2025 Offseason Thread Vol.6

HeatGuyInChicago · Post #181 » by **HeatGuyInChicago** » Wed Jul 23, 2025 3:02 pm

Beasley happen to be on my flight in first class to Miami during the pre-draft process. I found his mannerism to be of a small kid. He sat slouched. He was very causally dressed considering he was going on an interview. I was not sure if he was going to Chicago #1 or not at the time. His talent was undeniable. After the first impression, I thought in my mind, "I hope he grows up real fast." What do you expect from a 19 yr old?

Kobewade11 · Post #182 » by **Kobewade11** » Wed Jul 23, 2025 3:41 pm

HeatFanLifer wrote:How did Heat scouting mess up so bad that they could not see supercool bease was going to be a train wreck of a player? Who is held accountable when a #2 pick in the draft is a bust?

We're always looking for a pound of flesh but this is just the reality of the draft and why there's no guarantees with any pick. People wanted to tank the season for Markelle Fultz and look how his career panned out.

Enso · Post #183 » by **Enso** » Wed Jul 23, 2025 3:49 pm

HeatFanLifer wrote:How did Heat scouting mess up so bad that they could not see supercool bease was going to be a train wreck of a player? Who is held accountable when a #2 pick in the draft is a bust?

They felt like they had no choice but to draft him based on his talent

Tim_Hardawayy · Post #184 » by **Tim_Hardawayy** » Wed Jul 23, 2025 6:00 pm

Honestly Beasley's introspection into his career is fascinating because it largely echoes what people thought of him, "you have that much talent, how can you not be an all-time great?" Almost as if he's self aware enough to know what his potential was, and also kind of acknowledge that some of his failure to reach that level was on him, but not all of it. Which makes sense, you have to protect the ego to some degree.

More minutes or more leeway wasn't going to bring greatness out of him though, we saw that in Minnesota. He just didn't have the drive, and no it wasn't all weed, it goes beyond that, plenty of guys smoke and still push themselves. It just takes an extra level of dedication, and that's not easy to do, if it were every talented player would make the leap.

Michael Jordan and LeBron aren't goats because they were the most talented ever. They're goats because they're talented guys with legendary drive/motors. It takes both. There's plenty of guys in NBA history that could beat those guys 1v1 (hell Beasley claims he did with LeBron), but being able to show up every day and be a professional even when you don't feel like it or would rather relax and enjoy your fame and riches, is what allows you to produce every night.

Vertical Limit · Post #185 » by **Vertical Limit** » Wed Jul 23, 2025 6:13 pm

I was a big Beasley fan when he was in Kansas State, i actually wanted him over Rose lol i was way wrong about him.. he looked huge in college, he was able to dominate in the paint.. in the NBA playing against real size, he never got comfortable there, he never played well with contact in the nba..

There is that one video of him standing next to Durant and Beasley is claiming to be 6’11 when he is clearly much shorter than Durant.. durant checked him on that lie in the vid

I get the feeling we are going to see something similar with Cooper Flagg.. Cooper looked giant in duke.. at 6’8, and not very athletic.. we will see..

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ZoStrong · Post #188 » by **ZoStrong** » Wed Jul 23, 2025 6:50 pm

HeatFanLifer wrote:How did Heat scouting mess up so bad that they could not see supercool bease was going to be a train wreck of a player? Who is held accountable when a #2 pick in the draft is a bust?

You do know that EVERY team would've picked Beasley after Rose was gone at #1, right? There were two clearly superior talents and then a huge gap after them. It's not Heat messing up, it's just unlucky to be at the two spot at the wrong year.
Go look at his college games. He dominated college as a freshman.
It's possible if we were lower, we would've picked OJ Mayo. Wade really liked him and I think we scouted him heavily.

HeatFanLifer · Post #189 » by **HeatFanLifer** » Wed Jul 23, 2025 7:06 pm

ZoStrong wrote:
HeatFanLifer wrote:How did Heat scouting mess up so bad that they could not see supercool bease was going to be a train wreck of a player? Who is held accountable when a #2 pick in the draft is a bust?

You do know that EVERY team would've picked Beasley after Rose was gone at #1, right? There were two clearly superior talents and then a huge gap after them. It's not Heat messing up, it's just unlucky to be at the two spot at the wrong year.
Go look at his college games. He dominated college as a freshman.
It's possible if we were lower, we would've picked OJ Mayo. Wade really liked him and I think we scouted him heavily.

I remember when the same hype happened with Darko. How do execs keep falling for this ish?

ZoStrong · Post #190 » by **ZoStrong** » Wed Jul 23, 2025 7:15 pm

HeatFanLifer wrote:
ZoStrong wrote:
HeatFanLifer wrote:How did Heat scouting mess up so bad that they could not see supercool bease was going to be a train wreck of a player? Who is held accountable when a #2 pick in the draft is a bust?

You do know that EVERY team would've picked Beasley after Rose was gone at #1, right? There were two clearly superior talents and then a huge gap after them. It's not Heat messing up, it's just unlucky to be at the two spot at the wrong year.
Go look at his college games. He dominated college as a freshman.
It's possible if we were lower, we would've picked OJ Mayo. Wade really liked him and I think we scouted him heavily.

I remember when the same hype happened with Darko. How do execs keep falling for this ish?

Darko is different. He was a pure hype. No one really saw him competing like Beasley did for a whole year in college dominating. Darko just had all the amazing measureables. But IDK other than Detroit (who was a contender and was willing to develop him slowly) would have picked him over Carmelo or Bosh, both frehmen talents w huge upside. Wade was older, so he still get picked later than those 4

3ammy3uck3ts · Post #191 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Wed Jul 23, 2025 7:16 pm

Ovinton J’Anthony Mayo, he was supposed to be the big SG, I loved watching his high school highlights

lastb1ckman · Post #192 » by **lastb1ckman** » Wed Jul 23, 2025 7:31 pm

HeatFanLifer wrote:How did Heat scouting mess up so bad that they could not see supercool bease was going to be a train wreck of a player? Who is held accountable when a #2 pick in the draft is a bust?

Simply put, he was THAT talented. Beasley was probably going 2nd no matter who was picking.

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MartyConlonJr · Post #194 » by **MartyConlonJr** » Wed Jul 23, 2025 7:52 pm

lastb1ckman wrote:
HeatFanLifer wrote:How did Heat scouting mess up so bad that they could not see supercool bease was going to be a train wreck of a player? Who is held accountable when a #2 pick in the draft is a bust?

Simply put, he was THAT talented. Beasley was probably going 2nd no matter who was picking.

I thought there were rumours at the time that Miami might trade down for Mayo or Love, which obviously could have gone either way, with one flaming out and one becoming a superstar for a period. I asked AI and they think Westbrook was on Miami's radar though - I think that is a bit inferred from comments about him being the best player of the draft, not necessarily that they knew.

I do think Mayo's issues could have been better handled at the Heat, he could have panned out better with strong leadership.

HeatFanLifer · Post #195 » by **HeatFanLifer** » Wed Jul 23, 2025 8:42 pm

MartyConlonJr wrote:
lastb1ckman wrote:
HeatFanLifer wrote:How did Heat scouting mess up so bad that they could not see supercool bease was going to be a train wreck of a player? Who is held accountable when a #2 pick in the draft is a bust?

Simply put, he was THAT talented. Beasley was probably going 2nd no matter who was picking.

I thought there were rumours at the time that Miami might trade down for Mayo or Love, which obviously could have gone either way, with one flaming out and one becoming a superstar for a period. I asked AI and they think Westbrook was on Miami's radar though - I think that is a bit inferred from comments about him being the best player of the draft, not necessarily that they knew.

I do think Mayo's issues could have been better handled at the Heat, he could have panned out better with strong leadership.

If there was a culture to give Beasley some structure, this was it. There was not a better group of leadership at the time than Riley, Spo, Wade, Haslem, with the Spurs equally well run. Beasley was not a hungry player and I am surprised no scout picked up on that.

vagelis · Post #196 » by **vagelis** » Wed Jul 23, 2025 9:21 pm

Beasley had no basketball reasons to fail.

The coaches didn't like him because of his character imo.

He is right to say that coaches didn't use him as much he deserved.

But the coaches may also were right to not like him as a person.

We may like him (watching him from tv) but it is hard to cooporate with a person like Beasley (not a bad person but so immature)

I was a Heat fan (because of Wade) when Beasley came to the league and I liked his game a lot as a rookie.
His talent deserved a better carreer.

lastb1ckman · Post #197 » by **lastb1ckman** » Wed Jul 23, 2025 10:08 pm

HeatFanLifer wrote:
MartyConlonJr wrote:
lastb1ckman wrote:
Simply put, he was THAT talented. Beasley was probably going 2nd no matter who was picking.

I thought there were rumours at the time that Miami might trade down for Mayo or Love, which obviously could have gone either way, with one flaming out and one becoming a superstar for a period. I asked AI and they think Westbrook was on Miami's radar though - I think that is a bit inferred from comments about him being the best player of the draft, not necessarily that they knew.

I do think Mayo's issues could have been better handled at the Heat, he could have panned out better with strong leadership.

If there was a culture to give Beasley some structure, this was it. There was not a better group of leadership at the time than Riley, Spo, Wade, Haslem, with the Spurs equally well run. Beasley was not a hungry player and I am surprised no scout picked up on that.

An efficient 26 & 12 from a 6'9 freshman forward will blind you to a lot lol

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Tim_Hardawayy · Post #199 » by **Tim_Hardawayy** » Wed Jul 23, 2025 10:50 pm

vagelis wrote:Beasley had no basketball reasons to fail.

The coaches didn't like him because of his character imo.

He is right to say that coaches didn't use him as much he deserved.

But the coaches may also were right to not like him as a person.

We may like him (watching him from tv) but it is hard to cooporate with a person like Beasley (not a bad person but so immature)

I was a Heat fan (because of Wade) when Beasley came to the league and I liked his game a lot as a rookie.
His talent deserved a better carreer.

This is overstating his actual production. Its not like he was dominating games and being benched. If you look at his advanced numbers, he was often a net negative, and surprisingly sometimes moreso on the offensive than defensive end. Very inefficient scorer, turnover prone, low assists... he could make really difficult shots occasionally, but who at the NBA level can't do that?

I don't want to hate on Beasley, but to say he had no basketball reasons to fail is to give him credit he probably doesn't deserve. Your description better fits someone like a Demarcus Cousins, who actually did dominate the league statistically at one point, than it does Beasley.

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