Josh Giddey Thread 2.0

[Jvaughn]

This board is so funny. At the beginning of the summer, everyone was confident in signing Giddey. As time went on, the pessimism set in. Now you've got people claiming we shouldn't resign him, and we'll be fine without him. The cope is crazy here.

[TheJordanRule]

This board is so funny. At the beginning of the summer, everyone was confident in signing Giddey. As time went on, the pessimism set in. Now you've got people claiming we shouldn't resign him, and we'll be fine without him. The cope is crazy here.

It comes across as a touch of insanity. How are we gonna be fine without our primary playmaker? Even if we steel man the argument and assume that Giddey's numbers at the end of the season were only like Lauri's February numbers with us that one year, it indicates that there's something there. Something useful that the other teams were able to find in Lauri after we let him go.

[jnrjr79]

This board is so funny. At the beginning of the summer, everyone was confident in signing Giddey. As time went on, the pessimism set in. Now you've got people claiming we shouldn't resign him, and we'll be fine without him. The cope is crazy here.

I basically find this to be a totally inaccurate characterization of the board. Very few people are freaking out. Most all understand it’s super common for these things to take time. Those that don’t want Giddey back never did. And there are very few of those people, The vast majority of people seem to want him back and are comfortable with the Bulls not overpaying.

[Dez]

I hope they freaking come to a mutually agreeable solution. The bulls, face it, are tied to Giddey. JUST ARE. Giddey, face it, is just mostly tied to the Bulls. JUST IS.

2 or 3 years from now, OPTIMALLY, the Bulls COULD (note, I said COULD...it give me an out)....BE GOOD. I can see Giddey being a key part of that

He's better than many on this board argue.

Make a deal.

There is an argument that the Bulls, by letting this go on (i.e. give Giddey's agent time to find another team to offer a higher deal), are doing Giddey a bit of a favor.

No there isn't, teams aren't going to all of a sudden decide they want to offer Giddey a bigger deal now.

That would have happened already.

[sco]

I hope they freaking come to a mutually agreeable solution. The bulls, face it, are tied to Giddey. JUST ARE. Giddey, face it, is just mostly tied to the Bulls. JUST IS.

2 or 3 years from now, OPTIMALLY, the Bulls COULD (note, I said COULD...it give me an out)....BE GOOD. I can see Giddey being a key part of that

He's better than many on this board argue.

Make a deal.

There is an argument that the Bulls, by letting this go on (i.e. give Giddey's agent time to find another team to offer a higher deal), are doing Giddey a bit of a favor.

No there isn't, teams aren't going to all of a sudden decide they want to offer Giddey a bigger deal now.

That would have happened already.

Sure, but I'm sure that's why the Bulls were ok with it.

[MGB8]

4 year contract, 23.85 - 25.75 - 27.80 - 30 - BUT - year 3 only 3 M guaranteed, and year 4 is PO, but only 3 M guaranteed. Provides protection to both the Bulls and Giddey - if he earns his 30, he gets it, if he out performs, he can opt out - but if he sucks, Bulls can cut bait after year 2 with only partial harm (or after year 3).

[Red8911]

I hope they freaking come to a mutually agreeable solution. The bulls, face it, are tied to Giddey. JUST ARE. Giddey, face it, is just mostly tied to the Bulls. JUST IS.

2 or 3 years from now, OPTIMALLY, the Bulls COULD (note, I said COULD...it give me an out)....BE GOOD. I can see Giddey being a key part of that

He's better than many on this board argue.

Make a deal.

There is an argument that the Bulls, by letting this go on (i.e. give Giddey's agent time to find another team to offer a higher deal), are doing Giddey a bit of a favor.

No there isn't, teams aren't going to all of a sudden decide they want to offer Giddey a bigger deal now.

That would have happened already.

Yeah exactly it’s been almost a month, anyone who is interested in Giddey would have made an offer already to him and the bulls for a sign/trade within the first week.

[DeniBuck]

My advice to Giddey is take the QO and wait for Washington to roll out the red carpet next year. His national coach is an assistant at the wizards, they have no major resignings next year and have only $80m on their books going forward. The guy averages almost a triple double post all star weekend, he’s only 22, and guys like playing with him (ask anyone at OKC and the Bulls).

Bulls will be left with having to offer Coby a Levine like contract to remain mediocre.

[sco]

https://www.spotrac.com/news/_/id/2912/eastern-conference-summer-league-notes

On a somewhat quiet offseason: “I won’t say it was by design. But we knew we weren’t likely to make any blockbuster moves either. But we’re happy with what we did and we’re still actively looking at other options too,” a Bulls front office executive said.

On Josh Giddey: “We want to get a deal done with Josh. He’s as important of a player as we have. We see him as a foundational player for us. I hope we can find a deal that makes sense for us and him and that we’ll be together for a long time,” a Bulls front office executive said.

On Matas Buzelis: “He’s going to be really, really good. He wants it so damn bad. This kid pushes himself so hard. And you see that on the floor too. But it’s the quiet moments when you see him work. He’s wildly intense about getting better and improving,” a Bulls coach said.

On the roster as a whole: “Last year, we played pretty fast. I think we can play even faster next season. Our roster is built for it. And you saw with Indiana and OKC in the Finals, that playing with pace is so important. We’re going to get after it on defense, force turnovers and then get out and run. That suits Matas (Buzelis) and Noa (Essengue) as our young forwards and all of our guards really well. We also think that Isaac (Okoro) will benefit in a more up-tempo style too. There’s untapped potential there,” a Bulls coach said.

On Coby White: “The contract is what it is. We probably can’t extend him, because the rules don’t allow for us to pay him enough,” a Bulls front office executive said. “But we want Coby to be a Bull for a long time. He knows how we feel about him.”

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[drosestruts]

I wonder if restricted free-agency will undergo changes in the next CBA.

[Ccwatercraft]

Hypothetically... giddy takes qo for 11.

Doesn't that.free up substantial amounts we can absorb.via trade and or use the tpe?

We'd have Josh for 1 year on a bargain while he plays for his next contract, could use the space to upgrade elsewhere, and who knows... if he balls out, we could still offer him over 30... and essentially get him on a good average because we stole him in 2025 cheap. Now maybe feelings are hurt and he won't entertain an offer, or maybe he decides we have something here.

[cocktailswith_2short]

If he takes the qo he's as good as gone Imo.

[ScrantonBulls]

Keep playing hardball with him. The sample size isn't big enough to warrant a big contract. He's a regression candidate. Getting him on a friendly deal and him continuing to improve would be huge. Having great players on friendly contracts is how you win chips.

[Infinity2152]

Can somebody please explain why regression keeps getting applied to Giddey? He's literally improved every single year and he's 22. Why is he more of a regression possibility than any other free agent signing a contract? Couldn't any player regress? And it's more likely with 32-year-old players than 22?

How is a 22 year old who's been improving year over year not less likely to regress than the average NBA player (average age is 26)? He was putting up triple doubles at 18, he's more efficient now. Is he not?

Whole reason teams pay a premium for young players is they're more likely to improve during the contract. I could see if guys were talking about Vucevic regressing.

Giddey's paying for the Pat Will contract, imo. If the Bull signed Pat to a $10 mill AAV contract, paying Giddey market value wouldn't seem nearly as risky.

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see, now this is what an insulting offer looks like

[HomoSapien]

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[Indomitable]

I hope they freaking come to a mutually agreeable solution. The bulls, face it, are tied to Giddey. JUST ARE. Giddey, face it, is just mostly tied to the Bulls. JUST IS.

2 or 3 years from now, OPTIMALLY, the Bulls COULD (note, I said COULD...it give me an out)....BE GOOD. I can see Giddey being a key part of that

He's better than many on this board argue.

Make a deal.

There is an argument that the Bulls, by letting this go on (i.e. give Giddey's agent time to find another team to offer a higher deal), are doing Giddey a bit of a favor.

No there isn't, teams aren't going to all of a sudden decide they want to offer Giddey a bigger deal now.

That would have happened already.

There's no cap space in the league. Where will he go

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the first words out of his mouth as he began this segment were "with josh giddey, i really don't have a strong feel as to what his side is ultimately going to do, what chicago's side is ultimately going to do", so it's not really a particularly substantive update. (this segment was also 25 minutes into a free livestream as opposed to posted to his paywalled scoops website, which is another sign that it's basically a non-update update.)

the gist of what he said was that he doesn't know what either side is gonna do, giddey could take the qo but that doesn't really seem like a situation the bulls would want themselves to land in after the caruso trade, "last time i spoke to someone on the phone i heard it wasn't the most amicable situation" [no context for when this conversation took place], noted he wasn't with the team during summer league, summed up the situation as a standoff that will take some time to resolve, expects him to be with the bulls one way or another next year

[Red8911]

Looks like Giddeys camp is unofficially threatening to take the QO hoping the bulls will budge and increase their offer.