Kuminga sign and trade Bulls interest

[Chi town]

Someone refresh me on the numbers…

If Kuminga signs for 20M AAV how much do we need to send out?

[jnrjr79]

Someone refresh me on the numbers…

If Kuminga signs for 20M AAV how much do we need to send out?

Doug posted something on this yesterday. If I understand it correctly, Kuminga at $20M will count as $10M to GS. For teams below the apron, for contracts that "count" as being between $7,250,001 and $29 million, you just have to be within $7.5M of the matching salary. So, if Kuminga "counts" as $10 million for GS due to the BYC rule, then anything basically between $2.5M and $17.5M would do it.

https://www.sportsbusinessclassroom.com/understanding-trade-matching-in-the-new-collective-bargaining-agreement/

[Chi town]

Someone refresh me on the numbers…

If Kuminga signs for 20M AAV how much do we need to send out?

Doug posted something on this yesterday. If I understand it correctly, Kuminga at $20M will count as $10M to GS. For teams below the apron, for contracts that "count" as being between $7,250,001 and $29 million, you just have to be within $7.5M of the matching salary. So, if Kuminga "counts" as $10 million for GS due to the BYC rule, then anything basically between $2.5M and $17.5M would do it.

https://www.sportsbusinessclassroom.com/understanding-trade-matching-in-the-new-collective-bargaining-agreement/

K. That means Pat is completely out of the question.

Wonder if Bulls could be a 3 way where Kuminga gets somewhere else and Dubs get Ayo but we get a better fit… cuz we know AK won’t accept a pick.

[jnrjr79]

Someone refresh me on the numbers…

If Kuminga signs for 20M AAV how much do we need to send out?

Doug posted something on this yesterday. If I understand it correctly, Kuminga at $20M will count as $10M to GS. For teams below the apron, for contracts that "count" as being between $7,250,001 and $29 million, you just have to be within $7.5M of the matching salary. So, if Kuminga "counts" as $10 million for GS due to the BYC rule, then anything basically between $2.5M and $17.5M would do it.

https://www.sportsbusinessclassroom.com/understanding-trade-matching-in-the-new-collective-bargaining-agreement/

K. That means Pat is completely out of the question.

Wonder if Bulls could be a 3 way where Kuminga gets somewhere else and Dubs get Ayo but we get a better fit… cuz we know AK won’t accept a pick.

Pat makes a flat $18 million, so. you'd just have to bump Kuminga up to $21M or higher to make it work. (21M / 2 =10.5M + 7.5M =18M)

[Chi town]

Doug posted something on this yesterday. If I understand it correctly, Kuminga at $20M will count as $10M to GS. For teams below the apron, for contracts that "count" as being between $7,250,001 and $29 million, you just have to be within $7.5M of the matching salary. So, if Kuminga "counts" as $10 million for GS due to the BYC rule, then anything basically between $2.5M and $17.5M would do it.

https://www.sportsbusinessclassroom.com/understanding-trade-matching-in-the-new-collective-bargaining-agreement/

K. That means Pat is completely out of the question.

Wonder if Bulls could be a 3 way where Kuminga gets somewhere else and Dubs get Ayo but we get a better fit… cuz we know AK won’t accept a pick.

Pat makes a flat $18 million, so. you'd just have to bump Kuminga up to $21M or higher to make it work. (21M / 2 =10.5M + 7.5M =18M)

So would you rather have Pat at 4/72 or Kuminga at 3/75?

So if we add Ayo who makes 7M we’d have to pay Kuminga 28M? Way too much.

[Am2626]

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Suns and Kings being the most aggressive

GS not enormed by the trades they’ve heard so far

The no Chicago interest seems back up reports that the interest is coming mostly from Kuminga's camp. Shams said his #1 priorities are minutes & shots, I could see how he believes he can come in here and be our #1 scorer if White leave next summer.

I think any "Kuminga to Chicago" hypothetical died with the Okoro trade,Jake Fischer said Kuminga's camp wanted to S&T Kuminga to Chicago for Lonzo.

Don’t Kuminga and Okoro complement each other well? I can see each guy hide each other’s deficiencies. I also can see this trade being able to get done using Ayo. Would be even better if Pat Williams can be moved as well.

[jnrjr79]

K. That means Pat is completely out of the question.

Wonder if Bulls could be a 3 way where Kuminga gets somewhere else and Dubs get Ayo but we get a better fit… cuz we know AK won’t accept a pick.

Pat makes a flat $18 million, so. you'd just have to bump Kuminga up to $21M or higher to make it work. (21M / 2 =10.5M + 7.5M =18M)

So would you rather have Pat at 4/72 or Kuminga at 3/75?

So if we add Ayo who makes 7M we’d have to pay Kuminga 28M? Way too much.

Ugh, this is a tough question. I'd probably rather have Pat if he's playing decent defense, staying healthy, and hitting 40% of his threes on mid-volume. But will that happen? I'd probably roll the dice on Kuminga, who I am otherwise not super interested in, if last year's Pat Williams is who he is now.

I agree I would not add Ayo.

[WesPeace]

I dont want to lose Ayo at all, even less in a trade for Kuminga

[Red Larrivee]

It kind of sounds like the Warriors and Kuminga want to do the Ayo S+T but the Bulls want to see what happens with Giddey before doing anything else.

Found a tweet saying the same thing.

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This guy (and others) is just remixing something Fischer said weeks ago, except Fischer did not say the Bulls were pursuing Kuminga.

[dougthonus]

It kind of sounds like the Warriors and Kuminga want to do the Ayo S+T but the Bulls want to see what happens with Giddey before doing anything else.

Found a tweet saying the same thing.

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That tweet doesn't mention Ayo at all, and is the same level of stuff floating around that the Bulls are interested with literally no backing information whatsoever that makes it sound like a dead rumor (ie, we had a phone call once and are still reporting on it), propaganda by his agent to try to make a non-existent market, or just complete BS where some things are inferred through reasoning then extrapolated into a report.

Things you would see if this was real:
Reports of us talking to GS directly
Reports of us talking to Kuminga's agent directly
Rumors of what we'd offer in trade compensation
Rumors of what we'd offer in salary compensation

None of that is there in any of the Kuminga reporting connecting to the Bulls, and we just had a really direct report from Shams about two teams with offers on the table, if we were really in the mix then you'd think we'd be in that report too.

FWIW, there's also no practical reason that we need to resolve Giddey before Kuminga if we wanted Kuminga. We have enough room under the tax for both given the salary we'd need to trade to get Kuminga.

[dougthonus]

Don’t Kuminga and Okoro complement each other well? I can see each guy hide each other’s deficiencies. I also can see this trade being able to get done using Ayo. Would be even better if Pat Williams can be moved as well.

Kuminga doesn't really complement anyone, because he's a below average defender, poor BBIQ guy, sub par playmaker, and poor floor spacer. What weakness does Kuminga cover for anyone or enable for anyone? He literally is below average in all complementary skills. Maybe best thing you could say he complements is an uptempo offense that runs a lot, but literally every athletic guy in the league complements that so it isn't much of a differentiator.

[greenwing]

Don’t Kuminga and Okoro complement each other well? I can see each guy hide each other’s deficiencies. I also can see this trade being able to get done using Ayo. Would be even better if Pat Williams can be moved as well.

Kuminga doesn't really complement anyone, because he's a below average defender, poor BBIQ guy, sub par playmaker, and poor floor spacer. What weakness does Kuminga cover for anyone or enable for anyone? He literally is below average in all complementary skills. Maybe best thing you could say he complements is an uptempo offense that runs a lot, but literally every athletic guy in the league complements that so it isn't much of a differentiator.

I think there's a reason you hear Ayo's name floated in a potentail Kuminga deal. And that's because Ayo is arguably a more useful player. He plays good defense, is a better shooter with more a consistent longer range on his shot and is a player willing to buy into the system. People are getting caught up in Kuminga's age and athleticism when in reality his TS% is similar to Ayo even though he tends to score closer to the basket and the only real advantage he has over Ayo is that he's more capable of getting to the free throw line which has given him a higher PPG average. If this were a case of the Bulls wanted to move a non-essential part for a position of need that would be one thing. While Ayo is technically replacable, Kuminga would basically be taking minutes away from Matas and likely developmental minutes away from Essengue. The larger question is does Kuminga move the needle in a weakened EC? If the Bulls think so I can understand why they'd make the move. But I don't view trading Ayo for Kuminga as some sort of huge upgrade for us.

[sco]

Don’t Kuminga and Okoro complement each other well? I can see each guy hide each other’s deficiencies. I also can see this trade being able to get done using Ayo. Would be even better if Pat Williams can be moved as well.

Kuminga doesn't really complement anyone, because he's a below average defender, poor BBIQ guy, sub par playmaker, and poor floor spacer. What weakness does Kuminga cover for anyone or enable for anyone? He literally is below average in all complementary skills. Maybe best thing you could say he complements is an uptempo offense that runs a lot, but literally every athletic guy in the league complements that so it isn't much of a differentiator.

Also, if we traded for Kuminga, the only way to start him would be to bench Okoro (or Giddey or Matas, but that's not happening).

Given that AK has not said anything on the topic, I don't see anything happening for Kuminga.

[jnrjr79]

Don’t Kuminga and Okoro complement each other well? I can see each guy hide each other’s deficiencies. I also can see this trade being able to get done using Ayo. Would be even better if Pat Williams can be moved as well.

Kuminga doesn't really complement anyone, because he's a below average defender, poor BBIQ guy, sub par playmaker, and poor floor spacer. What weakness does Kuminga cover for anyone or enable for anyone? He literally is below average in all complementary skills. Maybe best thing you could say he complements is an uptempo offense that runs a lot, but literally every athletic guy in the league complements that so it isn't much of a differentiator.

Also, if we traded for Kuminga, the only way to start him would be to bench Okoro (or Giddey or Matas, but that's not happening).

Given that AK has not said anything on the topic, I don't see anything happening for Kuminga.

AK's comments on the Okoro trade were basically "we feel like the team had an offensive identity, but needed a defensive identity, too." I agree it would be a little odd to see him relegate Okoro to the bench to give Kuminga a whirl if he really means that the team needs to start putting more focus on capable defenders.

[biggestbullsfan]

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This is funny, cuz if he worth all that, why they not trying to keep him lol

[waffle]

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This is funny, cuz if he worth all that, why they not trying to keep him lol

Yeah, that merits a "har, sure"

[coldfish]

The more I read about Kuminga the less I want him.

[meekrab]

K. That means Pat is completely out of the question.

Wonder if Bulls could be a 3 way where Kuminga gets somewhere else and Dubs get Ayo but we get a better fit… cuz we know AK won’t accept a pick.

Pat makes a flat $18 million, so. you'd just have to bump Kuminga up to $21M or higher to make it work. (21M / 2 =10.5M + 7.5M =18M)

So would you rather have Pat at 4/72 or Kuminga at 3/75?

So if we add Ayo who makes 7M we’d have to pay Kuminga 28M? Way too much.

Why would we add Ayo? Kuminga's market value is zero or negative.

[kodo]

I wonder if both Kuminga & Giddey take QOs, would be a rarity but at the same time I don't think I've ever seen a FA with 0/30 teams with cap space. Someone is going to offer either guy $25M next season, especially with the cap skyrocketing up every year. It's predicated to be a $200M lux tax in 2027 which is where most teams want to operate just below.

[meekrab]

I wonder if both Kuminga & Giddey take QOs, would be a rarity but at the same time I don't think I've ever seen a FA with 0/30 teams with cap space. Someone is going to offer either guy $25M next season, especially with the cap skyrocketing up every year. It's predicated to be a $200M lux tax in 2027 which is where most teams want to operate just below.

The QO is insultingly low by design, the risk for a young guy who thinks he's worth 3x the offer is pretty high.