Jeff Teague says LeBron was on roids in Miami

[zimpy27]

IIRC, Rashard Lewis, Hedo Turkoglu, and Jameer Nelson all either tested positive or were linked to PEDs/the Biogenesis clinic. I don't know about y'all, but D12 was looking pretty swole around that time period.

Dwight was totally obvious if you saw the "before" pictures. For the top tier superstars lebron was the most obvious. Steph in his prime didnt look particularily juiced up. Jokic doesnt and neither does Doncic. Its a cheap excuse and an attempt to level the entire debate by just saying "everyone does it". Some guys are successful because they worked hard on their game (and not on youtube videos but in real life). Others are simply gifted, like Curry's hand/eye coordination is just there, cant be gained by working out. Thats why its unfair when other guys just never develop finesse or work on their game but just juice up and get a huge physical advantage. It was similar in cycling in the nineties when people actually tried to compete without steroids and got hammered by Lance Armstrong and the like.

Curry at 37 runs 4.26 miles an hour during a game.

LeBron at 37 ran 3.61 miles and hour during a game.

Please tell me who is more likely using EPO? Curry absolutely runs harder and longer than anyone close to this age and age is a strong correlate to reduced miles per hour in NBA players

Jokic and Doncic look physically out of shape and put perform most NBA players in endurance. Have you seen Jokics brothers? You think he's not surrounded by juice?


Point is that every NBA player has red flags, especially the great ones, because to be where they are they have to be super exceptional.

[Drakeem]

As far as I’m concerned just let them all do it. I mean I’m sure they already do but just make it official.

[NbaAllDay]

IIRC, Rashard Lewis, Hedo Turkoglu, and Jameer Nelson all either tested positive or were linked to PEDs/the Biogenesis clinic. I don't know about y'all, but D12 was looking pretty swole around that time period.

Dwight was totally obvious if you saw the "before" pictures. For the top tier superstars lebron was the most obvious. Steph in his prime didnt look particularily juiced up. Jokic doesnt and neither does Doncic. Its a cheap excuse and an attempt to level the entire debate by just saying "everyone does it". Some guys are successful because they worked hard on their game (and not on youtube videos but in real life). Others are simply gifted, like Curry's hand/eye coordination is just there, cant be gained by working out. Thats why its unfair when other guys just never develop finesse or work on their game but just juice up and get a huge physical advantage. It was similar in cycling in the nineties when people actually tried to compete without steroids and got hammered by Lance Armstrong and the like.

Curry at 37 runs 4.26 miles an hour during a game.

LeBron at 37 ran 3.61 miles and hour during a game.

Please tell me who is more likely using EPO? Curry absolutely runs harder and longer than anyone close to this age and age. Is a strong correlate to reduced speed.

Jokic and Doncic look physically out of shape and put perform most NBA players in endurance. Have you seen Jokics brothers? You think he's not surrounded by juice?


Point is that every NBA player has red flags, especially the great ones, because to be where they are they have to be super exceptional.

What's funny is when people only reference how someone 'looks' as a form of evidence of PEDs. It's no surprise the clueless one's about how PEDs even work or what they actually do are the loudest in the room.

[MightyMouse10]

Im not in the camp of accusing anyone of anything.

This isn't the first of stories that have come up and quickly been shut down. Go look at X and see stories pop up and deleted almost immediately. It was happening a lot yesterday.

Doesnt mean Lebron has been juiced, just that he has a good legal team to shut everything down.

So far we have heard(This list is from memory only, there may be more, please correct);
Savanna & associates allegedly involved in a Federal investigation involving BALCO.
Teague mentioning this yesterday than quickly retracting
KG stating "Bron on that new BALCO", I think I am paraphrasing, dont know if he said this exactly
There was a story that Bron never got tested at the last Olympics and KD & Steph did- dont know if im paraphrasing, just going by memory
This story about Bron's friend and business manager related to Biogenesis https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/38089564/tony-bosch-biogenesis-treated-wwe-star-big-show-boxer-shannon-briggs-others
Rashad McCants going on rant and insinuating something about Bron's training regimen- everyone on the arenas pod awkwardly laughing, can't find the video
Chael Sonnen on Flagrant 2 podcast making accusations Bron- https://sports.yahoo.com/chael-sonnen-claims-lebron-james-142819699.html

There's a lot of hate for Bron and this could all be coincidence & false accusations. TBH i think that all athletes have some sort of illegal PED. Does it really matter, probably not and thats probably why athletes make these claims as if it's nothing. In terms of Bron wanting to be considered GOAT, it makes a difference 100%. Even if other athletes in the conversation were juiced, the taint of being caught is possibly as bad of a hit to a reputation as gambling. Look at A-Rod, Barry Bonds, Ben Johnson, Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa & Lance Armstrong to name a few.

In the end, it was discovered that the competition was doing the same. They were the most criticized because they performed the best.

[Calvin Klein]

Considering the very "soft" controls the league has, it wouldn't surprise anyone, about any player...

[pepe1991]

Dwight was totally obvious if you saw the "before" pictures. For the top tier superstars lebron was the most obvious. Steph in his prime didnt look particularily juiced up. Jokic doesnt and neither does Doncic. Its a cheap excuse and an attempt to level the entire debate by just saying "everyone does it". Some guys are successful because they worked hard on their game (and not on youtube videos but in real life). Others are simply gifted, like Curry's hand/eye coordination is just there, cant be gained by working out. Thats why its unfair when other guys just never develop finesse or work on their game but just juice up and get a huge physical advantage. It was similar in cycling in the nineties when people actually tried to compete without steroids and got hammered by Lance Armstrong and the like.

Curry at 37 runs 4.26 miles an hour during a game.

LeBron at 37 ran 3.61 miles and hour during a game.

Please tell me who is more likely using EPO? Curry absolutely runs harder and longer than anyone close to this age and age. Is a strong correlate to reduced speed.

Jokic and Doncic look physically out of shape and put perform most NBA players in endurance. Have you seen Jokics brothers? You think he's not surrounded by juice?


Point is that every NBA player has red flags, especially the great ones, because to be where they are they have to be super exceptional.

What's funny is when people only reference how someone 'looks' as a form of evidence of PEDs. It's no surprise the clueless one's about how PEDs even work or what they actually do are the loudest in the room.

This guy admitted using:
HGH
blood transfusions

*probably diuretics and winstrol as well *

How somebody looks for certain sport doesn't mean jack **** in terms of PEDs. Endurance athletes literally use everything but look like crap because that's body type required for their sport.

That said, you can just look at some nba players and for how long they are massive ( or in Dwight's case just look at his shoulders ) to figure he is on gear.

In Lebron's case his huge, muscular body, that didn't decline or lose muscles, well pass normal age where males would start dropping testosterone levels, along with very questionable training methods ( ones you can find on youtube are laughable, like his "squats " ) and ability to recover from game to game bases AND maintain muscle mass is very telling.

[Bergmaniac]

LOL, as if LeBron (or any other NBA superstar) would ever need to take any measures to hide his PED use from the NBA, the NBA is all about the money and they won't allow a doping scandal to hurt their bottom line. There is a reason the NBA drug testing policies are such a joke.

[PlatinumState]

I wouldnt say that if someones muscular absolutely means theyre on something illegal. NBA players are known to spend a lot of time in the gym lifting. However most could be taking something legal for faster recovery

[bovice]

LOL, as if LeBron (or any other NBA superstar) would ever need to take any measures to hide his PED use from the NBA, the NBA is all about the money and they won't allow a doping scandal ot hurt their bottom line. There is a reason the NBA drug testing policies are such a joke.

yup lol. stern's personal security guard was former a fbi agent who warned stern that the fbi was investigating tim donaughy which let stern get the ahead of the story and eventually shut it down. the nba isnt pure basketball, its entertainment first and foremost.

[Iwasawitness]

That was the season he took a unprecedented mid season break to go to Miami, then came back after two weeks and started playing well again.

Again, you guys really do love revising history. It's comical how desperate you guys get.

..that's what happened. It's documented in the article I posted earlier. Who's desperate here?

https://www.businessinsider.com/lebron-james-2-week-break-turned-his-season-around-2015-4

The season they started doing rapid testing was in 2015/16, NOT 2014.

Not to mention, one thing they don't mention in this whole "LeBron's season turned around" thing is that it wasn't just due to health. That two week period is when Cleveland made the trades for Mozgov, Smith and Shumpert. This helped improved their spacing and offense overall. Coming back to a roster that fit LeBron's style of play is going to make a difference.

[Ssj16]

Im willing to bet that most people who accuse top tier athletes being on steroids without any proof are people who unfortunately either haven't been to the gym or are incapable of getting meaningful results at the gym.

I'm my youth, I used to hit the gym hard and I had a pretty clean diet. I got so jacked in my prime, people thought I was a boxer or on steroids.

Naturally I'm an ectomorph and back in the day I had less than 5% body fat but I was not on any gear. At most I had a stint when I was taking protein but that was it.

My point is, I think people are underestimating being a genetic freak, coupled with having access to the best resources (outside of peds).

[Chokic]

Now Teague is saying he was just kidding.

You can't make that kind of an allegation and then get to walk it back that easily, Jeff. It doesn't work like that for serious stuff. Hell, you could open yourself up to a lawsuit for defamation, slander, or libel.

Lebron is the face of the nba. Even if it was true which i believe it is the nba will protect their cash cow/image.

[the sea duck]

Im willing to bet that most people who accuse top tier athletes being on steroids without any proof are people who unfortunately either haven't been to the gym or are incapable of getting meaningful results at the gym.

I'm my youth, I used to hit the gym hard and I had a pretty clean diet. I got so jacked in my prime, people thought I was a boxer or on steroids.

Naturally I'm an ectomorph and back in the day I had less than 5% body fat but I was not on any gear. At most I had a stint when I was taking protein but that was it.

My point is, I think people are underestimating being a genetic freak, coupled with having access to the best resources (outside of peds).

is this the 90s again? your post sounds like a lot of stuff i heard (and somewhat believed) as a teenager regarding MLB players back then.

it's not just a muscular form. there are other physical indicators (as well as behavioral and performative trends). some people are not as familiar with gear so they assume it's all natural.

Lebron is a genetic freak. so is Dwayne Wade. both were also on some stuff in their primes (and maybe throughout their careers). and i'm not saying they were alone.

[the sea duck]

Again, you guys really do love revising history. It's comical how desperate you guys get.

..that's what happened. It's documented in the article I posted earlier. Who's desperate here?

https://www.businessinsider.com/lebron-james-2-week-break-turned-his-season-around-2015-4

The season they started doing rapid testing was in 2015/16, NOT 2014.

Not to mention, one thing they don't mention in this whole "LeBron's season turned around" thing is that it wasn't just due to health. That two week period is when Cleveland made the trades for Mozgov, Smith and Shumpert. This helped improved their spacing and offense overall. Coming back to a roster that fit LeBron's style of play is going to make a difference.

the guy looked completely physically different and we've seen him in all type of roster fits. you can argue it was some sort of fatigue and he just needed rest, or a secret injury. but he was physically different before and after that trip to Miami.

[Iwasawitness]

..that's what happened. It's documented in the article I posted earlier. Who's desperate here?

https://www.businessinsider.com/lebron-james-2-week-break-turned-his-season-around-2015-4

The season they started doing rapid testing was in 2015/16, NOT 2014.

Not to mention, one thing they don't mention in this whole "LeBron's season turned around" thing is that it wasn't just due to health. That two week period is when Cleveland made the trades for Mozgov, Smith and Shumpert. This helped improved their spacing and offense overall. Coming back to a roster that fit LeBron's style of play is going to make a difference.

the guy looked completely physically different and we've seen him in all type of roster fits. you can argue it was some sort of fatigue and he just needed rest, or a secret injury. but he was physically different before and after that trip to Miami.

It wasn't fatigue, it was an injury. And it wasn't a secret... him having back issues was known for weeks before he took the time off.

[the sea duck]

The season they started doing rapid testing was in 2015/16, NOT 2014.

Not to mention, one thing they don't mention in this whole "LeBron's season turned around" thing is that it wasn't just due to health. That two week period is when Cleveland made the trades for Mozgov, Smith and Shumpert. This helped improved their spacing and offense overall. Coming back to a roster that fit LeBron's style of play is going to make a difference.

the guy looked completely physically different and we've seen him in all type of roster fits. you can argue it was some sort of fatigue and he just needed rest, or a secret injury. but he was physically different before and after that trip to Miami.

It wasn't fatigue, it was an injury. And it wasn't a secret... him having back issues was known for weeks before he took the time off.

it appears it was somewhat of a secret. probably because the break was supposedly to recover from an injection, not the back issues directly.

[Iwasawitness]

the guy looked completely physically different and we've seen him in all type of roster fits. you can argue it was some sort of fatigue and he just needed rest, or a secret injury. but he was physically different before and after that trip to Miami.

It wasn't fatigue, it was an injury. And it wasn't a secret... him having back issues was known for weeks before he took the time off.

it appears it was somewhat of a secret. probably because the break was supposedly to recover from an injection, not the back issues directly.

Secret to who? People who weren't watching at the time? Again, Cavaliers fans had already known that LeBron was playing hurt for weeks up to that point. It was by no means a secret.

[pepe1991]

Im willing to bet that most people who accuse top tier athletes being on steroids without any proof are people who unfortunately either haven't been to the gym or are incapable of getting meaningful results at the gym.

I'm my youth, I used to hit the gym hard and I had a pretty clean diet. I got so jacked in my prime, people thought I was a boxer or on steroids.

Naturally I'm an ectomorph and back in the day I had less than 5% body fat but I was not on any gear. At most I had a stint when I was taking protein but that was it.

My point is, I think people are underestimating being a genetic freak, coupled with having access to the best resources (outside of peds).

is this the 90s again? your post sounds like a lot of stuff i heard (and somewhat believed) as a teenager regarding MLB players back then.

it's not just a muscular form. there are other physical indicators (as well as behavioral and performative trends). some people are not as familiar with gear so they assume it's all natural.

Lebron is a genetic freak. so is Dwayne Wade. both were also on some stuff in their primes (and maybe throughout their careers). and i'm not saying they were alone.

Reminds me of BS i used to believe when i was like 16, back in some 2007 when only source of information was that jacked dude who claimed natural, and you could learn about fitness from men's health that were yelling at you to never do deep squats or you will lose your knees.

Thing is, male below 8% of bodyfat naturally faces:
- partial or complete retcal dysfunction due lack of testosterone.
- losing muscle mass
- no energy = crappy workouts = even more rapid muscle loss
- mood swings ( literally test blockers are used in hormonal theraphy for woman wannabes to appear more female- like , behavior and looks vise )
- constant hunger
- being more exposed to broken bones
- being more exposed to all the infections since male's body needs test to stay healthy


"Genetic freaks" is most common internet word for " i'm on gear but i can' tell it loud"


Today you have kids at age of 16 who use PEDs to compete in class and highschool circles.


Last year Damjan Rudez ( nba nobody) was on one podcast in Croatia and he was asked about "stuff" .

He said that team's conditioning training in Indiana gave players drinks to get them through 4 hours of practice and he never felt such energy kick in his life.

If you know Serbian, Slovenian, Croatian or whatever, in his own words

Spoiler:

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[Lunartic]

Anytime a player calls out Lebron for using PEDS

"nooo what does that scrub even know u cant prove anything al ala ala ala also so what if bron is using peds, everyone is but also noooo proof!!!!"

Guys, every single player is taking some sort of PED. Anabolics, HGH, Peptides, EPO, tons of stuff.

No need to have an epileptic fit anytime someone says Lebron- a dude with a very DHT influenced hairline, 3D delts, crazy cardio, very low bodyfat, irregular jaw size, literal HGH gut, ridiculously fast recovery, unheard of longevity - is taking PEDs. He most obviously is.

So is everyone else.

I dont think everyone, and i dont think ANYONE in the top tier used it as massively as LeBron did.

But its really funny how the story triggered the LOLD (league of LeBron defenders), almost the entire first page is full of outrage and justification. I am quite sure the closer his exit comes the more stories about how it really was playing with and against him (and the league) will go public.

Yeah, LeBron is definitely both a heavy abuser and super responder to PEDs.

People have built up a belief that PEDs are cheating and thus anyone that uses them are not as heroic as they believe.

It's fine if you view athletes as athletes and nothing more but we have a culture in which we listen to dudes that bounce a ball for a living or movie stars for political opinions and deify them.

LeBron has a large radically supportive fan base and they experience cognitive dissonance when trying to make sense of PEDs and the NBA.

[ball_takes23]

Any stars playing at an elite level into their 40s are going to be on some kind of PED, Lebron, Brady, Curry, Djokovic etc. It pretty much a given and not really worth much of a discussion. The part that was most interesting to me is the fact that Teague was forced to issue a retraction only a few hours after making his original comment. It shows you how much control Lebron and his team have over the NBA media landscape and how much manufacturing goes into maintaining his image. If Teague had said something critical of KD, it would have ended up in a long drawn out twitter battle with both sides presenting their arguments over social media. When he says something critical of Lebron, he immediately gets sent to the principal's office and told that any form of dissent to the king will not be tolerated.