Avdija to MEM 2.0 [updated to 3.0]

[Godaddycurse]

I offered 4 1sts in the middle of conversation for Avdija, no Grant. I believe it is a strong offer.

didnt see it, dont think aldama or GG would fetch a 1st on their own. Also are you including PHX 1st?

Of course not. PHX 1st alone will likely give us a player better than Avdija. And we would pay 3 1sts on the top. That’s kind of too much.

Your offer lacks a centerpiece to get portland to bite then

[esvl]

didnt see it, dont think aldama or GG would fetch a 1st on their own. Also are you including PHX 1st?

Of course not. PHX 1st alone will likely give us a player better than Avdija. And we would pay 3 1sts on the top. That’s kind of too much.

Your offer lacks a centerpiece to get portland to bite then

Ok then if 4 1sts is nothing to bite. Memphis will find the way to turn them into something significant anyway. I don’t worry much.

[QMemphis]

So why didn't you make the WIZ an offer with 4 firsts? We would have make you a folk hero for a week! (I'm not unhappy with Carrington and George, but there still an active "why did we trade Deni Avdija" thread on the board.) The Bane offer was a big one plus the great rookie season of Jaylen Wells made Bane expendable.

Portland made a smart move; now they are enjoying the rewards of their perspicacity.

On this very Real GM board I offered our 9 pick to the Wizards fans who told me I was crazy and he was untouchable.

Our front office also actually had interest in him last year as well but likely were not willing to part with additional draft capital aside from #9 which was reported we were looking to move.

But his value at that time did not warrant 4 first, we have now seen two seasons of great production and it actually leading to wins.

[schaffy]

Of course not. PHX 1st alone will likely give us a player better than Avdija. And we would pay 3 1sts on the top. That’s kind of too much.

Your offer lacks a centerpiece to get portland to bite then

Ok then if 4 1sts is nothing to bite. Memphis will find the way to turn them into something significant anyway. I don’t worry much.

Well its not 4 1sts though. Its 2 and then you think aldama, gg and/or pippen are going to pull in 2 others. I don't know that many others are as optimistic on that front as you are.

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[esvl]

Your offer lacks a centerpiece to get portland to bite then

Ok then if 4 1sts is nothing to bite. Memphis will find the way to turn them into something significant anyway. I don’t worry much.

Well its not 4 1sts though. Its 2 and then you think aldama, gg and/or pippen are going to pull in 2 others. I don't know that many others are as optimistic on that front as you are.

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POR should’t care much about the way Memphis collected its package as long as it includes 4 1sts

[BlazersBroncos]

Give me a few examples of role players / prospects on the level Aldama, SPJ and GG returning FRP - from the new CBA onwards.

I’ll wait.

[esvl]

Give me a few examples of role players / prospects on the level Aldama, SPJ and GG returning FRP - from the new CBA onwards.

I’ll wait.

You are offered 4 1sts for Avdija

[schaffy]

Ok then if 4 1sts is nothing to bite. Memphis will find the way to turn them into something significant anyway. I don’t worry much.

Well its not 4 1sts though. Its 2 and then you think aldama, gg and/or pippen are going to pull in 2 others. I don't know that many others are as optimistic on that front as you are.

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POR should’t care much about the way Memphis collected its package as long as it includes 4 1sts

Yes they should, because it directly impacts what type of 1st it is. There's a pretty big difference between a 2026 OKC pick and a 2031 LAC or MIL pick (as an example of older teams without many young players to project forward, not saying they'd give it up for any of those players). Let alone when we start layering in protections and what year exactly it might fall. Is it a high variable pick? Or one most certainly to be 20+. That all would or should matter to them in how they evaluate things.

[tacos]

Well its not 4 1sts though. Its 2 and then you think aldama, gg and/or pippen are going to pull in 2 others. I don't know that many others are as optimistic on that front as you are.

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POR should’t care much about the way Memphis collected its package as long as it includes 4 1sts

Yes they should, because it directly impacts what type of 1st it is. There's a pretty big difference between a 2026 OKC pick and a 2031 LAC or MIL pick (as an example of older teams without many young players to project forward, not saying they'd give it up for any of those players). Let also when we start layering in protections and what year exactly it might fall. Is it a high variable pick? Or one most certainly to be 20+. That all would or should matter to them in how they evaluate things.

Exactly this not all firsts are created equal and their value logarithmically increases as they go up

He was traded for a lottery pick a future pick that is likely going to be pretty decent and useful expiring vet... Then his value went up due to production

A couple low-value picks and a couple scrubs they want to turn into picks definitely does not move the needle

[BlazersBroncos]

Give me a few examples of role players / prospects on the level Aldama, SPJ and GG returning FRP - from the new CBA onwards.

I’ll wait.

You are offered 4 1sts for Avdija

I am saying - you think those 3 guys can pull FRP value. Was asking for recent examples of players of their caliber pulling a FRP.

I dont think any of the 3 can pull FRP value.

[QMemphis]

Give me a few examples of role players / prospects on the level Aldama, SPJ and GG returning FRP - from the new CBA onwards.

I’ll wait.

You are offered 4 1sts for Avdija

I am saying - you think those 3 guys can pull FRP value. Was asking for recent examples of players of their caliber pulling a FRP.

I dont think any of the 3 can pull FRP value.

Santi can definitely pull a first from a team like Toronto or Pistons who need the scoring and more importantly the 3pt shooting from the PF position.

[Pattycakes]

I’m still mind blown this thread is ongoing,

4 firsts is a tremendous value for Deni but we also love him. He’s not available.

[Tim Lehrbach]

Quantity, even if it can be compiled, will not compel Portland to move Deni. I think they should be open to moving him, but only for a premium draft asset.

[jbk1234]

Ok then if 4 1sts is nothing to bite. Memphis will find the way to turn them into something significant anyway. I don’t worry much.

Well its not 4 1sts though. Its 2 and then you think aldama, gg and/or pippen are going to pull in 2 others. I don't know that many others are as optimistic on that front as you are.

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POR should’t care much about the way Memphis collected its package as long as it includes 4 1sts

If I'm Portland, I tell Memphis to trade those players to teams willing to give up firsts for them and come back with 4 firsts.

[Norm2953]

There needs to be a quality pick if a team offered four FRP for Deni for the Nets in this last draft
could have offered 19, 22, 26, 27 for Deni.

It might have interesting if the Nets had offered up pick 8 in a package for Deni

[Andre 2999]

I completely understand why Portland doesn’t want to trade Deni he is a great player on a great contract not to mention they gave up real assets to get him.

I have not mentioned Grant because I wouldn’t take back his bad contract preferably. But like I mentioned Portland similar to Utah has a good all star level on a great deal. Problem is similar to Utah (Lauri) if Deni is your best player you are not going far and currently he is easily their best player.

Deni has three years left on his deal and then he will hit free agency because it is unlikely he will extend given the descending salary. So my question is does Portland trust the guys on the team to be better than Deni or are they comfortable being a treadmill.

Regarding the Jazz selling parts they held on to Clarkson, Sexton, Collins and likely Lauri too long. You mentioned Sexton having to be moved with a 2nd to take on terrible Nurkic deal. But also framed the Collins trade as a win while they only recouped the 2nd they sent out.

Porland is at the point in the rebuild where they need to see results. Scoot was the centerpiece of the rebuild and they picked up Holiday to go with Grant (and Lilliard for next year) to give Scoot, Sharpe, Avdija, Camara, and Clingan a chance to show they are an NBA core. This is no longer the acquisitions phase for Portland. Unless they are blown away by the value, they shouldn't be trading the core 5 listed above.

So, blow them away if you want Avdija. But it's just the wrong point in the rebuild for trading the best performing core piece on the roster. And, if Scoot can't play at a high NBA level and no one else steps up, they still have a couple of years to listen to offers for Avdija.

Memphis in a better situation just traded Bane - their core piece. So I don’t believe Avdija is untouchable.

That's precisely why Memphis was able to make the Bane trade. Because they have Morant and JJJ, plus the promising year by Jaylen Wells who plays the same position as Bane, they are in a better position to make that move.

Portland is not in the same situation. If we move Avdija, we don't have 2 other All-Stars, yet alone a promising young rookie, to take Avdija's place. If Scoot and Shaedon were both all-stars, then this would be a different story. But as it stands, Deni's our best player. Moving him for picks would take Portland a step back, and tanking doesn't seem to be the goal right now.