2025 Offseason Thread Vol.6

[greg4012]

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He’s not wasting anytime lol. Guess we get the Rozier trade package ready for when he ask out at deadline right?

[MartyCONLONNN]

Miami is hellbent on the Giannis chase and I'm not entirely mad at it but it is an absolute pipe dream with the team having to give up every asset and good player in the process while sacrificing full extent of team building now. I honestly wish they would focus on Bam and inquire on players like Giddy that aren't Max but complement him, Herro, Powell well.

Bam is gone in any Giannis dream and I wish they would just invest in taking chances on young talent that lines up with the current squad.

[Shewasfly]

If we're done with moves, which I think we are, I still don't quite understand the excitement over the Powell trade. Without an additional trade, like for a starting PG or extra scoring front court help, it has very marginal impact on wins imo. Can't keep depending on Spo to pull a rabbit of his hat with decent to good players and a subpar cast. At least before he had Jimmy. Who does he have now?

I think they are putting A LOT of faith in Bam and Herro to trot this lineup out and expect it to win consistently. But more than likely they aren't actually looking to do anything but bide time. It's clearly the reason why they refuse to invest in them beyond lateral moves that don't impact the future ability to go after a real star.

[MettaWorldPanda]

If we're done with moves, which I think we are, I still don't quite understand the excitement over the Powell trade. Without an additional trade, like for a starting PG or extra scoring front court help, it has very marginal impact on wins imo. Can't keep depending on Spo to pull a rabbit of his hat with decent to good players and a subpar cast. At least before he had Jimmy. Who does he have now?

I think they are putting A LOT of faith in Bam and Herro to trot this lineup out and expect it to win consistently. But more than likely they aren't actually looking to do anything but bide time. It's clearly the reason why they refuse to invest in them beyond lateral moves that don't impact the future ability to go after a real star.

Unless someone needs Rozier’s expiring i don’t see anything much happening either. Would at very least like to see Burks added back but currently have to cut at least 3 mil to get anything done. Options for Rozier deals are dwindling by the day. Still a chance for a Rozier and asset for Vucevic trade. Other options include dealing Rozier for a bad contract that we can potentially revive the player here.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

That Luka news is unfortunate, that was the one free agent we probably had a real shot at due to Dallas costing him his super max. More and more I'm just hoping we turn this year into a stealth tank and we start praying for the next Wade in the draft, its so damn hard to get a prime superstar to change teams in this league now (unless you're the Lakers). Ironic that our hopes for 2026 were pinned on free agency, when what we did in 2010 largely killed the modern era of free agency (CBA changes built around keeping guys from switching teams because of the backlash from 2010).

Outside of that, on the current roster you could put like a 2% chance Herro makes the Curry leap (but I'm not counting on that), and maybe another 5% that Ware explodes and becomes way better than anyone anticipated. Maybe another 2-5% that long term JK is so good that he's like another All-Star, but otherwise this team needs to draft the next big thing. And if Herro doesn't make the leap literally this year, you probably have to let him go in free agency, and then its a question of whether Bam is willing to wait it out as we sift through the draft to find the next big thing.

Maybe we luck into another Jimmy Butler situation... but I'm not holding my breath.

[Vertical Limit]

If we're done with moves, which I think we are, I still don't quite understand the excitement over the Powell trade. Without an additional trade, like for a starting PG or extra scoring front court help, it has very marginal impact on wins imo. Can't keep depending on Spo to pull a rabbit of his hat with decent to good players and a subpar cast. At least before he had Jimmy. Who does he have now?

I think they are putting A LOT of faith in Bam and Herro to trot this lineup out and expect it to win consistently. But more than likely they aren't actually looking to do anything but bide time. It's clearly the reason why they refuse to invest in them beyond lateral moves that don't impact the future ability to go after a real star.

Not sure if there was any excitement like the one you are trying to describe, i dont think anyone thinks that Powell puts us outside of the play in..

What the trade did do, the Miami Heat has positioned themselves on the negotiating tables.

With the same amount of minutes and shot attempts, Powell can score just as much as Herro and do it more efficiently, and he has more of an offensive bag than Herro.

Herro is not a 50 million per year player. He is a 20-25 million per year type of player.

With Powell, there will be moments where he simply looks better than Herro. There will be moments the production is better, or the same. The Heat may not even know it yet, but they will find out fast that overpaying long term to Herro when you can get his exact production easily for Love and Kyle Andersan expiring, it just isnt smart business.

[Voltron914]

If we're done with moves, which I think we are, I still don't quite understand the excitement over the Powell trade. Without an additional trade, like for a starting PG or extra scoring front court help, it has very marginal impact on wins imo. Can't keep depending on Spo to pull a rabbit of his hat with decent to good players and a subpar cast. At least before he had Jimmy. Who does he have now?

I think they are putting A LOT of faith in Bam and Herro to trot this lineup out and expect it to win consistently. But more than likely they aren't actually looking to do anything but bide time. It's clearly the reason why they refuse to invest in them beyond lateral moves that don't impact the future ability to go after a real star.

Not sure if there was any excitement like the one you are trying to describe, i dont think anyone thinks that Powell puts us outside of the play in..

What the trade did do, the Miami Heat has positioned themselves on the negotiating tables.

With the same amount of minutes and shot attempts, Powell can score just as much as Herro and do it more efficiently, and he has more of an offensive bag than Herro.

Herro is not a 50 million per year player. He is a 20-25 million per year type of player.

With Powell, there will be moments where he simply looks better than Herro. There will be moments the production is better, or the same. The Heat may not even know it yet, but they will find out fast that overpaying long term to Herro when you can get his exact production easily for Love and Kyle Andersan expiring, it just isnt smart business.

i dont think we will get star free agent anytime soon. If we get another championship it will be like a 2005 detroit pistons with a rough blue collar balanced team with everyone doing their part to win. funny enough that was what we had with the jimmy build and we succeeded when we got the Iggy,Crowder, Tucker, and Martin types. a scoring 6th man should've helped but Rozier turned to crap as soon as he got here smh

[Tim_Hardawayy]

With the same amount of minutes and shot attempts, Powell can score just as much as Herro and do it more efficiently, and he has more of an offensive bag than Herro.

I like Powell but what you're saying just isn't true. You're describing him like he's a 22 year old unknown who hasn't gotten his chance yet and has room to grow. He's 32, nobody peaks in the NBA at age 32, he is what he is, and that's still pretty good, but he doesn't score more efficiently than Herro or have a greater bag unless you think Herro's season last year was a fluke. They have roughly the same efficiency with Tyler taking more shots and a bigger role in the offense, and Tyler also gets saddled with a pseudo point guard role that Powell could not do. Tyler's advanced numbers were also better, he improved his team more offensively than Powell did.

The reality is for as much hate as Herro gets for not having more of a handle and being a better creator, Powell is even worse. He's averaged roughly 2 assists a game throughout his career. What he is, is a guy who knows his role and will excel at it, and that's still awesome, but if you dump Herro you aren't going to get better replacing him with Powell, with the caveat being if you can flip Herro for a guy who becomes the dominant ball handler/creator for the team, then you can possibly improve a bit since Powell's better defensively. But again, he's 32, he's not going to get any better and he's an expiring himself so he either plays well and costs too much to bring back, or is a downgrade.

I still like the acquisition because we gave up nothing of value, but I think its more likely Powell benefits us as a trade chip than as a missing piece this season or a long term acquisition.

[Vertical Limit]

With the same amount of minutes and shot attempts, Powell can score just as much as Herro and do it more efficiently, and he has more of an offensive bag than Herro.

I like Powell but what you're saying just isn't true. You're describing him like he's a 22 year old unknown who hasn't gotten his chance yet and has room to grow. He's 32, nobody peaks in the NBA at age 32, he is what he is, and that's still pretty good, but he doesn't score more efficiently than Herro or have a greater bag unless you think Herro's season last year was a fluke. They have roughly the same efficiency with Tyler taking more shots and a bigger role in the offense, and Tyler also gets saddled with a pseudo point guard role that Powell could not do. Tyler's advanced numbers were also better, he improved his team more offensively than Powell did.

The reality is for as much hate as Herro gets for not having more of a handle and being a better creator, Powell is even worse. He's averaged roughly 2 assists a game throughout his career. What he is, is a guy who knows his role and will excel at it, and that's still awesome, but if you dump Herro you aren't going to get better replacing him with Powell, with the caveat being if you can flip Herro for a guy who becomes the dominant ball handler/creator for the team, then you can possibly improve a bit since Powell's better defensively. But again, he's 32, he's not going to get any better and he's an expiring himself so he either plays well and costs too much to bring back, or is a downgrade.

I still like the acquisition because we gave up nothing of value, but I think its more likely Powell benefits us as a trade chip than as a missing piece this season or a long term acquisition.

Herro’s season last year is us forcing the ball to a guy who isnt that efficient or skillful.

He does not get the quantity of shot attempts for any of the other 15 playoff teams last year. He just isnt that good, hes lucky to be on a team that barely had talent, so he was the number 1 option by default.

I dont think Herro is very skillful. He certainly isnt very athletic.

Also Powell was ranked higher than Herro last season in efficiency.

Theyre both in the same tier along with names like Giddey, Monk, Lavine, Beal. Theyre not stars. Theyre roleplayers.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

With the same amount of minutes and shot attempts, Powell can score just as much as Herro and do it more efficiently, and he has more of an offensive bag than Herro.

I like Powell but what you're saying just isn't true. You're describing him like he's a 22 year old unknown who hasn't gotten his chance yet and has room to grow. He's 32, nobody peaks in the NBA at age 32, he is what he is, and that's still pretty good, but he doesn't score more efficiently than Herro or have a greater bag unless you think Herro's season last year was a fluke. They have roughly the same efficiency with Tyler taking more shots and a bigger role in the offense, and Tyler also gets saddled with a pseudo point guard role that Powell could not do. Tyler's advanced numbers were also better, he improved his team more offensively than Powell did.

The reality is for as much hate as Herro gets for not having more of a handle and being a better creator, Powell is even worse. He's averaged roughly 2 assists a game throughout his career. What he is, is a guy who knows his role and will excel at it, and that's still awesome, but if you dump Herro you aren't going to get better replacing him with Powell, with the caveat being if you can flip Herro for a guy who becomes the dominant ball handler/creator for the team, then you can possibly improve a bit since Powell's better defensively. But again, he's 32, he's not going to get any better and he's an expiring himself so he either plays well and costs too much to bring back, or is a downgrade.

I still like the acquisition because we gave up nothing of value, but I think its more likely Powell benefits us as a trade chip than as a missing piece this season or a long term acquisition.

Herro’s season last year is us forcing the ball to a guy who isnt that efficient or skillful.

He does not get the quantity of shot attempts for any of the other 15 playoff teams last year. He just isnt that good, hes lucky to be on a team that barely had talent, so he was the number 1 option by default.

I dont think Herro is very skillful. He certainly isnt very athletic.

Also Powell was ranked higher than Herro last season in efficiency.

Theyre both in the same tier along with names like Giddey, Monk, Lavine, Beal. Theyre not stars. Theyre roleplayers.

I mean are we being objective and using statistics or is it just the eye test and you don't like Herro? It's ok to admit its the latter, but by the former Herro was ahead of all those guys by large amounts, and you handwaving it away as "we force fed him the ball" doesn't explain how he was also efficient in that scenario. Plenty of guys who get "force fed the ball" can't perform.

Also Powell was sort of put in that situation last season for the Clippers when Kawhi wasn't available, which explains why he had such a breakout year. And still couldn't come close to Herro in assists.

Again not knocking Powell, but your hatred of Herro is blinding you to the point you'll take anything but. Dumping him for nothing because you personally don't like him is stupid, at least argue to get fair value for him and come up with a trade idea or something.

[CWebb2491]

With the same amount of minutes and shot attempts, Powell can score just as much as Herro and do it more efficiently, and he has more of an offensive bag than Herro.

I like Powell but what you're saying just isn't true. You're describing him like he's a 22 year old unknown who hasn't gotten his chance yet and has room to grow. He's 32, nobody peaks in the NBA at age 32, he is what he is, and that's still pretty good, but he doesn't score more efficiently than Herro or have a greater bag unless you think Herro's season last year was a fluke. They have roughly the same efficiency with Tyler taking more shots and a bigger role in the offense, and Tyler also gets saddled with a pseudo point guard role that Powell could not do. Tyler's advanced numbers were also better, he improved his team more offensively than Powell did.

The reality is for as much hate as Herro gets for not having more of a handle and being a better creator, Powell is even worse. He's averaged roughly 2 assists a game throughout his career. What he is, is a guy who knows his role and will excel at it, and that's still awesome, but if you dump Herro you aren't going to get better replacing him with Powell, with the caveat being if you can flip Herro for a guy who becomes the dominant ball handler/creator for the team, then you can possibly improve a bit since Powell's better defensively. But again, he's 32, he's not going to get any better and he's an expiring himself so he either plays well and costs too much to bring back, or is a downgrade.

I still like the acquisition because we gave up nothing of value, but I think its more likely Powell benefits us as a trade chip than as a missing piece this season or a long term acquisition.

Herro’s season last year is us forcing the ball to a guy who isnt that efficient or skillful.

He does not get the quantity of shot attempts for any of the other 15 playoff teams last year. He just isnt that good, hes lucky to be on a team that barely had talent, so he was the number 1 option by default.

I dont think Herro is very skillful. He certainly isnt very athletic.

Also Powell was ranked higher than Herro last season in efficiency.

Theyre both in the same tier along with names like Giddey, Monk, Lavine, Beal. Theyre not stars. Theyre roleplayers.

I'm sorry but did you watch the Heat play last season? To say Herro is roleplayer...... either your are bias, don't have access to watch the game, or don't know basketball. Herro showed to be more than a role player..... At the very least that is what the coaches felt when they voted him in to the all star game. He was thrown into a role of the highest responsibility in a turbulent year where Jimmy decided to act like a Bit**...... and came out an all star. If this team were to add an elite offensive threat to pair with Herro, his efficiency would only improve. Herro, Bam, Spo, the team, the fans are one Allstar/near superstar level player away from contending, and we have the pieces to get it done.

[ZoStrong]

Herro's efficiency increased greatly last year despite taking almost same shot attempts as the previous year. His shot attempts went up just barely one extra shot per game in 4 years. Idk how this is force-feeding him. He just figured out how to be more effective around the paint. His efficiency took a leap despite the 3 pt percentage actually decreased slightly. Thus the breakout year. Hopefully he builds up on that next year.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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No way lmao!!! At this point just trade Rozier for him lol

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Give the Bulls an asset and let them buyout Rozier instead. This should be a layup

[TroubleS0me]

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[Enso]

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Give the Bulls an asset and let them buyout Rozier instead. This should be a layup

Yep I agree Rozier and a 2nd.

I don't think anyone wants to keep Rozier on their roster though even if it's just for a season, so they'd have to buy him out right away. Maybe they want to hold on to Vuc during the season and see if someone will offer more sweetners in a potential deal.

[Crazy-Canuck]

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No way lmao!!! At this point just trade Rozier for him lol

Not surprised. One way scoring guards have been getting killed in the new nba landscape. It's one reason we got Powell for so cheap.

[insfo]

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Ware coming for that crown!!!

[lastb1ckman]

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No way lmao!!! At this point just trade Rozier for him lol

Not surprised. One way scoring guards have been getting killed in the new nba landscape. It's one reason we got Powell for so cheap.

Plus tbh, I think he's more like a Rozier than even Powell. Let alone Herro. A chucker who's a looter in a riot on a bad team. He needs to play and produce on a good team before anyone will want to give him big money.

[Vertical Limit]

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Give the Bulls an asset and let them buyout Rozier instead. This should be a layup

Yep I agree Rozier and a 2nd.

I don't think anyone wants to keep Rozier on their roster though even if it's just for a season, so they'd have to buy him out right away. Maybe they want to hold on to Vuc during the season and see if someone will offer more sweetners in a potential deal.

Eh, if we cant get a pick, i would offer Wiggins to them for vuc and filler contract.. wiggins is not in the long term plans for us.. and the bulls have a young squad that could use wiggins, especially defensively..

Im trying to free up as much space as possible for the inevitable reset