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[daoneandonly]

what about this? celtics are rimored to be interested in J. Ivey

Are you seriously offering a negative overpaid Simons and throwaway seconds for Ivey?

19.3 ppg 4.8 apg for a player under expiring contract is not a bad deal, imho

He's not a winning basketball player and his D is nonexistent. This deal is beyond bad for Detroit. Rj Barrett is overpaid and extremely flawed

[tester551]

Are you seriously offering a negative overpaid Simons and throwaway seconds for Ivey?

19.3 ppg 4.8 apg for a player under expiring contract is not a bad deal, imho

He's not a winning basketball player and his D is nonexistent. This deal is beyond bad for Detroit. Rj Barrett is overpaid and extremely flawed

Yeah - This is not close for Detroit.

Celtics take this and run to the bank.
Pistons take it in the shorts.
Raptors - this is fine for.
Nets - this is good, but not sure they want to take on Stewart's contract.

[Godaddycurse]

Are you seriously offering a negative overpaid Simons and throwaway seconds for Ivey?

19.3 ppg 4.8 apg for a player under expiring contract is not a bad deal, imho

He's not a winning basketball player and his D is nonexistent. This deal is beyond bad for Detroit. Rj Barrett is overpaid and extremely flawed

Thats an exaggeration. agree he is overpaid but was still a (minor) positive impact player last year despite being forced to be 1st option. His defense was subpar but nowhere near the level of simons bad. his problem is more so he's not particularly elite in any areas as Chuck mentioned in the past.

[babyjax13]

Are you seriously offering a negative overpaid Simons and throwaway seconds for Ivey?

19.3 ppg 4.8 apg for a player under expiring contract is not a bad deal, imho

He's not a winning basketball player and his D is nonexistent. This deal is beyond bad for Detroit. Rj Barrett is overpaid and extremely flawed

I was thinking of a kind of similar framework for a Lauri to Detroit trade. Still needs some work, but...

DET trades: Tobias Harris, Jaden Ivey, 2028 DET 1st, 2 2nds
in: Lauri

BOS trades: Anfernee Simons, 2026 BOS 1st (1-5 protected, unprotected), 2 2nds(?)
in: Ivey

UTA trades: Lauri Markkanen
in: Simons (TPE), Harris, 2026 BOS 1st (1-5 protected, unprotected), 2028 DET 1st, 4 2nds


I think it needs teams for Simons and Harris, though. I think that value from those pieces being swapped for worse contracts/players is where a Lauri trade could be made acceptable.

[daoneandonly]

19.3 ppg 4.8 apg for a player under expiring contract is not a bad deal, imho

He's not a winning basketball player and his D is nonexistent. This deal is beyond bad for Detroit. Rj Barrett is overpaid and extremely flawed

I was thinking of a kind of similar framework for a Lauri to Detroit trade. Still needs some work, but...

DET trades: Tobias Harris, Jaden Ivey, 2028 DET 1st, 2 2nds
in: Lauri

BOS trades: Anfernee Simons, 2026 BOS 1st (1-5 protected, unprotected), 2 2nds(?)
in: Ivey

UTA trades: Lauri Markkanen
in: Simons (TPE), Harris, 2026 BOS 1st (1-5 protected, unprotected), 2028 DET 1st, 4 2nds


I think it needs teams for Simons and Harris, though. I think that value from those pieces being swapped for worse contracts/players is where a Lauri trade could be made acceptable.

Funny thing I actually wanted an Ivey/picks/Harris centered package for AD. But with Simone's salary going out in the Mia trade, no longer financially realistic. Not too mention Nico being too much of an ego maniac to do what's most sensible

[tmorgan]

19.3 ppg 4.8 apg for a player under expiring contract is not a bad deal, imho

He's not a winning basketball player and his D is nonexistent. This deal is beyond bad for Detroit. Rj Barrett is overpaid and extremely flawed

I was thinking of a kind of similar framework for a Lauri to Detroit trade. Still needs some work, but...

DET trades: Tobias Harris, Jaden Ivey, 2028 DET 1st, 2 2nds
in: Lauri

BOS trades: Anfernee Simons, 2026 BOS 1st (1-5 protected, unprotected), 2 2nds(?)
in: Ivey

UTA trades: Lauri Markkanen
in: Simons (TPE), Harris, 2026 BOS 1st (1-5 protected, unprotected), 2028 DET 1st, 4 2nds


I think it needs teams for Simons and Harris, though. I think that value from those pieces being swapped for worse contracts/players is where a Lauri trade could be made acceptable.

I’d do the Detroit part of this for Markkanen, but others might not. It obviously heavily depends on what you think Ivey’s ceiling is. I’m not that optimistic, but others are.

This deal puts Boston’s gap year in a really odd position, though. They are going to regress quite a bit, but they certainly aren’t going to have the worst record in the league to guarantee that pick doesn’t convey. So what happens? Either they pray to the lotto gods or immediately pivot to doing their best, because there’s no tank reward, just Ivey. That lowers Utah’s return, probably to a late teens pick at best. A team with that many quality players (Brown, White, Pritchard, Ivey, Hauser) isn’t going to finish under .500 in the East, even with weak bigs.

Oh, and absolutely HELL NO to Ivey and Stewart for RJ Barrett and seconds. Just awful.

[babyjax13]

He's not a winning basketball player and his D is nonexistent. This deal is beyond bad for Detroit. Rj Barrett is overpaid and extremely flawed

I was thinking of a kind of similar framework for a Lauri to Detroit trade. Still needs some work, but...

DET trades: Tobias Harris, Jaden Ivey, 2028 DET 1st, 2 2nds
in: Lauri

BOS trades: Anfernee Simons, 2026 BOS 1st (1-5 protected, unprotected), 2 2nds(?)
in: Ivey

UTA trades: Lauri Markkanen
in: Simons (TPE), Harris, 2026 BOS 1st (1-5 protected, unprotected), 2028 DET 1st, 4 2nds


I think it needs teams for Simons and Harris, though. I think that value from those pieces being swapped for worse contracts/players is where a Lauri trade could be made acceptable.

I’d do the Detroit part of this for Markkanen, but others might not. It obviously heavily depends on what you think Ivey’s ceiling is. I’m not that optimistic, but others are.

This deal puts Boston’s gap year in a really odd position, though. They are going to regress quite a bit, but they certainly aren’t going to have the worst record in the league to guarantee that pick doesn’t convey. So what happens? Either they pray to the lotto gods or immediately pivot to doing their best, because there’s no tank reward, just Ivey. That lowers Utah’s return, probably to a late teens pick at best. A team with that many quality players (Brown, White, Pritchard, Ivey, Hauser) isn’t going to finish under .500 in the East, even with weak bigs.

Oh, and absolutely HELL NO to Ivey and Stewart for RJ Barrett and seconds. Just awful.

My basic thought for Boston is that Ivey and the immediate salary relief are probably worth giving up the 10th to 18th pick in the draft, but you obviously can't risk missing out on the highest end talent (right now ot looks like a clear top 4, but it could shake out differently). I think the protections there are enough risk protection to be reasonable for Boston, while having enough potential upside to be worth the gamble for Utah (e.g. say Brown plays 60 games, maybe that is enough for it to be the 10th pick).

[SlimShady83]

Q) Why hasn't any team picked up Bol Bol?

He is a free agent unless I'm missing something

Is he injured or something??

[Mavrelous]

Q) Why hasn't any team picked up Bol Bol?

He is a free agent unless I'm missing something

Is he injured or something??

No, he's not really a useful rotation player, just a gimmick, and got old...

[Mavrelous]

Slovenian report that Luka is extending

Read on Twitter

[brackdan70]

19.3 ppg 4.8 apg for a player under expiring contract is not a bad deal, imho

He's not a winning basketball player and his D is nonexistent. This deal is beyond bad for Detroit. Rj Barrett is overpaid and extremely flawed

I was thinking of a kind of similar framework for a Lauri to Detroit trade. Still needs some work, but...

DET trades: Tobias Harris, Jaden Ivey, 2028 DET 1st, 2 2nds
in: Lauri

BOS trades: Anfernee Simons, 2026 BOS 1st (1-5 protected, unprotected), 2 2nds(?)
in: Ivey

UTA trades: Lauri Markkanen
in: Simons (TPE), Harris, 2026 BOS 1st (1-5 protected, unprotected), 2028 DET 1st, 4 2nds


I think it needs teams for Simons and Harris, though. I think that value from those pieces being swapped for worse contracts/players is where a Lauri trade could be made acceptable.

I don’t like this one for Boston.
The difference between Simons and Ivey isn’t a really good pick imo.
For 2026/27 and beyond Ivey probably costs more than Simons and than pick so there is no real salary savings beyond this season…just not worth it imo.

[zimpy27]

Seems to be that a legit Slovenian newspaper article has said that Doncic will fly back to LA to sign a 4-year deal with Lakers before the eurobasket. Expecting he signs August 2nd or 3rd.

Amazing news for Lakers.


Obvious downside is the sycophant Pelinka will never be fired as long as gifts keep falling in his lap.

[babyjax13]

He's not a winning basketball player and his D is nonexistent. This deal is beyond bad for Detroit. Rj Barrett is overpaid and extremely flawed

I was thinking of a kind of similar framework for a Lauri to Detroit trade. Still needs some work, but...

DET trades: Tobias Harris, Jaden Ivey, 2028 DET 1st, 2 2nds
in: Lauri

BOS trades: Anfernee Simons, 2026 BOS 1st (1-5 protected, unprotected), 2 2nds(?)
in: Ivey

UTA trades: Lauri Markkanen
in: Simons (TPE), Harris, 2026 BOS 1st (1-5 protected, unprotected), 2028 DET 1st, 4 2nds


I think it needs teams for Simons and Harris, though. I think that value from those pieces being swapped for worse contracts/players is where a Lauri trade could be made acceptable.

I don’t like this one for Boston.
The difference between Simons and Ivey isn’t a really good pick imo.
For 2026/27 and beyond Ivey probably costs more than Simons and than pick so there is no real salary savings beyond this season…just not worth it imo.

I think Ivey is a bit better, but it is mainly about getting out of the tax and setting up a friendlier financial future. I think Ivey will be cheaper than Simons is this year for two reasons:

1. scoring combo guards seemingly have zero real trade value on the market
2. the RFA market is really depressed

That said, I can totally see Boston preferring to duck the tax next year and see what they get in the lottery, or to wait until they know where the pick lands & do a consolidation trade on draft day. I also do not envision them keeping Simons.

[brackdan70]

I was thinking of a kind of similar framework for a Lauri to Detroit trade. Still needs some work, but...

DET trades: Tobias Harris, Jaden Ivey, 2028 DET 1st, 2 2nds
in: Lauri

BOS trades: Anfernee Simons, 2026 BOS 1st (1-5 protected, unprotected), 2 2nds(?)
in: Ivey

UTA trades: Lauri Markkanen
in: Simons (TPE), Harris, 2026 BOS 1st (1-5 protected, unprotected), 2028 DET 1st, 4 2nds


I think it needs teams for Simons and Harris, though. I think that value from those pieces being swapped for worse contracts/players is where a Lauri trade could be made acceptable.

I don’t like this one for Boston.
The difference between Simons and Ivey isn’t a really good pick imo.
For 2026/27 and beyond Ivey probably costs more than Simons and than pick so there is no real salary savings beyond this season…just not worth it imo.

I think Ivey is a bit better, but it is mainly about getting out of the tax and setting up a friendlier financial future. I think Ivey will be cheaper than Simons is this year for two reasons:

1. scoring combo guards seemingly have zero real trade value on the market
2. the RFA market is really depressed

That said, I can totally see Boston preferring to duck the tax next year and see what they get in the lottery, or to wait until they know where the pick lands & do a consolidation trade on draft day. I also do not envision them keeping Simons.

It doesn’t get them out of the tax though and likely makes it harder to get out of the tax next year.
If you think Ivey is better, why do you think he will make less? Because he’s an RFA?
Your choices are Ivey, Simons and 2026 pick, or the 2026 pick, or none of the above. What do you chose? For me it’s easily one of the choices that includes the pick.

[babyjax13]

I don’t like this one for Boston.
The difference between Simons and Ivey isn’t a really good pick imo.
For 2026/27 and beyond Ivey probably costs more than Simons and than pick so there is no real salary savings beyond this season…just not worth it imo.

I think Ivey is a bit better, but it is mainly about getting out of the tax and setting up a friendlier financial future. I think Ivey will be cheaper than Simons is this year for two reasons:

1. scoring combo guards seemingly have zero real trade value on the market
2. the RFA market is really depressed

That said, I can totally see Boston preferring to duck the tax next year and see what they get in the lottery, or to wait until they know where the pick lands & do a consolidation trade on draft day. I also do not envision them keeping Simons.

It doesn’t get them out of the tax though and likely makes it harder to get out of the tax next year.
If you think Ivey is better, why do you think he will make less? Because he’s an RFA?
Your choices are Ivey, Simons and 2026 pick, or the 2026 pick, or none of the above. What do you chose? For me it’s easily one of the choices that includes the pick.

-17.57 million in salaries for Boston this year, so about 2.5 million off (oops). It can be made to get them under, they could send Niang or Hauser into Utah's TPE.

But yah, if you prefer to keep the pick then that is conversation over for Boston, and I think that is perfectly reasonable.

[daoneandonly]

Thought about just flat out not going to work today, even though they pay me probably more than im worth. But then I remembered, im not Anthony Davis, I dont have such luxuries.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe Lu can sign an extension this summer to add 3 years and 83 million (25.5/27.5/29.75) which is 140% of his salary.

Or does the team option pose an issue in the last year/ does it just make more sense to decline his TO next summer and resign him then?

After watching some Dort highlights from the playoff run, I want to figure out how to keep him. Though he is a likely cap casualty. Won’t be able to keep both him and Cason I don’t think.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Thought about just flat out not going to work today, even though they pay me probably more than im worth. But then I remembered, im not Anthony Davis, I dont have such luxuries.

Dear Manager,

I’m questionable with soreness today. Likely to be downgraded to doubtful shortly.

[DanishLakerFan]

Lebron for KAT?

[enzino]

Lebron for KAT?

it makes sense for bothe teams. NYK move Mitchell Robinson in the starting five, LAL get their bigman