ATL - Kawhi salary cap circumvention

[MikeIsGood]

The Warriors trying to convince everyone that Kuminga is worth valuable assets after effectively calling him dumb all season long is really funny and entirely expected.

[engelmartin]

The Warriors trying to convince everyone that Kuminga is worth valuable assets after effectively calling him dumb all season long is really funny and entirely expected.

I can’t wait to see the return they get for him, and the golden state fan reaction. I kind of hate golden state fans because they’re convinced Giannis is going to go there since he seems to get along with Steph at the all-star game, even if it’d be impossible in the CBA and they have zero assets.

I hope derozan is involved.

[MickeyDavis]

Curry's contract ends the same time as Giannis can opt out. Curry can come here. I know we won't have space but that's the narrative I'm going to push to Warriors fans.

[BUCKnation]

Curry's contract ends the same time as Giannis can opt out. Curry can come here. I know we won't have space but that's the narrative I'm going to push to Warriors fans.

Kuzma deal is off the books, sign curry first then use Giannis's bird rights to sign into the tax. Ez.

[soxperry]

The Warriors trying to convince everyone that Kuminga is worth valuable assets after effectively calling him dumb all season long is really funny and entirely expected.

I can’t wait to see the return they get for him, and the golden state fan reaction. I kind of hate golden state fans because they’re convinced Giannis is going to go there since he seems to get along with Steph at the all-star game, even if it’d be impossible in the CBA and they have zero assets.

I hope derozan is involved.

Not necessarily true

They have all their first round picks except 2030. Not nothing

[BroncoBuck]

The Warriors trying to convince everyone that Kuminga is worth valuable assets after effectively calling him dumb all season long is really funny and entirely expected.

Warriors front office likes Kuminga

Warriors coaching staff hates Kuminga

[BroncoBuck]

NO is in the west. If they move to Seattle there wouldn't be a corresponding move to the east.

Understood. Just don't think it does some big injustice to have 16 teams on side and 14 on the other.

Memphis would make more sense in the East than Minnesota. They are actually east of the Mississippi.

[WiscoKing13]

NO is in the west. If they move to Seattle there wouldn't be a corresponding move to the east.

Understood. Just don't think it does some big injustice to have 16 teams on side and 14 on the other.

Memphis would make more sense in the East than Minnesota. They are actually east of the Mississippi.

Minnesota is in a division where they don't border another team in their division. They also play in a division where they are two time zones away with a 3 hr flight. Utah is 2.5 hours and Denver/OKC is an hour and a half.

NO longest flight is 1.5 and shortest is an hour.

The obvious easiest way to kill this issue is to eliminate conferences and play 62 games. That obviously will never happen.

[paulpressey25]

Giddey averaged 21.2 points, 10.7 rebounds, 9.3 assists and 1.5 steals in 34.2 minutes per game on .620 true shooting after the All-Star break — obscene, Jokić-type stats — to help fuel a late-season run that saw the Bulls win 15 of their final 21 games.

Good lord. And only age 22.

Still, you’d like him to prove it this season before paying him $100 million. Just like Kuminga, Grimes, Cam Thomas, etc.

[tedbrogen]

Giddey averaged 21.2 points, 10.7 rebounds, 9.3 assists and 1.5 steals in 34.2 minutes per game on .620 true shooting after the All-Star break — obscene, Jokić-type stats — to help fuel a late-season run that saw the Bulls win 15 of their final 21 games.

Good lord. And only age 22.

Still, you’d like him to prove it this season before paying him $100 million. Just like Kuminga, Grimes, Cam Thomas, etc.

But if you’re say a team with limited assets, but can take on $30M in a trade, would you take the chance on him by telling his agent you’ll give him 4/120 in a S&T? Kuz/31 for Giddey?

[midranger]

Giddey averaged 21.2 points, 10.7 rebounds, 9.3 assists and 1.5 steals in 34.2 minutes per game on .620 true shooting after the All-Star break — obscene, Jokić-type stats — to help fuel a late-season run that saw the Bulls win 15 of their final 21 games.

Good lord. And only age 22.

Still, you’d like him to prove it this season before paying him $100 million. Just like Kuminga, Grimes, Cam Thomas, etc.

I’d take Giddey over all the Barrett’s and Kuminga’s and Thomas’s and Monk’s in the NBA.

Can contribute in multiple ways. Also worth noting that his 3pt% has improved every year in the league to a very respectable level on good volume last year. Good trend to see.

[Frank Nova]

Giddey is a perfect fit and definitely meets the criteria of ‘significant name’ that Bucksfan source was possibly hinting at.

KPJ/Trent/Giddey/Giannis/Myles

[Bernman]

Giddey's by far the most interesting player in that group. But he'd be a bad fit here. Needs to run the ball thru him, like Giannis. There's not a lot of proof of concept on the outside shot. And as he moves down the pecking order his d hurts you more.

Pick a better spot than him, or Kuminga, or Barrett, or Thomas, or Wiggins, etc. That means anyone possibly available to us now.

[midranger]

Giddey's by far the most interesting player in that group. But he'd be a bad fit here. Needs to run the ball thru him, like Giannis. There's not a lot of proof of concept on the outside shot. And as he moves down the pecking order his d hurts you more.

Pick a better spot than him, or Kuminga, or Barrett, or Thomas, or Wiggins, etc. That means anyone possibly available to us now.

There will probably be 15 or so Giannis rest games and 18 or so non Giannis minutes when he does play.

I think we really need playmakers and ball handlers. Similar to there being little proof of concept on Giddey’s outside shot, I’d argue there’s way less proof of concept on KPJ being a suitable lead playmaker in Giannis’s absence.

If Giddey was available, I’d be inclined to try to make it happen.

[Bucks4005]

Giddey's by far the most interesting player in that group. But he'd be a bad fit here. Needs to run the ball thru him, like Giannis. There's not a lot of proof of concept on the outside shot. And as he moves down the pecking order his d hurts you more.

Pick a better spot than him, or Kuminga, or Barrett, or Thomas, or Wiggins, etc. That means anyone possibly available to us now.

It kinda depends if you think Giddey can function as a Middleton level usage ball handler. I mean, there aren’t enough teams to feature guys that should have the ball in their hands so so,e of these guys have to learn compliemtary roles, but Giddey did play compliment to SGA, but obviously wasn’t as good. So comes down to do you think he can replicate last years level of play with Middleton usage perhaps? Or would he go down to road of Dame just never looking comfortable.

[yb90]

Giddey's by far the most interesting player in that group. But he'd be a bad fit here. Needs to run the ball thru him, like Giannis. There's not a lot of proof of concept on the outside shot. And as he moves down the pecking order his d hurts you more.

Pick a better spot than him, or Kuminga, or Barrett, or Thomas, or Wiggins, etc. That means anyone possibly available to us now.

It kinda depends if you think Giddey can function as a Middleton level usage ball handler. I mean, there aren’t enough teams to feature guys that should have the ball in their hands so so,e of these guys have to learn compliemtary roles, but Giddey did play compliment to SGA, but obviously wasn’t as good. So comes down to do you think he can replicate last years level of play with Middleton usage perhaps? Or would he go down to road of Dame just never looking comfortable.

The crazy thing is when just looking at some of his numbers is that his usg% is below peak Khris levels and Giddey usg rate in Chicago was the lowest it's ever been. His FGA per 36 is also on par with Khris too. I'm sure their are other stats to see how comparable the two players really are.

[Bernman]

The crazy thing is when just looking at some of his numbers is that his usg% is below peak Khris levels and Giddey usg rate in Chicago was the lowest it's ever been. His FGA per 36 is also on par with Khris too. I'm sure their are other stats to see how comparable the two players really are.

That's skewed. He was playing w/ LaVine prior to the trade deadline. And at that point he wasn't considered to be having a very effective season. So the usage uptick changed the narrative. He'd have to be effective in a 2-man game w/ Giannis, as opposed to taking turns, & playing off ball.

Between the need to have the ball in his hands, questionable shooting, & poor defense; Middleton & Giddey are dissimilar players.

[raferfenix]

Giddey averaged 21.2 points, 10.7 rebounds, 9.3 assists and 1.5 steals in 34.2 minutes per game on .620 true shooting after the All-Star break — obscene, Jokić-type stats — to help fuel a late-season run that saw the Bulls win 15 of their final 21 games.

Good lord. And only age 22.

Still, you’d like him to prove it this season before paying him $100 million. Just like Kuminga, Grimes, Cam Thomas, etc.

Is Giddey’s defense and shooting irredeemably bad?

Whatever his future holds I wouldn’t put it past Chicago from blowing it due to cheaping out or general incompetence.

[stellation]

Giddey averaged 21.2 points, 10.7 rebounds, 9.3 assists and 1.5 steals in 34.2 minutes per game on .620 true shooting after the All-Star break — obscene, Jokić-type stats — to help fuel a late-season run that saw the Bulls win 15 of their final 21 games.

Good lord. And only age 22.

Still, you’d like him to prove it this season before paying him $100 million. Just like Kuminga, Grimes, Cam Thomas, etc.

I’d take Giddey over all the Barrett’s and Kuminga’s and Thomas’s and Monk’s in the NBA.

Can contribute in multiple ways. Also worth noting that his 3pt% has improved every year in the league to a very respectable level on good volume last year. Good trend to see.

In a great example of how people can try to use stats to weave whatever narrative they like, I read a “be wary, Chicago” article a few weeks ago that tried to make a point that his 3 point shooting last year was solid but may be an aberration as it was higher than previous seasons. Then listed the % by season, which immediately showed consistent gradual improvement- obviously normally a selling point on a young guy.

[ShootingtheJ]

Giddey is great if you don't watch the games. Still unguarded from 3. Slow release. Overhandles the ball. Doesn't defend.

Sure, he can be the guy on a mediocre team, but he's a terrible fit next to Giannis, or any team that has playoff aspirations.