This is actually a good point. Contract wise we're in a decent position, we just lack that top 10/top 5 player who can lead the team. Its ok to have bad contracts if you have that guy, but the goal moving forward has to be to avoid those bad contracts at least until we get that guy. After we have him, then its OK to overpay a couple guys in pursuit of more. If you start overpaying first that's how you really end up in no man's land and trapped.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.6 

Post#170 » by MadD23 » Wed Jul 23, 2025 2:06 am

carnageta wrote:
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I think it's worth looking at this from a large sample size perspective. If in 5-10 years from now we haven't made it back to the NBA finals at least once and have been a treadmill team, then I'd say it's a valid take.

We've been in the NBA finals 7 times in the last 20 years, and in the ECF 9 times in the last 21 years, which is amongst the most in the NBA.


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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.6 

Post#171 » by ZoStrong » Wed Jul 23, 2025 3:32 am

carnageta wrote:
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I think it's worth looking at this from a large sample size perspective. If in 5-10 years from now we haven't made it back to the NBA finals at least once and have been a treadmill team, then I'd say it's a valid take.

We've been in the NBA finals 7 times in the last 20 years, and in the ECF 9 times in the last 21 years, which is amongst the most in the NBA.




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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.6 

Post#172 » by ZoStrong » Wed Jul 23, 2025 3:37 am

Btw, the bag of rings is a fun story. And sports stars sure love jewelry too. But I highly doubt dropping rings on the table sealed or seals any deals. When asked by the media, it's a fun story to spill to the public harmlessly rather than going into specifics of numbers and situations.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.6 

Post#173 » by MartyConlonJr » Wed Jul 23, 2025 8:19 am

Vertical Limit wrote:https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMa0agcMBfP/?igsh=MTVvcDdldnVwamt6bA==

Lol beasley keeps hating on spo


Beasley had 8-10 coaches (too lazy to look at the splits in Phoenix and Houston where there were 2 coaches in a season). Spoelstra, Rambis, Adelman, Gentry, Hunter, McHale, Bickerstaff, Kidd, Hornacek, Walton.

And Spo and Adelman gave him some of the largest mins of any of them (Rambis gave him the most, on the worst team in the league).

Still to this day Beas can't accept responsibility for anything I guess.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.6 

Post#174 » by MartyConlonJr » Wed Jul 23, 2025 8:25 am

Tim_Hardawayy wrote:
MartyConlonJr wrote:
MorbidHEAT wrote:
I’d prefer to be in the parallel universe in which we never got Lowry.


I guess when I look at our team, I see EVERY player being on a good and fair contract, EXCEPT Rozier.

Say what you will about Bam, I think many teams would take him at the contract he is on and going forward, and Herros current contract is fair and short (future? We'll see). Wiggins people are split on, but it is value. All other contracts are short and small.

I also see us being in a good position in terms of 1st round picks, having ALL of ours EXCEPT the one we owe from the Rozier trade.

Without that trade we would have a fine looking balance sheet and assets. Man that trade sucked

This is actually a good point. Contract wise we're in a decent position, we just lack that top 10/top 5 player who can lead the team. Its ok to have bad contracts if you have that guy, but the goal moving forward has to be to avoid those bad contracts at least until we get that guy. After we have him, then its OK to overpay a couple guys in pursuit of more. If you start overpaying first that's how you really end up in no man's land and trapped.


Yep and this is why Miami were always targeting 26 offseason. Jimmy could have led this team last season and this season, retired off into the sunset endeared by Miami fans with his jersey raised to the rafters (or come back on a smaller contract depending how the offseason played out).

All Miami needed was the threat of max cap space to convince a player over, then orchestrate a sign and trade after that so they could resign players over it like Jimmy, but they needed the threat.

Bam and Herros flaws would have been more hidden with Jimmy as 1a and helped lure the next guy. This next offseason was the season, before all the extensions and malarkey kicked in.

Roster was/is in a good financial space. Only the 1st round pick to Charlotte being the problem.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.6 

Post#175 » by Johnny Fontane » Wed Jul 23, 2025 10:56 am

Could Beasley have made it in this league is drafted by another organization that coddled him to the extreme? Who the heck knows. I do know that his mentality was at the complete opposite end of the spectrum than what the Heat wanted and were expecting from him though
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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.6 

Post#176 » by Kobewade11 » Wed Jul 23, 2025 11:52 am

MartyConlonJr wrote:
Vertical Limit wrote:https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMa0agcMBfP/?igsh=MTVvcDdldnVwamt6bA==

Lol beasley keeps hating on spo


Beasley had 8-10 coaches (too lazy to look at the splits in Phoenix and Houston where there were 2 coaches in a season). Spoelstra, Rambis, Adelman, Gentry, Hunter, McHale, Bickerstaff, Kidd, Hornacek, Walton.

And Spo and Adelman gave him some of the largest mins of any of them (Rambis gave him the most, on the worst team in the league).

Still to this day Beas can't accept responsibility for anything I guess.


The story that always sticks out to me with Beas is that he had to be dragged out of bed for a pre-draft workout, by the time he made it to the gym, Westbrook had already been there for multiple hours in a full sweat.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.6 

Post#177 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Jul 23, 2025 12:09 pm

Beasley was and still is a nut case, that being said he was just messing around about Spo from the clips I saw. He was making a joke that Spo and Adelman are the only 2 people that could guard him and said that he loves Spo and that’s his guy
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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.6 

Post#178 » by HeatFanLifer » Wed Jul 23, 2025 12:52 pm

How did Heat scouting mess up so bad that they could not see supercool bease was going to be a train wreck of a player? Who is held accountable when a #2 pick in the draft is a bust?
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Post#179 » by Umbooki » Wed Jul 23, 2025 1:09 pm

When you have a player that talented, you have to hope and pray that they have an epiphany before it's too late. It took Luka, what, 7 seasons for him to get into proper shape? It's INSANE that it took that long, but you can get away with murder when you have the White hat.

We're like 17 years into the SupercoolBeas experiment and he's still getting his chit together.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.6 

Post#180 » by DayofMourning » Wed Jul 23, 2025 2:58 pm

Beasley will always be my favorite draft pick ever.

He was a superstar.

Head wasnt/isnt right though.

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