Official 2025 Offseason Thread

[Knightro]

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I would put a somewhat significant grain of salt on these numbers for the Magic guys considering Paolo who had a 33.6 USG% for the season missed all of November and December and half of January.

Pre Paolo injury
Franz: 25.7 USG%
Suggs: 24.5 USG%
Black: 14.5 USG%

During Paolo Injury
Franz: 32.1 USG%
Suggs: 27.1 USG%
Black: 19.3 USG%

Post Paolo Injury
Franz: 30.3 USG%
Suggs: DNP Injured
Black: 19.3 USG%

[Knightro]

But to that end... I am fascinated to see how things shake out from a USG perspective.

Paolo last year was 33.6% and Franz was at 31.0%.

Both of those figures are probably going to have to go down a little bit with Bane here as Bane will probably be in the 24-25% range, but he could also scale up into the 26-28% range too.

Is Suggs going to be content going back to being a sub 20 USG%? As long as they're winning games he probably will be fine with it (and less offensive burden means more maniacal defense you'd think), but you never know.

Black and Carter will both comfortably be sub 20 USG% too.

I would have to think one of the big three guys, probably Franz, will be spending a good amount of time as the primary option with 4 bench players.

You want a scenario where at least one of Paolo, Franz and Bane are always on the court.

[mattdelray1220]

But to that end... I am fascinated to see how things shake out from a USG perspective.

Paolo last year was 33.6% and Franz was at 31.0%.

Both of those figures are probably going to have to go down a little bit with Bane here as Bane will probably be in the 24-25% range, but he could also scale up into the 26-28% range too.

Is Suggs going to be content going back to being a sub 20 USG%? As long as they're winning games he probably will be fine with it (and less offensive burden means more maniacal defense you'd think), but you never know.

Black and Carter will both comfortably be sub 20 USG% too.

I would have to think one of the big three guys, probably Franz, will be spending a good amount of time as the primary option with 4 bench players.

You want a scenario where at least one of Paolo, Franz and Bane are always on the court.

Who is going to be the first off the bench then? Typically, Franz goes to the bench and comes in to lead that 2nd unit like you said. TDS?

We are going to have so many different combos that could work.

I like the idea of Tyus, Bane, Franz, JI, Moe. I feel like its so balanced and Franz can cook with that line up.

[sChOlaRlY_Magi]

If egos weren't so involved, I'd start Franz in the 2nd unit to let him pair with Moe.

[JoshuaPotter]

If egos weren't so involved, I'd start Franz in the 2nd unit to let him pair with Moe.

You would bring a max contract player off the bench?

[JoshuaPotter]

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I would put a somewhat significant grain of salt on these numbers for the Magic guys considering Paolo who had a 33.6 USG% for the season missed all of November and December and half of January.

Pre Paolo injury
Franz: 25.7 USG%
Suggs: 24.5 USG%
Black: 14.5 USG%

During Paolo Injury
Franz: 32.1 USG%
Suggs: 27.1 USG%
Black: 19.3 USG%

Post Paolo Injury
Franz: 30.3 USG%
Suggs: DNP Injured
Black: 19.3 USG%

Zero rose colored glasses from me. Anything regarding usage should be promptly ignored as we just don't have enough reliable data from last season. Really crossing my fingers though that the offense gets shared between the top 4 just enough that they can all equally focus on defense.

There is plenty of room for everyone to average 20ppg suggs at 15+ and even black / mo off the bench above 10. But at the same time, we also like a slow grind it out type of game plan so maybe we won't see these high of averages. We will really have to look at the data come January to see what was changed. (barring no injury)

[eyriq]

If egos weren't so involved, I'd start Franz in the 2nd unit to let him pair with Moe.

You've been hacked

[Knightro]

If egos weren't so involved, I'd start Franz in the 2nd unit to let him pair with Moe.

They can do this and still start him

[sChOlaRlY_Magi]

If egos weren't so involved, I'd start Franz in the 2nd unit to let him pair with Moe.

You would bring a max contract player off the bench?

Yes

[sChOlaRlY_Magi]

I think Franz and Mo player better with each other, and Paolo eats up the usage when he’s playing. Adding Bane and Suggs compounds that. Out of everyone named above, I think Franz is more of a team guy than anyone else. He would accept this before WCJ would accept Mo replacing him.


So I see it as a simple solution. If ego wasn’t involved. No way Franz’ camp allows for it. I get that part.

I’m just saying. It would even out the distribution.

[eyriq]

I think Franz and Mo player better with each other, and Paolo eats up the usage when he’s playing. Adding Bane and Suggs compounds that. Out of everyone named above, I think Franz is more of a team guy than anyone else. He would accept this before WCJ would accept Mo replacing him.


So I see it as a simple solution. If ego wasn’t involved. No way Franz’ camp allows for it. I get that part.

I’m just saying. It would even out the distribution.

It has nothing to do with ego

[Knightro]

I think Franz and Mo player better with each other, and Paolo eats up the usage when he’s playing. Adding Bane and Suggs compounds that. Out of everyone named above, I think Franz is more of a team guy than anyone else. He would accept this before WCJ would accept Mo replacing him.


So I see it as a simple solution. If ego wasn’t involved. No way Franz’ camp allows for it. I get that part.

I’m just saying. It would even out the distribution.

It has nothing to do with ego

If you bring a player off the bench, you're basically guaranteeing the most minutes they can reasonably play in a game is around 28 minutes because you're not going to bring them in for the first 6-ish minutes of each half.

Franz can play significant minutes with the 2nd unit *while also starting* and playing 33-35 MPG.

[BadMofoPimp]

If Suggs improves and Bane isn't done developing with Franz and Paolo reaching another level, this team could have upto 4 All-Star level players on one team which I have never witnessed before in Magicland. Truly, this could be an epic time to witness if it all pans out.

[RichCollab]

If Suggs improves and Bane isn't done developing with Franz and Paolo reaching another level, this team could have upto 4 All-Star level players on one team which I have never witnessed before in Magicland. Truly, this could be an epic time to witness if it all pans out.

4 all-stars and a broken down Jett

[BadMofoPimp]

If Suggs improves and Bane isn't done developing with Franz and Paolo reaching another level, this team could have upto 4 All-Star level players on one team which I have never witnessed before in Magicland. Truly, this could be an epic time to witness if it all pans out.

4 all-stars and a broken down Jett

Well, he can Jett on outta here!

Maybe he can learn basketball, but that has yet to be seen. If he can't do much the first half of season, he will be traded or let go by mid-season.

[magik9113]

team could have upto 4 All-Star level players on one team which I have never witnessed before in Magicland.

Dwight Jameer Hedo and Rashard, no?

[BadMofoPimp]

team could have upto 4 All-Star level players on one team which I have never witnessed before in Magicland.

Dwight Jameer Hedo and Rashard, no?

As much as I enjoyed Meer and Hedo (Hedo gonna provem all wrong!!! started that way back in 2007 or 2008), I think Suggs and Bane could be better. Hedo and Meer benefited from Stans gameplan as no other team could have gotten the return the Magic did here. Shard was solid at most things but wasn't great at anything. Real good defense. Current Magic just don't have an otherworldly talent like Dwight. Will see how Paolo develops.

[magik9113]

I certainly hope our current guys can do better! Yea the old crew benefited off the sheer dominance of Dwight, but Jameer and Rashard’s all star appearances surely qualify them as all-star level. I think we can argue Hedo was all star level…great passer, hit game winning shots, had a 17 assist game, ate lots of pizza…
Anywho, I love that we can already compare our current guys to one of our most successful cores

[jonbob17]

But to that end... I am fascinated to see how things shake out from a USG perspective.

Paolo last year was 33.6% and Franz was at 31.0%.

Both of those figures are probably going to have to go down a little bit with Bane here as Bane will probably be in the 24-25% range, but he could also scale up into the 26-28% range too.

Is Suggs going to be content going back to being a sub 20 USG%? As long as they're winning games he probably will be fine with it (and less offensive burden means more maniacal defense you'd think), but you never know.

Black and Carter will both comfortably be sub 20 USG% too.

I would have to think one of the big three guys, probably Franz, will be spending a good amount of time as the primary option with 4 bench players.

You want a scenario where at least one of Paolo, Franz and Bane are always on the court.

I'd kind of imagine all four of the other starters are going to fall a good bit even if there is a lot of injury noise in the statistics....with the idea that we have less bad possessions, and less bad shots or forced shots, hopefully less turnovers. I'd assume everyone's efficiency is going to improve with those changes. KCP 12% usage to Bane around 24% is a big change, or another way, Bane finishing 1 out of every 4 possessions to KCPs 1 of every 8...

Guess its kind of the whole point of adding bane. It was a move that should help out everyone on the floor, once everyone figures out their role.

[jonbob17]

If egos weren't so involved, I'd start Franz in the 2nd unit to let him pair with Moe.

You would bring a max contract player off the bench?

Yes

Minutes are minutes, and it shouldn't really matter as long as you maximize the best players minutes, but guys have to start in order to maximize their minutes otherwise they come in the 2nd unit and are tired when its time to close out the halves.

I think there is a way to stagger, like resting one or more starters early