Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[HiRez]

I'm not sure Kispert is better than Buddy, who was very good for us last year.

Was Buddy really "very good" last year though? I think some of us (myself included) suffer from recency bias because he had a few very good games in the playoffs. He started the season scorching hot as well, but in between, most of the season he was mediocre to absolutely dreadful. He only shot 37% from 3 for the season (and 42% overall), one of the lowest of his career, which is OK but not really elite when that's supposed to be his one untouchable skill. He shot ~31% from 3 for two full months (where the Warriors went 12-17). He shot over 35% from 3 in only 5 of their 12 playoff games. And while he tries on defense, that's far from a strong skill for him. I feel like his Warriors legacy is a mixed bag at best so far.

That being said, Kispert may or may not be better, he's still something of an unknown quantity. But his stats look remarkably similar to Buddy's and he's a lot younger.

[statsman]

I would be fine with Kispert in return, but I don't see how the Warriors do it without ending up hard capped at the 1st apron.

They wouldn't be able to pay Horford the entire TPMLE after adding two vet minimums and one rookie minimum (Richard).

They can get there by adding a second rookie minimum with Toohey, but do they really want to go there for a full season?!

[vvoland]

I would be fine with Kispert in return, but I don't see how the Warriors do it without ending up hard capped at the 1st apron.

They wouldn't be able to pay Horford the entire TPMLE after adding two vet minimums and one rookie minimum (Richard).

They can get there by adding a second rookie minimum with Toohey, but do they really want to go there for a full season?!

Wouldn't they just have to ship out santos or TJD?

[vvoland]

I'm not sure Kispert is better than Buddy, who was very good for us last year.

Was Buddy really "very good" last year though? I think some of us (myself included) suffer from recency bias because he had a few very good games in the playoffs. He started the season scorching hot as well, but in between, most of the season he was mediocre to absolutely dreadful. He only shot 37% from 3 for the season (and 42% overall), one of the lowest of his career, which is OK but not really elite when that's supposed to be his one untouchable skill. He shot ~31% from 3 for two full months (where the Warriors went 12-17). He shot over 35% from 3 in only 5 of their 12 playoff games. And while he tries on defense, that's far from a strong skill for him. I feel like his Warriors legacy is a mixed bag at best so far.

That being said, Kispert may or may not be better, he's still something of an unknown quantity. But his stats look remarkably similar to Buddy's and he's a lot younger.

He was paid less than $9M, has two non-guaranteed years to end the contract, and will put up numbers very similar to the league's best shooters.

He struggled in the middle of last season, for sure. The entire team did, we were really floundering before consolidating half the roster for Jimmy. Buddy really needs others to create the offense for him and we were so desperate for shooting and creation, he became our only option for long stretches.

This season, I don't see that being the case and would expect his 3pt % to get back to the 40s. That said, 37%, on high volume, with the lack of spacing this team had most of last season is not bad at all. That's before we get to the fact that defenses still react to buddy like he's prime klay, despite the 37% clip.

I'll take buddy on a very team friendly deal + JK on a 2+1 over Kispert. The difference between buddy/ck isn't much (imho) and JK can be very helpful for this roster.

[BayAreaDub]

I would be fine with Kispert in return, but I don't see how the Warriors do it without ending up hard capped at the 1st apron.

They wouldn't be able to pay Horford the entire TPMLE after adding two vet minimums and one rookie minimum (Richard).

They can get there by adding a second rookie minimum with Toohey, but do they really want to go there for a full season?!

Couldn’t they trade Moody for someone in the ~7.5 million range for some wiggle room? I think it’s doable but would take multiple teams/trades to get it done.

I’m assuming there’s several paths of dominos lined up at this point.

[statsman]

I would be fine with Kispert in return, but I don't see how the Warriors do it without ending up hard capped at the 1st apron.

They wouldn't be able to pay Horford the entire TPMLE after adding two vet minimums and one rookie minimum (Richard).

They can get there by adding a second rookie minimum with Toohey, but do they really want to go there for a full season?!

Couldn’t they trade Moody for someone in the ~7.5 million range for some wiggle room? I think it’s doable but would take multiple teams/trades to get it done.

I’m assuming there’s several paths of dominos lined up at this point.

The multiple team S&T is very likely how they might get there. Even if the Warriors are willing to take back low salary players to stay away from a hard cap at the 1st apron, a 3rd team (or more) may be needed to accommodate the team taking Kuminga unless they have cap space or a large enough exception (like the Jazz do).

[statsman]

I would be fine with Kispert in return, but I don't see how the Warriors do it without ending up hard capped at the 1st apron.

They wouldn't be able to pay Horford the entire TPMLE after adding two vet minimums and one rookie minimum (Richard).

They can get there by adding a second rookie minimum with Toohey, but do they really want to go there for a full season?!

Wouldn't they just have to ship out santos or TJD?

It would get them closer, but sending out one of those two would mean Kuminga would need to start at $23.51M or higher for the Warriors to stay away from the hard cap at the 1st apron. Would the Wizards want to pay him that much?

But Kispert's salary alone is insufficient to acquire Kuminga.

[Old_Blue]

Trade Kuminga for Kispert. Flip Kispert for Klay. Watch entire board explode in a giant turbocharged nihilistic fireball. Sounds like a plan.

[vvoland]

I would be fine with Kispert in return, but I don't see how the Warriors do it without ending up hard capped at the 1st apron.

They wouldn't be able to pay Horford the entire TPMLE after adding two vet minimums and one rookie minimum (Richard).

They can get there by adding a second rookie minimum with Toohey, but do they really want to go there for a full season?!

Wouldn't they just have to ship out santos or TJD?

It would get them closer, but sending out one of those two would mean Kuminga would need to start at $23.51M or higher for the Warriors to stay away from the hard cap at the 1st apron. Would the Wizards want to pay him that much?

But Kispert's salary alone is insufficient to acquire Kuminga.

If it's descending, I don't see why not. Particularly if the outer years are team control. If it's increasing, maybe that's a tad high.

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[statsman]

Kings and Suns. The Warriors don't like what's being offered (I don't blame them, nor do I blame the Kings or Suns), and Kuminga doesn't like any of the Warriors' offers.

Seems like the game plan is an extended holdout for Kuminga, and the Warriors forgoing their TPMLE (and any attempts for Horford) and line up the vet minimum signings.

[Nvnervous45]

Hortford is a must for next season seeing how post is the only other true center on the roster that can shoot.

[NW]

Kings and Suns. The Warriors don't like what's being offered (I don't blame them, nor do I blame the Kings or Suns), and Kuminga doesn't like any of the Warriors' offers.

Seems like the game plan is an extended holdout for Kuminga, and the Warriors forgoing their TPMLE (and any attempts for Horford) and line up the vet minimum signings.

Doubt they lose Horford or any of their other targets over this. May just have to roll the dice on a hard cap and will any team make an offer that can beat it. Really only the Nets and Jazz

[DevinVassell]

Got to admit I'd love Dillon "The Villain" Brooks as starting SF on this current Warriors squad.

Adds good size, mongrel toughness and another veteran for the final Steph push.

Dray and Jimmy both hate him so there's that... but maybe they can rise above petty disputes for the general good. (CP3 clause)

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Slater making his NBA debut adding to Shams story. Kuminga and his people doing a full court press

[SacTown Kings]

Kuminga just taking the qo offer doesnt help anyone.

This doesnt look like it's going to end amicably.

Imo, best course of action for both parties is to sign a 2+1 extension, maybe 3/60-75 then look to use him as the contract to trade at the deadline

Assuming this is the path, mjd will look for a fit + a contract that coincides with steph, jimmy, and dray. So essentially 2 years max left on a deal.

So leaves us with with 10 players that are between 20-30M per year with 2 years left on their deals:

Hartenstein
Wiggins
RJ Barrett
VanFleet
Derozan
D.Hunter
Kuzma
D.Brooks
KCP
C.Johnson

Of those 10, only van Fleet is poor positional fit.
Mjd wants players who can defend. So, now Barrett, derozan, kuzma, and Johnson are out.

Now we are down to 5.
I'd love him, but no way does hartenstein get moved.

Now to 4.
Wiggins, hunter, brooks, and kcp fill an absolute need for us. A wing who can switch and shoot the 3 ball.

Who would take kuminga?
Suns for sure. Maybe the Heat? Maybe the Grizz? Definitely not the Cavs.

Now down to 3. Wiggins, Brooks, and kcp.

If mjd thinks he can get one of these 3 for kuminga at the dealine, I think both sides can come out smelling like roses. Kuminga gets paid, and steph gets some veteran help.

I'm not sure that Wiggins, Brooks, or KCP are worth half a year of turmoil over Kispert, or Ayo/JSmith. This whole sign him so we can trade him at the deadline doesn't make a lot of sense to me. You sign him and you hope that he's able to play a role. The whole wait 6 months to be traded just isn't a good premise. Maybe we do end up trading him but if you're promising to trade him at the dead line then he should be gone before the season starts. The west is too good to be trying to incorporate JK for 6months and then changing how we play after the deadline to accommodate someone that isn't even in the team's future.

Really the best deal is still getting Devin Carter + Keon Ellis for JK + 1st.

There is just no way GS is getting Ellis in any scenario. Kings would rather have Ellis than JK straight up. Not sure if Carter is even on the table anymore.

[marthafokker]

I'm telling ya. JK is on a revenge tour. He wants his QO rescinded or hold team hostage until he gets his salary to ride the bench or traded.

All these talk about giving JK this and that for a trade is impossible unless JK gets his acceptable numbers.

Should have traded him with GP2 and Looney instead of Wiggs. The only reason Miami asked for Wiggs (2nd time around) because JK was off the table by MDJ on first round of negotiations.

[Onus]

There is just no way GS is getting Ellis in any scenario. Kings would rather have Ellis than JK straight up. Not sure if Carter is even on the table anymore.

You wouldn't take a 1st for Ellis?

You think you'll be able to sign both Keegan and Keon to long term deals next year?

[statsman]

There is just no way GS is getting Ellis in any scenario. Kings would rather have Ellis than JK straight up. Not sure if Carter is even on the table anymore.

He isn't, so no point in arguing about it. Your team is safe. Not sure what the point is in trolling here. Let some Warriors fans be delusional. I'm sure *all* Kings fans have realistic expectations in their trade suggestions.

[DonaldSanders]

There is just no way GS is getting Ellis in any scenario. Kings would rather have Ellis than JK straight up. Not sure if Carter is even on the table anymore.

The Warriors don't need another non shooter, there was never any interest in Carter. I get not wanting to part with Ellis, so I don't think there is a deal to be had.