Pistons related Free Agency Thread

[A_dub06]

I may be in the minority here but given the available free agents left and our current situation I’d love for us to take a gamble on Thomas. Yes there’s overlap with Ivey, yes his defence wasn’t great last season and yes he wants a big contract. But if we can get him in a S&T for a couple seconds on a decent deal I think you do it because I fully believe with our roster/culture under Bickerstaff he will be able to get Thomas to compete as hard as possible on defence and Vinson helping him with his shot he could really have a chance to grow into being an even more efficient scorer that can play decent team defence. He has all the tools in the world, he’s just lacked direction.

[whitehops]

this is just purely my opinion based on my observations, but i think jalen duren and jaden ivey's extension talks might be impacting more roster-stuff behind the scenes than has been publicized.

(the lack of) free agency has affected a ton of teams and players. kuminga, giddey, grimes and cam thomas want to get paid as RFAs but they have absolutely zero leverage and have yet to sign a new deal. players and especially agents are probably looking at this situation and weighing trying to get as much as they can overall vs. trying to lock in what they can sooner. like if ivey's representation is trying to negotiate an extension for ~$30M/year the pistons might be considering or just posturing to get cam thomas for half that amount.

teams are slowly getting their books in order to adjust to the apron limits but next off season will likely still have a fairly limited free agency market so JD and JI could have a lot of rumours about them coming up.

i'll leave this quote:

On extensions talks with Jalen Duren and Jaden Ivey: “Those guys are key guys for us. We’re not the cap-space Pistons anymore. We’re the playoff-Pistons now. If want to keep being the playoff-Pistons, we need to be really smart from here on out,” a Pistons front office executive said. “That means finding the right deal for us and our players. But we love the way both Jalen and Jaden have developed. Look, if we have Jaden last year, we win our first playoff series in forever. We believe that 100%. We’re hopeful we can get extensions done with both of those guys to keep them in Detroit for a long time.”

source: https://www.spotrac.com/news/_/id/2912/eastern-conference-summer-league-notes

[Piston Pete]

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[zeebneeb]

I am unsure why I'm reading people talk about Ivey, in relation to Cam Thomas. The whole league watched the Pacers who had insane depth, go to the finals.

You add Thomas, next season is going to be insane. A Pistons team with;

Cade/Cam
Ivey/LeVert
Ausar/Robinson
Harris/Holland
Duren/Stew

Is an insanely tough team to beat, night in and night out. Its all about depth in todays NBA. Let's see what happens.

[chrbal]

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interesting, but my only thought with this is they want to add more (tough) shot-making talent/shooting with beasley's absence. other than that he's mostly shoot first, second, third, etc. and only pass if you're in an emergency and the defense is straight-up bad. there's a reason why no contenders are at the top of the list of most likely to get him.

Cam Thomas meets Ben Gordon

[Spider156]

I’ve been hearing about Ivey all summer. He’s probably our most polarizing player. I think he’s gonna be more than fine as long as he has his first step. His defense will improve naturally. His jumpshot as well. I think Ivey will always have a chance at improving to become an All star. His issue is his next contract size. I’m pretty sure he’s asking for a lot of money.

[Crymson]

This nonsense about Thomas is based upon nothing but sports betting odds from an unregulated offshore sportsbook, odds that are almost undoubtedly based upon pure speculation.

I think anyone would have a tough time finding people in NBA circles who consider Detroit to be a realistic landing spot for Thomas at all, let alone the likeliest.

[tmorgan]

I am unsure why I'm reading people talk about Ivey, in relation to Cam Thomas. The whole league watched the Pacers who had insane depth, go to the finals.

You add Thomas, next season is going to be insane. A Pistons team with;

Cade/Cam
Ivey/LeVert
Ausar/Robinson
Harris/Holland
Duren/Stew

Is an insanely tough team to beat, night in and night out. Its all about depth in todays NBA. Let's see what happens.

If you run Cam Thomas out there at point guard and let him bring the ball up, you might as well not put anyone else out there at all, or at least just have them stay on the defensive end of the floor.

Point guard Cam Thomas. Sweet Jesus. Now I’ve seen everything.

[A_dub06]

I am unsure why I'm reading people talk about Ivey, in relation to Cam Thomas. The whole league watched the Pacers who had insane depth, go to the finals.

You add Thomas, next season is going to be insane. A Pistons team with;

Cade/Cam
Ivey/LeVert
Ausar/Robinson
Harris/Holland
Duren/Stew

Is an insanely tough team to beat, night in and night out. Its all about depth in todays NBA. Let's see what happens.

If you run Cam Thomas out there at point guard and let him bring the ball up, you might as well not put anyone else out there at all, or at least just have them stay on the defensive end of the floor.

Point guard Cam Thomas. Sweet Jesus. Now I’ve seen everything.

I don’t know how many people here actually think in a hypothetical Thomas trade that we run him as a PG. He did show some playmaking chops last season but no he is not a pg, the same way Ivey isn’t one. Maybe in Zeebs scenario though is one where you have both Thomas and Levert share that role in a positionless lineup

[whitehops]

This nonsense about Thomas is based upon nothing but sports betting odds from an unregulated offshore sportsbook, odds that are almost undoubtedly based upon pure speculation.

I think anyone would have a tough time finding people in NBA circles who consider Detroit to be a realistic landing spot for Thomas at all, let alone the likeliest.

there was a report around summer-league time that the pistons were high on one of the four remaining RFAs, and i think a lot of people assumed it was kuminga. between that report and the TPE we created with the schroder trade we've hinted at interest and have the means to acquire him at a decent contract.

combine that with brooklyn having almost no interest/incentive to bring him back (they just drafted 5 first round rookies and the top 4 were all guards) it's pretty clear he's going to go somewhere and we *seem* to be the likeliest destination.

[whitehops]

I don’t know how many people here actually think in a hypothetical Thomas trade that we run him as a PG. He did show some playmaking chops last season but no he is not a pg, the same way Ivey isn’t one. Maybe in Zeebs scenario though is one where you have both Thomas and Levert share that role in a positionless lineup

yeah in an all-bench lineup it would be levert initiating offense and putting pressure on the paint. from there cam would be the main scorer once levert has collapsed the defense.

[Billl]

Honestly don't see how he would fit the current roster, but Cam can light it up. Everything else is a question mark though. So far, langdon has done a tremendous job of evaluating character in terms of work ethic, coachability, buyin etc I don't think he would bring cam in if he isn't 100% sure cam was excited to come in and play a role.

[Cowology]

I agree with this 100%. But, we have to remember. Two posters in here said something crazy about Ivey during one of our summer league games. One said Holland is better and another said Ivey sucks.

Can't wait until the 25-26 season starts! Again, don't jump on that bandwagon! Please!

I 100% think Holland is going to be a problem for people down the road. He has the higher floor as a 2-way player.

Ivey has a lot more question marks. He *might* be better....or he may be a perenial 6MOY type like Crawford. He's clearly a better offensive player as of last season, but that's hardly a good measure and is still only 1 side of the ball.

We'll see. I am a big Holland fan though and I do think he'll become our 2nd best player.

Yeah, we'll see. I believe Ivey is our 2nd best player and next season, if his leg is completely healthy, you'll see better numbers compared to last season. I can't argue about the defense because Holland is a better defender. But Holland isnt a top tier defender like Ausar, so I wouldnt say his ceiling is sky high.

I agree. Ausar is truly elite on that side of the ball. He has that lockdown potential. Holland looks more like a Sprewell or Jimmy Buckets to me. He's got that kinda dog in him. Not elite defensively, but ferocious.

[Cowology]

Honestly don't see how he would fit the current roster, but Cam can light it up. Everything else is a question mark though. So far, langdon has done a tremendous job of evaluating character in terms of work ethic, coachability, buyin etc I don't think he would bring cam in if he isn't 100% sure cam was excited to come in and play a role.

We'd have a lot of trade flexibility at the deadline. I still think we're likely to package multiple players at some point in order to upgrade the frontcourt.

[DET_Athletics]

I am unsure why I'm reading people talk about Ivey, in relation to Cam Thomas. The whole league watched the Pacers who had insane depth, go to the finals.

You add Thomas, next season is going to be insane. A Pistons team with;

Cade/Cam
Ivey/LeVert
Ausar/Robinson
Harris/Holland
Duren/Stew

Is an insanely tough team to beat, night in and night out. Its all about depth in todays NBA. Let's see what happens.

If we can get cam without giving up a FRP, I'm in. It give us all the options in the world then because we could dangle levert and Tobias plus picks for a Starting PF. People have to remember that because of the length of these contracts, 2 years or less that we aren't going to have bird rights for people and can't bring them back unless we have cap space. Which we won't if we end up paying Ivey and Duren what they are worth. We should use the opportunity at the deadline to turn those contacts into something that fits with are team instead of loosing them for nothing. I'd be willing to part with Sasser for a Cam Thomas upgrade. And we will have enough dogs on Defense that we could use an instant spark off the bench.

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[Neptune]

I am unsure why I'm reading people talk about Ivey, in relation to Cam Thomas. The whole league watched the Pacers who had insane depth, go to the finals.

You add Thomas, next season is going to be insane. A Pistons team with;

Cade/Cam
Ivey/LeVert
Ausar/Robinson
Harris/Holland
Duren/Stew

Is an insanely tough team to beat, night in and night out. Its all about depth in todays NBA. Let's see what happens.

If we can get cam without giving up a FRP, I'm in. It give us all the options in the world then because we could dangle levert and Tobias plus picks for a Starting PF. People have to remember that because of the length of these contracts, 2 years or less that we aren't going to have bird rights for people and can't bring them back unless we have cap space. Which we won't if we end up paying Ivey and Duren what they are worth. We should use the opportunity at the deadline to turn those contacts into something that fits with are team instead of loosing them for nothing. I'd be willing to part with Sasser for a Cam Thomas upgrade. And we will have enough dogs on Defense that we could use an instant spark off the bench.

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^Someone get Langdon on the phone with this guy right now! I mean, like yesterday type sh#t!

[A_dub06]

Unfortunately I don’t think Thomas is coming here. It just doesn’t make sense for BKN to let him go for nothing even if they don’t value him long term. They would want some form of compensation (probably more than a 2nd round pick or two) as even if he signs the QO, if Thomas plays slightly better next season on the QO how many teams are going to want to pay Thomas the contract he wants? BKN would still likely have the most cap space available to resign him in that scenario. The only downside from the teams point of view is that they would win more games next season but if memory serves doesn’t Houston have swap rights on their next 1st round pick? So winning games wouldn’t worry them and there’s no need to worry about Thomas signing the QO.

[A_dub06]

I am unsure why I'm reading people talk about Ivey, in relation to Cam Thomas. The whole league watched the Pacers who had insane depth, go to the finals.

You add Thomas, next season is going to be insane. A Pistons team with;

Cade/Cam
Ivey/LeVert
Ausar/Robinson
Harris/Holland
Duren/Stew

Is an insanely tough team to beat, night in and night out. Its all about depth in todays NBA. Let's see what happens.

If we can get cam without giving up a FRP, I'm in. It give us all the options in the world then because we could dangle levert and Tobias plus picks for a Starting PF. People have to remember that because of the length of these contracts, 2 years or less that we aren't going to have bird rights for people and can't bring them back unless we have cap space. Which we won't if we end up paying Ivey and Duren what they are worth. We should use the opportunity at the deadline to turn those contacts into something that fits with are team instead of loosing them for nothing. I'd be willing to part with Sasser for a Cam Thomas upgrade. And we will have enough dogs on Defense that we could use an instant spark off the bench.

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I actually don’t believe Langdon will just give Ivey and Duren the contracts they demand, I think he will play it smarter and make them get another offer we can match to get a better deal. With the cap not rising as much as anticipated this season and other teams like Houston making players like Green and Sengun sign more team friendly deals I think Langdon will do something similar.

[theBigLip]

I am unsure why I'm reading people talk about Ivey, in relation to Cam Thomas. The whole league watched the Pacers who had insane depth, go to the finals.

You add Thomas, next season is going to be insane. A Pistons team with;

Cade/Cam
Ivey/LeVert
Ausar/Robinson
Harris/Holland
Duren/Stew

Is an insanely tough team to beat, night in and night out. Its all about depth in todays NBA. Let's see what happens.

If we can get cam without giving up a FRP, I'm in. It give us all the options in the world then because we could dangle levert and Tobias plus picks for a Starting PF. People have to remember that because of the length of these contracts, 2 years or less that we aren't going to have bird rights for people and can't bring them back unless we have cap space. Which we won't if we end up paying Ivey and Duren what they are worth. We should use the opportunity at the deadline to turn those contacts into something that fits with are team instead of loosing them for nothing. I'd be willing to part with Sasser for a Cam Thomas upgrade. And we will have enough dogs on Defense that we could use an instant spark off the bench.

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I actually don’t believe Langdon will just give Ivey and Duren the contracts they demand, I think he will play it smarter and make them get another offer we can match to get a better deal. With the cap not rising as much as anticipated this season and other teams like Houston making players like Green and Sengun sign more team friendly deals I think Langdon will do something similar.

I think I might start a thread on the Ivey and Duren extensions - there’s a lot to cover.

[A_dub06]

If we can get cam without giving up a FRP, I'm in. It give us all the options in the world then because we could dangle levert and Tobias plus picks for a Starting PF. People have to remember that because of the length of these contracts, 2 years or less that we aren't going to have bird rights for people and can't bring them back unless we have cap space. Which we won't if we end up paying Ivey and Duren what they are worth. We should use the opportunity at the deadline to turn those contacts into something that fits with are team instead of loosing them for nothing. I'd be willing to part with Sasser for a Cam Thomas upgrade. And we will have enough dogs on Defense that we could use an instant spark off the bench.

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I actually don’t believe Langdon will just give Ivey and Duren the contracts they demand, I think he will play it smarter and make them get another offer we can match to get a better deal. With the cap not rising as much as anticipated this season and other teams like Houston making players like Green and Sengun sign more team friendly deals I think Langdon will do something similar.

I think I might start a thread on the Ivey and Duren extensions - there’s a lot to cover.

Not a bad idea at all mate. Quite interested to see everyone’s opinions on the matter!