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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#241 » by JujitsuFlip » Mon Jul 21, 2025 2:06 pm

toooskies wrote:
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toooskies wrote:It’s more that it’s hard to pay an 11th man $7m a year. Nance may have jumped him in the rotation.
Idk if i agree with any of that.

Nance is a 5 who can play some 4. Wade is a 4 who can play some 3 and last season did an awful job playing some 5.

1. Mitchell
2. Mobley
3. Garland
4. Allen
5. Strus
6. Hunter
7. Merrill
8. Ball (played 70 games total in 4 years)
9. LNJ (averaged 49 games per season since leaving the Cavs)
10. ?

I fail to see who is in front of Wade for spot 10 in Kenny's rotation. Unless you believe we're going to sign whoever in spot 14 to take his minutes. Also, Wade only makes 4% of the team salary cap... That is absolute peanuts.

If he’s the 10th man and not the 11th man, fine. But with my summer league glasses on I think Tyson will push him for minutes at the 3. Tyson has more offensive chops and the Cavs have an interest in seeing what they have in him, while Wade is a known commodity at this point.

I think Nance is more of a 4 than a 5 and we could still be looking for a 5.

Not that I want to part with Wade but Gilbert probably only wants to pay guys who are going to play in the postseason.
Nance has played 75% of his minutes at the 5 since leaving the Cavs. I'd say he projects to be an undersized 5, almost exclusively at this point in his career.

If Tyson can beat out Wade for slot 10 in Kenny's rotation, that's great but it means Hunter needs to receive a lion's share of his minutes at 4 off the bench.
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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#242 » by toooskies » Mon Jul 21, 2025 6:46 pm

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toooskies wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:Idk if i agree with any of that.

Nance is a 5 who can play some 4. Wade is a 4 who can play some 3 and last season did an awful job playing some 5.

1. Mitchell
2. Mobley
3. Garland
4. Allen
5. Strus
6. Hunter
7. Merrill
8. Ball (played 70 games total in 4 years)
9. LNJ (averaged 49 games per season since leaving the Cavs)
10. ?

I fail to see who is in front of Wade for spot 10 in Kenny's rotation. Unless you believe we're going to sign whoever in spot 14 to take his minutes. Also, Wade only makes 4% of the team salary cap... That is absolute peanuts.

If he’s the 10th man and not the 11th man, fine. But with my summer league glasses on I think Tyson will push him for minutes at the 3. Tyson has more offensive chops and the Cavs have an interest in seeing what they have in him, while Wade is a known commodity at this point.

I think Nance is more of a 4 than a 5 and we could still be looking for a 5.

Not that I want to part with Wade but Gilbert probably only wants to pay guys who are going to play in the postseason.
Nance has played 75% of his minutes at the 5 since leaving the Cavs. I'd say he projects to be an undersized 5, almost exclusively at this point in his career.

If Tyson can beat out Wade for slot 10 in Kenny's rotation, that's great but it means Hunter needs to receive a lion's share of his minutes at 4 off the bench.

I think Nance having played C is more about the rosters Nance has been on rather than where he'd play the best. NOP didn't have a backup C, for instance. If he's playing with JA or Mobley I'd call him the 4.

Hunter might get moved to the starting 3.
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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#243 » by JujitsuFlip » Mon Jul 21, 2025 7:47 pm

toooskies wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:
toooskies wrote:If he’s the 10th man and not the 11th man, fine. But with my summer league glasses on I think Tyson will push him for minutes at the 3. Tyson has more offensive chops and the Cavs have an interest in seeing what they have in him, while Wade is a known commodity at this point.

I think Nance is more of a 4 than a 5 and we could still be looking for a 5.

Not that I want to part with Wade but Gilbert probably only wants to pay guys who are going to play in the postseason.
Nance has played 75% of his minutes at the 5 since leaving the Cavs. I'd say he projects to be an undersized 5, almost exclusively at this point in his career.

If Tyson can beat out Wade for slot 10 in Kenny's rotation, that's great but it means Hunter needs to receive a lion's share of his minutes at 4 off the bench.

I think Nance having played C is more about the rosters Nance has been on rather than where he'd play the best. NOP didn't have a backup C, for instance. If he's playing with JA or Mobley I'd call him the 4.

Hunter might get moved to the starting 3.
You can call Nance whatever, he can't replicate what Hunter or Wade do at the 4, at this point in his career. I look at him as the Kardashian, Lopez, Davis role from that past 4 seasons; especially if we're trying to preserve him until April.

Hunter cannot start with the core 4. He proved he can't be lower than the 3rd option on offense. That's why he plays a lot of minutes with Mobley/Mitchell once Garland and Allen go to the bench. He even played a decent amount of minutes with Garland/Allen once Mobley and Mitchell are on the bench but he does not do as well in those instances.

Trust me, body type wise, i thought we found our starting SF when we traded for him but his play style just isn't a good fit with the core 4. He's not willing to rebound and pass, which are the 2 things that the core4 need with them. The little things are what is needed from a 'glue' guy.

We got rid of Ty and to a lesser extent Okoro because we know that Hunter can be our 6th man off the bench.
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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#244 » by toooskies » Tue Jul 22, 2025 4:35 pm

JujitsuFlip wrote:
toooskies wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:Nance has played 75% of his minutes at the 5 since leaving the Cavs. I'd say he projects to be an undersized 5, almost exclusively at this point in his career.

If Tyson can beat out Wade for slot 10 in Kenny's rotation, that's great but it means Hunter needs to receive a lion's share of his minutes at 4 off the bench.

I think Nance having played C is more about the rosters Nance has been on rather than where he'd play the best. NOP didn't have a backup C, for instance. If he's playing with JA or Mobley I'd call him the 4.

Hunter might get moved to the starting 3.
You can call Nance whatever, he can't replicate what Hunter or Wade do at the 4, at this point in his career. I look at him as the Kardashian, Lopez, Davis role from that past 4 seasons; especially if we're trying to preserve him until April.

Hunter cannot start with the core 4. He proved he can't be lower than the 3rd option on offense. That's why he plays a lot of minutes with Mobley/Mitchell once Garland and Allen go to the bench. He even played a decent amount of minutes with Garland/Allen once Mobley and Mitchell are on the bench but he does not do as well in those instances.

Trust me, body type wise, i thought we found our starting SF when we traded for him but his play style just isn't a good fit with the core 4. He's not willing to rebound and pass, which are the 2 things that the core4 need with them. The little things are what is needed from a 'glue' guy.

We got rid of Ty and to a lesser extent Okoro because we know that Hunter can be our 6th man off the bench.

We got rid of Jerome and Okoro because they are one-way players who weren't reliable in the playoffs and they cost money we don't really have. Ball can do either or both of their jobs as backup PG and POA defender.

I'm not sure we need rebounding and passing in the starting lineup-- Mobley and Allen handle rebounding pretty well, and the other four starters are good passers. Hunter has the tools to be a better defender than Strus, and with Okoro gone we need him to focus on it, not on his offensive game.

Strus's passing may be more valuable in bench units to keep the offense flowing. Strus and Merrill together running off screens would make the other team work hard on defense when they're out there at the same time.

With another deep roster, we have a lot of options, particularly if Tyson is living in the gym and earning a rotation role as the reporting from Summer League suggests. Or if Tomlin is ready for some spot minutes.

I wouldn't be surprised if we stick with Strus at starting 3 but we have the optionality to play in a lot of different ways. We've got five guys we could conceivably play at the 3 in Strus, Hunter, Tyson, Ball, Wade. (yes, Ball is mostly going to be the backup point, but he's comfortable off-ball and has the size to play up if we need him as POA defender next to the guards.)
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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#245 » by JujitsuFlip » Tue Jul 22, 2025 6:33 pm

toooskies wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:
toooskies wrote:I think Nance having played C is more about the rosters Nance has been on rather than where he'd play the best. NOP didn't have a backup C, for instance. If he's playing with JA or Mobley I'd call him the 4.

Hunter might get moved to the starting 3.
You can call Nance whatever, he can't replicate what Hunter or Wade do at the 4, at this point in his career. I look at him as the Kardashian, Lopez, Davis role from that past 4 seasons; especially if we're trying to preserve him until April.

Hunter cannot start with the core 4. He proved he can't be lower than the 3rd option on offense. That's why he plays a lot of minutes with Mobley/Mitchell once Garland and Allen go to the bench. He even played a decent amount of minutes with Garland/Allen once Mobley and Mitchell are on the bench but he does not do as well in those instances.

Trust me, body type wise, i thought we found our starting SF when we traded for him but his play style just isn't a good fit with the core 4. He's not willing to rebound and pass, which are the 2 things that the core4 need with them. The little things are what is needed from a 'glue' guy.

We got rid of Ty and to a lesser extent Okoro because we know that Hunter can be our 6th man off the bench.

We got rid of Jerome and Okoro because they are one-way players who weren't reliable in the playoffs and they cost money we don't really have. Ball can do either or both of their jobs as backup PG and POA defender.

I'm not sure we need rebounding and passing in the starting lineup-- Mobley and Allen handle rebounding pretty well, and the other four starters are good passers. Hunter has the tools to be a better defender than Strus, and with Okoro gone we need him to focus on it, not on his offensive game.

Strus' passing may be more valuable in bench units to keep the offense flowing. Strus and Merrill together running off screens would make the other team work hard on defense when they're out there at the same time.

With another deep roster, we have a lot of options, particularly if Tyson is living in the gym and earning a rotation role as the reporting from Summer League suggests. Or if Tomlin is ready for some spot minutes.

I wouldn't be surprised if we stick with Strus at starting 3 but we have the optionality to play in a lot of different ways. We've got five guys we could conceivably play at the 3 in Strus, Hunter, Tyson, Ball, Wade. (yes, Ball is mostly going to be the backup point, but he's comfortable off-ball and has the size to play up if we need him as POA defender next to the guards.)

Hunter has the tools to be a better defender than Strus but not the will. He is a more offense heavy player and that's okay.

I could see Ball in some lineups with Garland and Mitchell, Ty did it.

Jbk always points out how we don't rebound as a team and that's why we can get exploited there, come the playoffs.

I like Wade the most as a starting SF but if its not him due to being traded or health or performance or whatever then Strus is for sure my pick.
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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#246 » by toooskies » Tue Jul 22, 2025 7:34 pm

JujitsuFlip wrote:
toooskies wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:You can call Nance whatever, he can't replicate what Hunter or Wade do at the 4, at this point in his career. I look at him as the Kardashian, Lopez, Davis role from that past 4 seasons; especially if we're trying to preserve him until April.

Hunter cannot start with the core 4. He proved he can't be lower than the 3rd option on offense. That's why he plays a lot of minutes with Mobley/Mitchell once Garland and Allen go to the bench. He even played a decent amount of minutes with Garland/Allen once Mobley and Mitchell are on the bench but he does not do as well in those instances.

Trust me, body type wise, i thought we found our starting SF when we traded for him but his play style just isn't a good fit with the core 4. He's not willing to rebound and pass, which are the 2 things that the core4 need with them. The little things are what is needed from a 'glue' guy.

We got rid of Ty and to a lesser extent Okoro because we know that Hunter can be our 6th man off the bench.

We got rid of Jerome and Okoro because they are one-way players who weren't reliable in the playoffs and they cost money we don't really have. Ball can do either or both of their jobs as backup PG and POA defender.

I'm not sure we need rebounding and passing in the starting lineup-- Mobley and Allen handle rebounding pretty well, and the other four starters are good passers. Hunter has the tools to be a better defender than Strus, and with Okoro gone we need him to focus on it, not on his offensive game.

Strus' passing may be more valuable in bench units to keep the offense flowing. Strus and Merrill together running off screens would make the other team work hard on defense when they're out there at the same time.

With another deep roster, we have a lot of options, particularly if Tyson is living in the gym and earning a rotation role as the reporting from Summer League suggests. Or if Tomlin is ready for some spot minutes.

I wouldn't be surprised if we stick with Strus at starting 3 but we have the optionality to play in a lot of different ways. We've got five guys we could conceivably play at the 3 in Strus, Hunter, Tyson, Ball, Wade. (yes, Ball is mostly going to be the backup point, but he's comfortable off-ball and has the size to play up if we need him as POA defender next to the guards.)

Hunter has the tools to be a better defender than Strus but not the will. He is a more offense heavy player and that's okay.

I could see Ball in some lineups with Garland and Mitchell, Ty did it.

Jbk always points out how we don't rebound as a team and that's why we can get exploited there, come the playoffs.

I like Wade the most as a starting SF but if its not him due to being traded or health or performance or whatever then Strus is for sure my pick.

Hunter's an established NBA player but he can still develop skills to fit his tools. He might figure out defense if he's pushed to do so. Brook Lopez wasn't a good defender for a long time until he decided to figure it out later in his career.

We can improve our rebounding as a team by playing Hunter only at the 3 with Nance/Wade at the 4, or by playing Tyson, who is a very good rebounder for his size. Lonzo is also an upgrade over Jerome in that aspect of the game.
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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#247 » by JujitsuFlip » Tue Jul 22, 2025 7:53 pm

toooskies wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:
toooskies wrote:We got rid of Jerome and Okoro because they are one-way players who weren't reliable in the playoffs and they cost money we don't really have. Ball can do either or both of their jobs as backup PG and POA defender.

I'm not sure we need rebounding and passing in the starting lineup-- Mobley and Allen handle rebounding pretty well, and the other four starters are good passers. Hunter has the tools to be a better defender than Strus, and with Okoro gone we need him to focus on it, not on his offensive game.

Strus' passing may be more valuable in bench units to keep the offense flowing. Strus and Merrill together running off screens would make the other team work hard on defense when they're out there at the same time.

With another deep roster, we have a lot of options, particularly if Tyson is living in the gym and earning a rotation role as the reporting from Summer League suggests. Or if Tomlin is ready for some spot minutes.

I wouldn't be surprised if we stick with Strus at starting 3 but we have the optionality to play in a lot of different ways. We've got five guys we could conceivably play at the 3 in Strus, Hunter, Tyson, Ball, Wade. (yes, Ball is mostly going to be the backup point, but he's comfortable off-ball and has the size to play up if we need him as POA defender next to the guards.)

Hunter has the tools to be a better defender than Strus but not the will. He is a more offense heavy player and that's okay.

I could see Ball in some lineups with Garland and Mitchell, Ty did it.

Jbk always points out how we don't rebound as a team and that's why we can get exploited there, come the playoffs.

I like Wade the most as a starting SF but if its not him due to being traded or health or performance or whatever then Strus is for sure my pick.

Hunter's an established NBA player but he can still develop skills to fit his tools. He might figure out defense if he's pushed to do so. Brook Lopez wasn't a good defender for a long time until he decided to figure it out later in his career.

We can improve our rebounding as a team by playing Hunter only at the 3 with Nance/Wade at the 4, or by playing Tyson, who is a very good rebounder for his size. Lonzo is also an upgrade over Jerome in that aspect of the game.
I think Hunter kinda is what is he is at this point. Which is a 1.5 APG and 4 RPG player.

And that's okay, just probably not a 'fit' next to 2 guys who can't rebound and 2 other guys who get pushed around come April.
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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#248 » by toooskies » Tue Jul 22, 2025 9:21 pm

JujitsuFlip wrote:
toooskies wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:Hunter has the tools to be a better defender than Strus but not the will. He is a more offense heavy player and that's okay.

I could see Ball in some lineups with Garland and Mitchell, Ty did it.

Jbk always points out how we don't rebound as a team and that's why we can get exploited there, come the playoffs.

I like Wade the most as a starting SF but if its not him due to being traded or health or performance or whatever then Strus is for sure my pick.

Hunter's an established NBA player but he can still develop skills to fit his tools. He might figure out defense if he's pushed to do so. Brook Lopez wasn't a good defender for a long time until he decided to figure it out later in his career.

We can improve our rebounding as a team by playing Hunter only at the 3 with Nance/Wade at the 4, or by playing Tyson, who is a very good rebounder for his size. Lonzo is also an upgrade over Jerome in that aspect of the game.
I think Hunter kinda is what is he is at this point. Which is a 1.5 APG and 4 RPG player.

And that's okay, just probably not a 'fit' next to 2 guys who can't rebound and 2 other guys who get pushed around come April.

If he doesn't rebound he should never be playing the 4, regardless of whether that's with the starters or the bench.
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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#249 » by JujitsuFlip » Tue Jul 22, 2025 9:35 pm

toooskies wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:
toooskies wrote:Hunter's an established NBA player but he can still develop skills to fit his tools. He might figure out defense if he's pushed to do so. Brook Lopez wasn't a good defender for a long time until he decided to figure it out later in his career.

We can improve our rebounding as a team by playing Hunter only at the 3 with Nance/Wade at the 4, or by playing Tyson, who is a very good rebounder for his size. Lonzo is also an upgrade over Jerome in that aspect of the game.
I think Hunter kinda is what is he is at this point. Which is a 1.5 APG and 4 RPG player.

And that's okay, just probably not a 'fit' next to 2 guys who can't rebound and 2 other guys who get pushed around come April.

If he doesn't rebound he should never be playing the 4, regardless of whether that's with the starters or the bench.
Agreed but that is where Kenny plays him a good amount, unless Wade is in there with him, then he slides to 3.
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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#250 » by KuruptedCav » Wed Jul 23, 2025 3:47 am

toooskies wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:
toooskies wrote:We got rid of Jerome and Okoro because they are one-way players who weren't reliable in the playoffs and they cost money we don't really have. Ball can do either or both of their jobs as backup PG and POA defender.

I'm not sure we need rebounding and passing in the starting lineup-- Mobley and Allen handle rebounding pretty well, and the other four starters are good passers. Hunter has the tools to be a better defender than Strus, and with Okoro gone we need him to focus on it, not on his offensive game.

Strus' passing may be more valuable in bench units to keep the offense flowing. Strus and Merrill together running off screens would make the other team work hard on defense when they're out there at the same time.

With another deep roster, we have a lot of options, particularly if Tyson is living in the gym and earning a rotation role as the reporting from Summer League suggests. Or if Tomlin is ready for some spot minutes.

I wouldn't be surprised if we stick with Strus at starting 3 but we have the optionality to play in a lot of different ways. We've got five guys we could conceivably play at the 3 in Strus, Hunter, Tyson, Ball, Wade. (yes, Ball is mostly going to be the backup point, but he's comfortable off-ball and has the size to play up if we need him as POA defender next to the guards.)

Hunter has the tools to be a better defender than Strus but not the will. He is a more offense heavy player and that's okay.

I could see Ball in some lineups with Garland and Mitchell, Ty did it.

Jbk always points out how we don't rebound as a team and that's why we can get exploited there, come the playoffs.

I like Wade the most as a starting SF but if its not him due to being traded or health or performance or whatever then Strus is for sure my pick.

Hunter's an established NBA player but he can still develop skills to fit his tools. He might figure out defense if he's pushed to do so. Brook Lopez wasn't a good defender for a long time until he decided to figure it out later in his career.

We can improve our rebounding as a team by playing Hunter only at the 3 with Nance/Wade at the 4, or by playing Tyson, who is a very good rebounder for his size. Lonzo is also an upgrade over Jerome in that aspect of the game.

Wade is a mediocre rebounder, marginally better than Hunter.


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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#251 » by toooskies » Wed Jul 23, 2025 12:19 pm

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toooskies wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:Hunter has the tools to be a better defender than Strus but not the will. He is a more offense heavy player and that's okay.

I could see Ball in some lineups with Garland and Mitchell, Ty did it.

Jbk always points out how we don't rebound as a team and that's why we can get exploited there, come the playoffs.

I like Wade the most as a starting SF but if its not him due to being traded or health or performance or whatever then Strus is for sure my pick.

Hunter's an established NBA player but he can still develop skills to fit his tools. He might figure out defense if he's pushed to do so. Brook Lopez wasn't a good defender for a long time until he decided to figure it out later in his career.

We can improve our rebounding as a team by playing Hunter only at the 3 with Nance/Wade at the 4, or by playing Tyson, who is a very good rebounder for his size. Lonzo is also an upgrade over Jerome in that aspect of the game.

Wade is a mediocre rebounder, marginally better than Hunter.


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Hunter had a career high of 6 rebounds per 36 minutes in his partial season with the Cavs, still behind Wade’s 7.2.
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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#252 » by KuruptedCav » Thu Jul 24, 2025 4:23 am

toooskies wrote:
KuruptedCav wrote:
toooskies wrote:Hunter's an established NBA player but he can still develop skills to fit his tools. He might figure out defense if he's pushed to do so. Brook Lopez wasn't a good defender for a long time until he decided to figure it out later in his career.

We can improve our rebounding as a team by playing Hunter only at the 3 with Nance/Wade at the 4, or by playing Tyson, who is a very good rebounder for his size. Lonzo is also an upgrade over Jerome in that aspect of the game.

Wade is a mediocre rebounder, marginally better than Hunter.


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Hunter had a career high of 6 rebounds per 36 minutes in his partial season with the Cavs, still behind Wade’s 7.2.

So every other game he gets an extra board…. And it was also Wade’s best year in a while.


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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#253 » by toooskies » Thu Jul 24, 2025 5:03 am

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toooskies wrote:
KuruptedCav wrote:Wade is a mediocre rebounder, marginally better than Hunter.


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Hunter had a career high of 6 rebounds per 36 minutes in his partial season with the Cavs, still behind Wade’s 7.2.

So every other game he gets an extra board…. And it was also Wade’s best year in a while.


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If you want to talk more than just last year, Hunter has averaged 1.6 fewer boards per 36 in his career compared to Wade.

Wade also boxes out, which leads to teammates grtting boards.
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2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#254 » by KuruptedCav » Thu Jul 24, 2025 1:50 pm

toooskies wrote:
KuruptedCav wrote:
toooskies wrote:Hunter had a career high of 6 rebounds per 36 minutes in his partial season with the Cavs, still behind Wade’s 7.2.

So every other game he gets an extra board…. And it was also Wade’s best year in a while.


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If you want to talk more than just last year, Hunter has averaged 1.6 fewer boards per 36 in his career compared to Wade.

Wade also boxes out, which leads to teammates grtting boards.

He had the 200th highest rebounding rate last year. I can concede that he’s marginally better than Hunter. He’s 20% worse than Luke Travers.

As a SF, Wade is fine, his lack of length doesn’t hurt him there… as a PF he’s mediocre.

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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#255 » by toooskies » Thu Jul 24, 2025 3:39 pm

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toooskies wrote:
KuruptedCav wrote:So every other game he gets an extra board…. And it was also Wade’s best year in a while.


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If you want to talk more than just last year, Hunter has averaged 1.6 fewer boards per 36 in his career compared to Wade.

Wade also boxes out, which leads to teammates grtting boards.

He had the 200th highest rebounding rate last year. I can concede that he’s marginally better than Hunter. He’s 20% worse than Luke Travers.

As a SF, Wade is fine, his lack of length doesn’t hurt him there… as a PF he’s mediocre.

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202nd out of 569, which is 64th percentile. About average for a PF/SF, particularly since his ORBs suffer from him usually playing on the perimeter offensively.

Hunter is 334th, which is 41st percentile and more appropriate for a SG/SF rather than a PF.

It's not even that Wade's a good rebounder, but he does the job adequately for a PF/SF. Hunter is a bad rebounder for a PF/SF.
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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#256 » by JujitsuFlip » Thu Jul 24, 2025 9:22 pm

https://www.fearthesword.com/2025/7/24/24473425/cavs-nba-free-angency-best-available-players-cleveland-cavaliers

A whole lot of uninspiring names left on the market.

Idk if the Cavs would be willing to circumvent the CBA like the Knicks did last season and wait until November to fill spot 14 but that option is looking more and more enticing by the day.
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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#257 » by ijspeelman » Fri Jul 25, 2025 2:09 am

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toooskies wrote:If you want to talk more than just last year, Hunter has averaged 1.6 fewer boards per 36 in his career compared to Wade.

Wade also boxes out, which leads to teammates grtting boards.

He had the 200th highest rebounding rate last year. I can concede that he’s marginally better than Hunter. He’s 20% worse than Luke Travers.

As a SF, Wade is fine, his lack of length doesn’t hurt him there… as a PF he’s mediocre.

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202nd out of 569, which is 64th percentile. About average for a PF/SF, particularly since his ORBs suffer from him usually playing on the perimeter offensively.

Hunter is 334th, which is 41st percentile and more appropriate for a SG/SF rather than a PF.

It's not even that Wade's a good rebounder, but he does the job adequately for a PF/SF. Hunter is a bad rebounder for a PF/SF.


Raw rebounds, any way you slice it, is a misleading statistic. What is important is your team securing the rebound, not you yourself securing the rebound.

Using your examples, Travers and Wade, per 36 min and 100 pos Travers is at 8.2 and 10.6 and Wade is at 7.2 and 9.6, but when it comes to team rebounds Travers is at 67.4% DRB secured as a team when he is on the floor and Wade is at 75.8%. When is Wade is on the floor was are +1.5 rebounds vs off per 100 pos when he is on the floor, while Travers is a -7.6.

For fun,
League Average: 74.8% +-0.0
Hunter: 71.6% -3.8
Zubac (center on team with highest DRB%): 78.6% DRB% +3.3
Mobley: 75% +0.5
Allen: 75.1% +0.8
Gobert: 76.3% +3.1

Drummond's peak DRB% year (where he lead the league in individual DRB%): 78.1% -1.7
2018-19 League Average: 77.1% +-0.0
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Post#258 » by jbk1234 » Fri Jul 25, 2025 8:52 pm

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KuruptedCav wrote:So every other game he gets an extra board…. And it was also Wade’s best year in a while.


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If you want to talk more than just last year, Hunter has averaged 1.6 fewer boards per 36 in his career compared to Wade.

Wade also boxes out, which leads to teammates grtting boards.

He had the 200th highest rebounding rate last year. I can concede that he’s marginally better than Hunter. He’s 20% worse than Luke Travers.

As a SF, Wade is fine, his lack of length doesn’t hurt him there… as a PF he’s mediocre.

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I'm sure that's if Wade only played during garbage time against third units, he'd outperform Travers. Look, the guy can defend, rebound, and is playable in the playoffs which is more than fine for $7M per. If either Nance or Ball manage to play more than 60 games this season it will be a minor miracle. We're going to need Wade.
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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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Post#259 » by jbk1234 » Fri Jul 25, 2025 8:55 pm

toooskies wrote:
KuruptedCav wrote:
toooskies wrote:If you want to talk more than just last year, Hunter has averaged 1.6 fewer boards per 36 in his career compared to Wade.

Wade also boxes out, which leads to teammates grtting boards.

He had the 200th highest rebounding rate last year. I can concede that he’s marginally better than Hunter. He’s 20% worse than Luke Travers.

As a SF, Wade is fine, his lack of length doesn’t hurt him there… as a PF he’s mediocre.

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202nd out of 569, which is 64th percentile. About average for a PF/SF, particularly since his ORBs suffer from him usually playing on the perimeter offensively.

Hunter is 334th, which is 41st percentile and more appropriate for a SG/SF rather than a PF.

It's not even that Wade's a good rebounder, but he does the job adequately for a PF/SF. Hunter is a bad rebounder for a PF/SF.


Hunter really isn't a 4. You can play him there in a small ball unit, but the Cavs are better when he's a the 3.
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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#260 » by JujitsuFlip » Fri Jul 25, 2025 9:51 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
toooskies wrote:
KuruptedCav wrote:He had the 200th highest rebounding rate last year. I can concede that he’s marginally better than Hunter. He’s 20% worse than Luke Travers.

As a SF, Wade is fine, his lack of length doesn’t hurt him there… as a PF he’s mediocre.

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202nd out of 569, which is 64th percentile. About average for a PF/SF, particularly since his ORBs suffer from him usually playing on the perimeter offensively.

Hunter is 334th, which is 41st percentile and more appropriate for a SG/SF rather than a PF.

It's not even that Wade's a good rebounder, but he does the job adequately for a PF/SF. Hunter is a bad rebounder for a PF/SF.


Hunter really isn't a 4. You can play him there in a small ball unit, but the Cavs are better when he's a the 3.
Atkinson uses Hunter almost exclusively as a 4.Image

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