Kuminga to SAC, is there a middle ground?

[penbeast0]

I would assume any Kuminga to SAC deal is for DeRozan and draft capital. He's not a great fit in GS but neither is Kuminga and at least, presumably, DeRozan will want to be there. DeRozan's salary gets Kuminga closer to, but not all the way to, where he wants to be so let's assume he will sign for that. I would assume SAC gives GS their 2026 1st in the deal, the level of protection can be fought out but I would assume fairly light, like top 4.

GS gets a scorer they can use as a centerpiece when Curry and Butler are not playing, at the downside of DD not being a 3 point scorer, needing the ball in his hands, and quite possibly not being happy coming off the bench. Defense also an issue but when they do need that scoring, DeRozan is still one of the premier iso scorers in the league.

SAC gets a younger, bigger player who can play good defense at a reasonable cost. The team still isn't a real contender even if improved and it is a 1st round draft choice.

[NW]

Base Year Compensation. Derozan makes too much to be dealt for Kuminga. He (or Monk) would likely be in the trade and sent to a third team to clear space for Kuminga to Sac and possibly bring something in return that GS would want

[LightTheBeam]

From what I understand, the offer is

Monk to 3rd team
Carter/Saric/2nds to GS
Kuminga to Sac

I dont think GS can take Derozan, unless we pay Kuminga 30 million and find a team to take Buddy.

From what I heard, "kings have upped the offer from a 2nd to a protected 1st". I think its probably the Minnesota 1st, at least I hope it is. If the Kings give any version of our 2026 1st, the entire organization should be relegated to the gleague.

[jayjaysee]

I think you can build..

Moody to third team
Monk to GSW
Kuminga to Sac

And not trigger a first apron hard cap for GS. Figure out how to make the value work, but Monk should be able to play with Buddy or Curry? Figure out how to make the value work there.

I don’t really like Demar/Butler pairing, so think if that’s what Sac wants, you’re looking for a third team for Demar imo.

[NW]

I think you can build..

Moody to third team
Monk to GSW
Kuminga to Sac

And not trigger a first apron hard cap for GS. Figure out how to make the value work, but Monk should be able to play with Buddy or Curry? Figure out how to make the value work there.

I don’t really like Demar/Butler pairing, so think if that’s what Sac wants, you’re looking for a third team for Demar imo.

Warriors have no interest in Monk. His contract exceeds the two year Steph window limit that Lacob has apparently applied

[parsnips33]

Haven't seen anything indicating DeRozan to GSW

Kings offered Carter-Saric and a pick. Warriors seem to have been pushing for Keon Ellis or Murray. Doesn't seem like we're interested in Monk, although I wouldn't mind him personally

Really hoping we can pull Keon Ellis

[LightTheBeam]

I still don't get why GS won't give up here.

Kuminga doesn't want to be there. They don't want Kuminga.
Their whole off-season has been on hold waiting for that.

If the Kings are stupid enough to increase their offer, GS is super lucky they are dealing with an incompetent organization. Carter/Saric/2nds is more than enough IMO for a S&T on a guy like Kuminga. If the report Sac increased to any type of 1st + carter, GS would be insane to turn that down.

[donkeylips]

Can saric be combined in a trade already?

[NW]

I still don't get why GS won't give up here.

Kuminga doesn't want to be there. They don't want Kuminga.
Their whole off-season has been on hold waiting for that.

If the Kings are stupid enough to increase their offer, GS is super lucky they are dealing with an incompetent organization. Carter/Saric/2nds is more than enough IMO for a S&T on a guy like Kuminga. If the report Sac increased to any type of 1st + carter, GS would be insane to turn that down.

They don’t want Kuminga at the number he wants. Which is fine, I don’t think anyone else, including the Kings, want him at that price point either. If they do, then it’s ridiculous to haggle over Keon Ellis imo.

Regardless, it’s not about the Warriors wanting Kuminga, it’s about the Kings wanting him.

The Carter deal is the worst option-depending on the protections on the first.

Re-signing him to a short around 3 year deal around $20 mil is better than Carter
Letting him walk for nothing and opening the NPTMLE of $14 mil likely nets a better player(s) than Carter.
The possibility of him taking the QO is a bluff the Warriors seem willing to call

[xdrta+]

Can saric be combined in a trade already?

No.

[LightTheBeam]

I still don't get why GS won't give up here.

Kuminga doesn't want to be there. They don't want Kuminga.
Their whole off-season has been on hold waiting for that.

If the Kings are stupid enough to increase their offer, GS is super lucky they are dealing with an incompetent organization. Carter/Saric/2nds is more than enough IMO for a S&T on a guy like Kuminga. If the report Sac increased to any type of 1st + carter, GS would be insane to turn that down.

They don’t want Kuminga at the number he wants. Which is fine, I don’t think anyone else, including the Kings, want him at that price point either. If they do, then it’s ridiculous to haggle over Keon Ellis imo.

Regardless, it’s not about the Warriors wanting Kuminga, it’s about the Kings wanting him.

The Carter deal is the worst option-depending on the protections on the first.

Re-signing him to a short around 3 year deal around $20 mil is better than Carter
Letting him walk for nothing and opening the NPTMLE of $14 mil likely nets a better player(s) than Carter.
The possibility of him taking the QO is a bluff the Warriors seem willing to call

My read is that GS doesn't really want him. They want to sign him at a contract they feel he is still tradable at the deadline.

And if GS feels that way, they should renounce him and move forward with the Full MLE. Go sign Horford, go sign Brogdon/Payton or whoever.

I'm okay with taking a chance that Kuminga grows as a player at the right price. But realistically, If I was the GM I laugh at giving a 1st for the right to pay this guy. Not a known defender, 4 years in and still not a shooter. What exactly is his best quality? He's 6'8 and still relatively young.

I maintain, if the Kings org is stupid enough to give a 1st and Carter for Kuminga, Dunleavy would be a fool not to accept that. To me that's better than whatever they can get for MLE at this point. And at the deadline you can flip some combo with some picks for a player who can actually contribute to a potential run this year.

[Devilanche]

Has there been a leak on the number Kuminga wants and the number GSW is offering?

[NW]

I still don't get why GS won't give up here.

Kuminga doesn't want to be there. They don't want Kuminga.
Their whole off-season has been on hold waiting for that.

If the Kings are stupid enough to increase their offer, GS is super lucky they are dealing with an incompetent organization. Carter/Saric/2nds is more than enough IMO for a S&T on a guy like Kuminga. If the report Sac increased to any type of 1st + carter, GS would be insane to turn that down.

They don’t want Kuminga at the number he wants. Which is fine, I don’t think anyone else, including the Kings, want him at that price point either. If they do, then it’s ridiculous to haggle over Keon Ellis imo.

Regardless, it’s not about the Warriors wanting Kuminga, it’s about the Kings wanting him.

The Carter deal is the worst option-depending on the protections on the first.

Re-signing him to a short around 3 year deal around $20 mil is better than Carter
Letting him walk for nothing and opening the NPTMLE of $14 mil likely nets a better player(s) than Carter.
The possibility of him taking the QO is a bluff the Warriors seem willing to call

My read is that GS doesn't really want him. They want to sign him at a contract they feel he is still tradable at the deadline.

And if GS feels that way, they should renounce him and move forward with the Full MLE. Go sign Horford, go sign Brogdon/Payton or whoever.

I'm okay with taking a chance that Kuminga grows as a player at the right price. But realistically, If I was the GM I laugh at giving a 1st for the right to pay this guy. Not a known defender, 4 years in and still not a shooter. What exactly is his best quality? He's 6'8 and still relatively young.

I maintain, if the Kings org is stupid enough to give a 1st and Carter for Kuminga, Dunleavy would be a fool not to accept that. To me that's better than whatever they can get for MLE at this point. And at the deadline you can flip some combo with some picks for a player who can actually contribute to a potential run this year.

IMO, They need the things he brings and are willing to give him a chance next year (especially with the likely time guys like Steph and Jimmy will miss) while understanding he may not come around.

Either way, he’s an asset that you don’t give away for nothing or a low return.

The Carter deal is all about the first, which from what I’ve seen in Sac media is a first in name only. Protected enough that the likely scenario is it turns into a second or two. If that’s the case, I’ll take a chance that a Kuminga at around $20 gets a better return in January. Heck, go back to the Kings and talk Derozan then.

IMO, GS and Sac have been negotiating. Sac started at Carter/Saric/seconds, GS countered with Murray. Neither side likely thought either would be accepted. Sac moved up to a protected first, GS moved down to Ellis. My guess is the next step is either protections on the first get lowered or Ellis gets added and the protections remain.

Or JK re-ups with GS

[NW]

Has there been a leak on the number Kuminga wants and the number GSW is offering?

GS beat writer Anthony Slater said Kuminga wanted something comparable to what Jalen Johnson got in Atlanta.

GS is talking somewhere in the $20 mil range

[MasterIchiro]

Am I the only one who thinks a team will pay the Nets to facilitate cap and offer Kuminga 25 million per season?

I think the holdup is the Warriors are threatening to match unless they get serious assets.

So teams don't want to pay one 1st plus 1 prospect for the privilege of paying Kuminga 25 million per. Then paying the Nets for cap.

Someone may price him out of GS.

[Devilanche]

Has there been a leak on the number Kuminga wants and the number GSW is offering?

GS beat writer Anthony Slater said Kuminga wanted something comparable to what Jalen Johnson got in Atlanta.

GS is talking somewhere in the $20 mil range

Thanks that’s still a huge gap and there’s a limit of team that can offer him that contract right now at the tail end of free agency.

[NW]

Am I the only one who thinks a team will pay the Nets to facilitate cap and offer Kuminga 25 million per season?

I think the holdup is the Warriors are threatening to match unless they get serious assets.

So teams don't want to pay one 1st plus 1 prospect for the privilege of paying Kuminga 25 million per. Then paying the Nets for cap.

Someone may price him out of GS.

It’s a small possibility and why the Horford and Melton deals aren’t official for the fear of hard capping them and someone trying that.

But seems a small threat with few teams able to get to that level of cap room. The Wizards maybe. 1-2 others, but I don’t see them doing it

[ChuckDurn]

Am I the only one who thinks a team will pay the Nets to facilitate cap and offer Kuminga 25 million per season?

I think the holdup is the Warriors are threatening to match unless they get serious assets.

So teams don't want to pay one 1st plus 1 prospect for the privilege of paying Kuminga 25 million per. Then paying the Nets for cap.

Someone may price him out of GS.

As NW already responded, there is less reality to this happening than one would think. So many teams are so far over the cap that they can’t get to “far enough under the cap to offer Kuminga more than the Warriors are willing to pay” that there are only a couple who could actually even try it. Bearing in mind they’d be dumping assets to get to the financial position of then offering Kuminga an “above market” deal, it is a really bad idea for anybody to even try it.

The Athletic had an article today where they had surveyed (anonymously) 15 GM’s, effectively asking what they thought Kuminga should get. The highest one suggested a 5-year, $125M deal, and that was a total outlier. About 2/3 of them said he should get a 2- or 3-year deal, generally around $20M/year. Some were as low as $15M / year.

[jbk1234]

Am I the only one who thinks a team will pay the Nets to facilitate cap and offer Kuminga 25 million per season?

I think the holdup is the Warriors are threatening to match unless they get serious assets.

So teams don't want to pay one 1st plus 1 prospect for the privilege of paying Kuminga 25 million per. Then paying the Nets for cap.

Someone may price him out of GS.

If a team wants to offer Kuminga $25M, then they should do the trade with the Nets, present the offer sheet, and call the Warriors bluff. Maybe offer a 2nd and TPE not to match.

[ChuckDurn]

Am I the only one who thinks a team will pay the Nets to facilitate cap and offer Kuminga 25 million per season?

I think the holdup is the Warriors are threatening to match unless they get serious assets.

So teams don't want to pay one 1st plus 1 prospect for the privilege of paying Kuminga 25 million per. Then paying the Nets for cap.

Someone may price him out of GS.

If a team wants to offer Kuminga $25M, then they should do the trade with the Nets, present the offer sheet, and call the Warriors bluff. Maybe offer a 2nd and TPE not to match.

Procedurally, a TPE just automatically happens if a player is traded and no player / salary is received in return. There is no such thing as “offering a TPE”……

I’m not necessarily convinced the Warriors wouldn’t match that anyway. They seem to want to keep a salary slot of that amount (give or take) open in order to keep alive the possibility of trading for another player with a big salary, without trading any of Curry, Butler, or Draymond. There is certainly a “walk away number” above which the Warriors wouldn’t say “okay…… he’s all yours”. But I’m not sure it’s at $25M.