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[tedbrogen]

Are we really arguing whether Kuzma for Barrett and a 1st would be a good trade to make?

Wtf guys? You're better then this

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There’s no realistic possibility in my eyes that the Raps throw in a first. It’s far more likely the Bucks have to add sweetener to the deal because Kuz is coming off a hilariously bad playoff showing and subsequent benching after multiple years of tank commanding.

And even in a straight up deal if that’s somehow on the table, I’m not sold that RJB is anything more than a slightly less awful fit than Kuz who you will have to give 30+mpg game to because I guess he’s a quarter inch longer than GTJ and can kind of create for other if you take the ball out of GA and KPJ’s hands, although if other teams just play him straight up, he’s more than likely going to be below league average inefficiency at everything besides corner threes. Oh, and he’s another awful foul shooter to have out there late in close games.

The only positives I see with RJB is he is younger than Kuz and much more willing to only take efficient shots (even if he is not actually efficient at making them).

I’d rather add a first to Kuz for Wiggins.

[Ron Swanson]

Are you saying that the only people that will work for this team around GA are shooters?

Just an FYI..In 23/24 and 24/25 Barrett was a 48%/35% and Middleton in 22/23 n 23/24 was 47%/35% ( took out injured last year )

Feels like we're really back on the mindset of "just throw 4 shooters (doesn't matter if they can't create) around Giannis and everything will be fine" and it's an overly simplified philosophy I've never agreed with. Having multiple ball-handlers/shot-creators is pretty much the one constant variable to any elite offense these days, and without a coach who runs a heavy pick and roll or motion offense, I'd argue it's even more important for us to find these kinds of guys wherever you can. You obviously wanna avoid the non-spacers and straight up liability guys, but a dude who shoots 35% overall on high volume isn't gonna muck up your spacing to any notable degree.

Eric Bledsoe shot 34% from three in the first two Bud years. /YouSureAboutThat.gif

Weird to try and imply that the two years this team was putting up historical net-ratings and absolutely boat-racing the league were somehow non-optimized offensive units. If Eric Bledsoe shot 34% from 3 in the playoffs, we waltz to a championship.

[tedbrogen]

Feels like we're really back on the mindset of "just throw 4 shooters (doesn't matter if they can't create) around Giannis and everything will be fine" and it's an overly simplified philosophy I've never agreed with. Having multiple ball-handlers/shot-creators is pretty much the one constant variable to any elite offense these days, and without a coach who runs a heavy pick and roll or motion offense, I'd argue it's even more important for us to find these kinds of guys wherever you can. You obviously wanna avoid the non-spacers and straight up liability guys, but a dude who shoots 35% overall on high volume isn't gonna muck up your spacing to any notable degree.

Eric Bledsoe shot 34% from three in the first two Bud years. /YouSureAboutThat.gif

Weird to try and imply that the two years this team was putting up historical net-ratings and absolutely boat-racing the league were somehow non-optimized offensive units. If Eric Bledsoe shot 34% from 3 in the playoffs, we waltz to a championship.

The point I was making is that below average three point shooters might be more inclined to absolutely fall on their face when you get to the playoffs and teams decide they will live with that guy taking a dozen or more threes if it means keeping GA from the rim.

Those teams failing in the postseason goes to show you that even a great team is only as good as its weakest link. We all know Bled was not dependable outside shooter and that got exploited as it will if you have Kuz or RJB or whoever off ball in the playoffs with GA attacking.

Kuz might be better to keep than RJB if it’s all about preserving the salary slot because it’s much easier to bench Kuz in the postseason in all likelihood.

[Ron Swanson]

Kevin Porter Jr. is a career 35.1% 3PT and 73% from the line shooter, so this all feels pretty ironic if that's the threshold we think equates to a spacing issue. The point is that being able to do stuff off the dribble like both those guys can, is inherently more important than the difference between a 35% and 38% shooter that's only out there to stand behind the 3PT line. I mean hell, just imagine Barrett as a secondary play-maker with Giannis and Myles Truner as his rolling bigs instead of *checks video*, Jakob Poeltl and Chris Boucher....

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[yb90]

Eric Bledsoe shot 34% from three in the first two Bud years. /YouSureAboutThat.gif

Weird to try and imply that the two years this team was putting up historical net-ratings and absolutely boat-racing the league were somehow non-optimized offensive units. If Eric Bledsoe shot 34% from 3 in the playoffs, we waltz to a championship.

The point I was making is that below average three point shooters might be more inclined to absolutely fall on their face when you get to the playoffs and teams decide they will live with that guy taking a dozen or more threes if it means keeping GA from the rim.

Those teams failing in the postseason goes to show you that even a great team is only as good as its weakest link. We all know Bled was not dependable outside shooter and that got exploited as it will if you have Kuz or RJB or whoever off ball in the playoffs with GA attacking.

Kuz might be better to keep than RJB if it’s all about preserving the salary slot because it’s much easier to bench Kuz in the postseason in all likelihood.

So you think a $5m difference will keep a player on the court in the postseason? I doubt it makes a difference. RBJ's shooting is an issue but he has had a year shooting 40% from 3. Yes he tanked in the playoffs that year but did shot 38% from 3 well in his last playoff round. It's definitely a roll of the dice but I think it's one worth taking.

Sidenote: Wiggins' numbers looked a lot like Barrett's in his first six years. Wiggins was a guy I wanted last year and a guy who I thought the Bucks should go after when they were trading Midds. I don't think I would trade a 1st for him now and I don't think he is on the market right now after the Powell trade. The Heat adding Wiggins and Powell for Butler is an upgrade that people are sleeping on.

[emunney]

Sixers waived Ricky Council. I'd be game for picking him up.

[tedbrogen]

Kevin Porter Jr. is a career 35.1% 3PT and 73% from the line shooter, so this all feels pretty ironic if that's the threshold we think equates to a spacing issue. The point is that being able to do stuff off the dribble like both those guys can, is inherently more important than the difference between a 35% and 38% shooter that's only out there to stand behind the 3PT line. I mean hell, just imagine Barrett as a secondary play-maker with Giannis and Myles Truner as his rolling bigs instead of *checks video*, Jakob Poeltl and Chris Boucher....

Watch on YouTube

KPJ is his last year with the Rockets when things seemed to click for him: 37% on threes 78% from the line. KPJ playing with GA last year: 40% on threes 87% from the line (30 game sample size of course).

I already view KPJ as the secondary playmaker, so personally I’m not in a rush to acquire a guy who is clearly available for a reason (inefficient O with no D). I’d rather see what KPJ does in an expanded role first.

If it were up to me (and it’s not), I’d move Kuz to third string PF who only plays if one of GA, Bobby, or Turner are out, split all the minutes at the 1/2/3 between KPJ (30)/AJG (30)/GTJ (30)/Rollins (25)/Anthony (14)/Harris (5)/Prince (10). Three guards at all times.

[Plossum]

Wiggins is just so meh.

He has had one anomaly of a season in 2022 and has been so ineffectual in every other year of his career. Giving up any sort of first to acquire him would be GM malpractice.

[soxperry]

I think we are smartly going to give kpj every opportunity to prove himself before spending assets to acquire a similar player. It cost us absolutely nothing so why not start there

[tedbrogen]

I do appreciate a good highlight video though so kudos, even if it ignores the fact RJB was in the 50th percentile as a PnR ballhandler last season. (Midds corpse was in the 64th, Kuz was in the 62nd with the Bucks, KPJ was in the 92nd with the Bucks, Cam Thomas 87th, GTJ 84th, GA 82nd). To be fair to RJB, I went and checked every year of his career, last season was BY FAR the best PnR ballhandler for his career.

[Prez]

2019 Wes would be so dope on this team. If Prince could be even 70% of 2019 Wes we'd be in a great spot but the dude **** sucks.

[tedbrogen]

RJB Iso last season: 43rd percentile
Transition: 34th percentile
Roll Man: 5th percentile
Post Up: 78th (GA is only 45th and Bobby is only 32nd so Doc should stop running post ups for them)
Spot Up: 40th
Cut: 32nd
Off Screens: 47th

So without assuming some sort of leveling up, he’s best used posting up or standing in the corner. Otherwise, you’re asking him to do things that he has historically been below average at.

[Badgerlander]

Sixers waived Ricky Council. I'd be game for picking him up.

Agreed

[Badgerlander]

2019 Wes would be so dope on this team. If Prince could be even 70% of 2019 Wes we'd be in a great spot but the dude **** sucks.

Wes was a dog his entire career and Prince has always been a pup

[Badgerlander]

Did RJ steal Badgers girlfriend or something?

Happily married for 34 years actually, just don’t see what there is to like about RJ

[ShootingtheJ]

Sixers waived Ricky Council. I'd be game for picking him up.

He's eligible for a 2 way contract. He had a really good rookie year, fell off pretty bad last year.

Ricky Council IV is easily my favorite of the Ricky Councils.

[emunney]

Sixers waived Ricky Council. I'd be game for picking him up.

He's eligible for a 2 way contract. He had a really good rookie year, fell off pretty bad last year.

Ricky Council IV is easily my favorite of the Ricky Councils.

Def in my top 5.

[Matches Malone]

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[Frank Nova]

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#4 as a rookie and then switched to #3, now he’s adding it together for lucky #7. I love that. He’s a dynamo, excited to see him play 30mpg a night. I honestly think he’s going to be in the all star consideration with the likes of the Trae Youngs and Darius Garlands of the east.. he’ll have to be really spectacular to actually get voted in which I’m not boldly saying that, but I think he’s gonna force his way into the conversation. 21/7/4/1/1 plus winning basketball isn’t a huge stretch if he gets 30+mpg imo.

[drone3]

Sixers waived Ricky Council. I'd be game for picking him up.

He's eligible for a 2 way contract. He had a really good rookie year, fell off pretty bad last year.

Ricky Council IV is easily my favorite of the Ricky Councils.

Def in my top 5.

They let him go because he can't shoot