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Chi town wrote:Solid thread on the GB about the shrinking market for scoring guards that don’t play D.
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kodo wrote:Darius Garland and Max Strus are two of the worst starting defenders at their positions, CLE still won 64 games. Defense is always good but it's still heavily weighted towards your bigs and CLE had two elite ones.
If your PG/SG combo isn't great defensively but great on offense, which include some very good teams like the Lakers, you should talk about getting a better center not replacing two guys who are doing their job well.
Nembhard and Haliburton are also two bad defenders, they had the 26th defense in the league in '23. They solved it by getting Siakam, not replacing either guard. If individual defense at your guard spots was a requirement, Kyrie Irving & Luka Doncic could never had made the Finals.
Future Coach wrote:I would prefer that the Bulls don't overpay him. It would probably be best for the Bulls to trade him sooner rather than later as I fear they will otherwise commit too much of the cap to him.
kodo wrote:Darius Garland and Max Strus are two of the worst starting defenders at their positions, CLE still won 64 games. Defense is always good but it's still heavily weighted towards your bigs and CLE had two elite ones.
If your PG/SG combo isn't great defensively but great on offense, which include some very good teams like the Lakers, you should talk about getting a better center not replacing two guys who are doing their job well.
Nembhard and Haliburton are also two bad defenders, they had the 26th defense in the league in '23. They solved it by getting Siakam, not replacing either guard. If individual defense at your guard spots was a requirement, Kyrie Irving & Luka Doncic could never had made the Finals.
On a somewhat quiet offseason: “I won’t say it was by design. But we knew we weren’t likely to make any blockbuster moves either. But we’re happy with what we did and we’re still actively looking at other options too,” a Bulls front office executive said.
On Josh Giddey: “We want to get a deal done with Josh. He’s as important of a player as we have. We see him as a foundational player for us. I hope we can find a deal that makes sense for us and him and that we’ll be together for a long time,” a Bulls front office executive said.
On Matas Buzelis: “He’s going to be really, really good. He wants it so damn bad. This kid pushes himself so hard. And you see that on the floor too. But it’s the quiet moments when you see him work. He’s wildly intense about getting better and improving,” a Bulls coach said.
On the roster as a whole: “Last year, we played pretty fast. I think we can play even faster next season. Our roster is built for it. And you saw with Indiana and OKC in the Finals, that playing with pace is so important. We’re going to get after it on defense, force turnovers and then get out and run. That suits Matas (Buzelis) and Noa (Essengue) as our young forwards and all of our guards really well. We also think that Isaac (Okoro) will benefit in a more up-tempo style too. There’s untapped potential there,” a Bulls coach said.
On Coby White: “The contract is what it is. We probably can’t extend him, because the rules don’t allow for us to pay him enough,” a Bulls front office executive said. “But we want Coby to be a Bull for a long time. He knows how we feel about him.”
Very much hoping this is just GM speak but AK isn't savvy enough for that unfortunatelysco wrote:https://www.spotrac.com/news/_/id/2912/eastern-conference-summer-league-notesOn a somewhat quiet offseason: “I won’t say it was by design. But we knew we weren’t likely to make any blockbuster moves either. But we’re happy with what we did and we’re still actively looking at other options too,” a Bulls front office executive said.
On Josh Giddey: “We want to get a deal done with Josh. He’s as important of a player as we have. We see him as a foundational player for us. I hope we can find a deal that makes sense for us and him and that we’ll be together for a long time,” a Bulls front office executive said.
On Matas Buzelis: “He’s going to be really, really good. He wants it so damn bad. This kid pushes himself so hard. And you see that on the floor too. But it’s the quiet moments when you see him work. He’s wildly intense about getting better and improving,” a Bulls coach said.
On the roster as a whole: “Last year, we played pretty fast. I think we can play even faster next season. Our roster is built for it. And you saw with Indiana and OKC in the Finals, that playing with pace is so important. We’re going to get after it on defense, force turnovers and then get out and run. That suits Matas (Buzelis) and Noa (Essengue) as our young forwards and all of our guards really well. We also think that Isaac (Okoro) will benefit in a more up-tempo style too. There’s untapped potential there,” a Bulls coach said.
On Coby White: “The contract is what it is. We probably can’t extend him, because the rules don’t allow for us to pay him enough,” a Bulls front office executive said. “But we want Coby to be a Bull for a long time. He knows how we feel about him.”
Kuro wrote:Very much hoping this is just GM speak but AK isn't savvy enough for that unfortunatelysco wrote:https://www.spotrac.com/news/_/id/2912/eastern-conference-summer-league-notesOn a somewhat quiet offseason: “I won’t say it was by design. But we knew we weren’t likely to make any blockbuster moves either. But we’re happy with what we did and we’re still actively looking at other options too,” a Bulls front office executive said.
On Josh Giddey: “We want to get a deal done with Josh. He’s as important of a player as we have. We see him as a foundational player for us. I hope we can find a deal that makes sense for us and him and that we’ll be together for a long time,” a Bulls front office executive said.
On Matas Buzelis: “He’s going to be really, really good. He wants it so damn bad. This kid pushes himself so hard. And you see that on the floor too. But it’s the quiet moments when you see him work. He’s wildly intense about getting better and improving,” a Bulls coach said.
On the roster as a whole: “Last year, we played pretty fast. I think we can play even faster next season. Our roster is built for it. And you saw with Indiana and OKC in the Finals, that playing with pace is so important. We’re going to get after it on defense, force turnovers and then get out and run. That suits Matas (Buzelis) and Noa (Essengue) as our young forwards and all of our guards really well. We also think that Isaac (Okoro) will benefit in a more up-tempo style too. There’s untapped potential there,” a Bulls coach said.
On Coby White: “The contract is what it is. We probably can’t extend him, because the rules don’t allow for us to pay him enough,” a Bulls front office executive said. “But we want Coby to be a Bull for a long time. He knows how we feel about him.”
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pipfan wrote:I'm really not sure about Coby-I like him and think he's a good player
But, at $30+ million, not so much.
I wanted to trade him last June at the draft, when he still had 2 cheap years
I wanted to trade him this June at the draft, when he still had good value
If we could have him as a super 6th man, at the right price-awesome
As a starter and a top 3 option, his weak defense is troubling
Not sure what to do with him
kodo wrote:Nembhard and Haliburton are also two bad defenders, they had the 26th defense in the league in '23. They solved it by getting Siakam, not replacing either guard. If individual defense at your guard spots was a requirement, Kyrie Irving & Luka Doncic could never had made the Finals.
dougthonus wrote:kodo wrote:Nembhard and Haliburton are also two bad defenders, they had the 26th defense in the league in '23. They solved it by getting Siakam, not replacing either guard. If individual defense at your guard spots was a requirement, Kyrie Irving & Luka Doncic could never had made the Finals.
I agree with your general thought though that your bigs probably play an outsized role on your defense vs your guards. Probably with your guards you need more team defenders than individual defenders. Like are you quick enough to recover and get to a guy vs are you good enough to lock down a guy.
ShouldaPaidBG wrote:Coby is the same level player in most respects as Anfernee Simons, who I would argue is overpaid.
DuckIII wrote:How is Nembhard being discussed as a poor defender? Dude was an absolute animal on D in the postseason. Some of the most intense and consistent perimeter D from a small player you will ever see.