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Re: Wembanyama apparently not happy with the NBA wishing Karl Malone a Happy Bday 

Post#81 » by SkyHook » Fri Jul 25, 2025 10:45 pm

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SkyHook wrote:As a Jazz fan I don't disagree with the sentiment. I lost any respect I had for him when I first learned the name Demetress Bell. For years I have said that his statue in the Delta Center plaza should come down. Nauseating that the league continues to embrace him.

I felt the same way when Deshawn Stevenson was drafted by Utah (ranting about that was one of my first posts on RealGM) and I feel the same way about Kobe as well.


What did Deshawn Stevenson do?

Statutory rape of a girl he knew since she was nine years old.
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Post#82 » by madskillz8 » Fri Jul 25, 2025 10:58 pm

I feel like it is a PR for the US market as it always sells, and he likely knows little about what happened like 40 years ago as a 20 yo unless his agents or PR team tells him - even though I like he's being vocal and I think NBA shouldn't be posting such stuff for Malone.

But if Wemby really likes to be vocal about this kind of stuff, he should better start reading & talking about what France did in Algeria, just 25 years before Karl Malone did that, considering he will likely continue wearing their uniform proudly.

-- Sixty years ago, Algeria won its independence after a brutal war with France. There is plenty of documentation on the 1954-1962 Algerian War, but one topic remains extremely taboo: the systemic rape of Algerian women by French soldiers during the conflict
https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/focus/20220429-rape-as-a-weapon-of-war-france-s-shameful-legacy-in-algeria

-- A man born after his mother was gang-raped by French soldiers during the Algerian war was recognised as a war victim yesterday, in the first ruling of its kind...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/algeria/1363256/1959-Algeria-rape-baby-awarded-war-pension.html
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Re: Wembanyama apparently not happy with the NBA wishing Karl Malone a happy Bday 

Post#83 » by stillgotgame » Fri Jul 25, 2025 11:05 pm

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zimpy27 wrote:It's a complex issue.

By today's standards Malone would've been kicked from the league but it happened over 40 years ago. There are likely many players they know that did similar thing around the early 80s. People hate when you try place things in the context of the time that they occurred. The really complex part though is that Karl and his son have a reportedly close relationship now. There was never any push to press charges at any point by the victim or their family. Bringing this up probably does more harm than good to the innocent people involved.

On the flip side,.social media is never going to forget this and from the PR perspective I wonder why the NBA just hasn't cut ties completely. It'd probably be better for everyone if they just don't mention him like this.

I’m sorry impregnating a 13 yr old 40 year ago was not the norm. I mean 40yrs ago he should have been in jail. It is a crime


Not close to the norm. She was 12 at the oldest when Malone raped her. She was a child, probably in 5th or 6th grade.
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Re: Wembanyama apparently not happy with the NBA wishing Karl Malone a happy Bday 

Post#84 » by AleksandarN » Fri Jul 25, 2025 11:06 pm

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zimpy27 wrote:It's a complex issue.

By today's standards Malone would've been kicked from the league but it happened over 40 years ago. There are likely many players they know that did similar thing around the early 80s. People hate when you try place things in the context of the time that they occurred. The really complex part though is that Karl and his son have a reportedly close relationship now. There was never any push to press charges at any point by the victim or their family. Bringing this up probably does more harm than good to the innocent people involved.

On the flip side,.social media is never going to forget this and from the PR perspective I wonder why the NBA just hasn't cut ties completely. It'd probably be better for everyone if they just don't mention him like this.

I’m sorry impregnating a 13 yr old 40 year ago was not the norm. I mean 40yrs ago he should have been in jail. It is a crime


Not close to the norm. She was 12 at the oldest when Malone raped her. She was a child, probably in 5th or 6th grade.
Gloria Bell was born in 1971. Demetress Bell was born on May 3,1984.

To think he called her his girlfriend. So you know this wasn’t a one time thing. **** disgusting
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Post#85 » by DC_Melo » Fri Jul 25, 2025 11:13 pm

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We agree it's not the norm. It's a crime.

But and I just had this weird chat with a friend where he was showing me a picture of some creep taking a picture of his granddaughter in a thong on the beach. And...well I'm an adult and looking at this pic and I'm like..wait...how old is she? She was 14. And my guy....I've seen 20 year old women who looked younger than her. It was jarring...I think I have an ok judgement of ages and WTF!

The point is...at 19 he was just going off his junk and wasn't thinking. As insanely gross as that age stuff is....if the looks were there, a stupid person isn't going to go further.

So while I'm cool if you hate the guy for all this. If she looked 20 and was 12-13, and he didn't think about it (as many guys that age don't)...the stigma and the media coverage on why you don't do that wasn't there.

I'm glad today we make sure to teach men to realize that's a serious problem, but we didn't do that historically. You don't have to think it as ok or acceptable. Just realize the stigma wasn't there like now. And that women can look way way older than you expect. Two things to think about.


So… I teach middle school students. Most of them are 12-13. They are children. Even the ones that appear physically advanced for their age, it takes 5 seconds of conversation to realize you are talking to a child. And the girl was 12 when he impregnated her. 12. Not even a teen.

This was in no way an age entrapment situation, which is what you are describing. Malone is a sick man. He should be in jail. The era was not an excuse in the sense that the crime was tolerable then. It wasn’t.

The era is “only to blame” in the sense that if there was social media coverage like there is today, advocacy groups and law firms and would be reaching out to her family, she would much more likely be pressing charges, and law enforcement would be getting involved in one way or other, not to mention the insanse social media pressure the Jazz and NBA would be facing from their fans.

And to be clear, the only real person to blame here is Malone.


You assume malone was a man mentally average level here too...and at 19 low IQ people struggles are likely...given malone isn't known as a smart guy.

But to be clear, I said clearly he was a criminal (as I said). So lets keep this clear.


I believe that u think he’s a criminal, and I don’t want to suggest u said otherwise.

But what I assume is that Karl Malone was a fully legal grown adult. The law cares little if that adult is smart or not, and quite frankly neither do I
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Re: Wembanyama apparently not happy with the NBA wishing Karl Malone a Happy Bday 

Post#86 » by The Master » Fri Jul 25, 2025 11:33 pm

madskillz8 wrote:I feel like it is a PR for the US market as it always sells, and he likely knows little about what happened like 40 years ago as a 20 yo unless his agents or PR team tells him - even though I like he's being vocal and I think NBA shouldn't be posting such stuff for Malone.

But if Wemby really likes to be vocal about this kind of stuff, he should better start reading & talking about what France did in Algeria, just 25 years before Karl Malone did that, considering he will likely continue wearing their uniform proudly.

-- Sixty years ago, Algeria won its independence after a brutal war with France. There is plenty of documentation on the 1954-1962 Algerian War, but one topic remains extremely taboo: the systemic rape of Algerian women by French soldiers during the conflict
https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/focus/20220429-rape-as-a-weapon-of-war-france-s-shameful-legacy-in-algeria

-- A man born after his mother was gang-raped by French soldiers during the Algerian war was recognised as a war victim yesterday, in the first ruling of its kind...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/algeria/1363256/1959-Algeria-rape-baby-awarded-war-pension.html


It's not that deep though, story about Malone is well-known and it's not like there's a grey area of interpretation over there. He's just too big figure to be cancelled considering he was a vital part of the history of modern NBA in its golden era, that's why there's a widespread silence about someone who indeed should be under scrutiny to much bigger extent than he's ever been. Whether it is PR or not - Wemby is one of the few players that are in position to criticize the league, and regardless of his intentions - it's good that he's vocal about that.

And him not being Mother Teresa or being a potential hypocrite is also irrelevant, as much as European imperialism should be criticized, as you rightfully point out (I have no idea what are Wemby's thoughts on French colonialism though). He literally just reposted a reaction to activity of his employer.
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Re: Wembanyama apparently not happy with the NBA wishing Karl Malone a happy Bday 

Post#87 » by Capn'O » Sat Jul 26, 2025 12:07 am

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zimpy27 wrote:It's a complex issue.

By today's standards Malone would've been kicked from the league but it happened over 40 years ago. There are likely many players they know that did similar thing around the early 80s. People hate when you try place things in the context of the time that they occurred. The really complex part though is that Karl and his son have a reportedly close relationship now. There was never any push to press charges at any point by the victim or their family. Bringing this up probably does more harm than good to the innocent people involved.

On the flip side,.social media is never going to forget this and from the PR perspective I wonder why the NBA just hasn't cut ties completely. It'd probably be better for everyone if they just don't mention him like this.

I'll be fairly forethcoming here.

I'm definitely not willing to put what Malone did in the "hey, it wasn't as big a deal at the time" category.

In a world full of morally complex issues, I don't think this is one of them.


It's not complex whether what he did should have been excused. He did something truly awful and like many prominent men of the time, Malone should have gone to jail.

What's more complex is what to do about his NBA should do about him now. He did have a legendary career and the impacted family seems to have moved on, with the son even being a part of Malone's life. I'm not sure who blackballing him now would serve.

This would look very different if something surfaced from when he played in the league or since or if the family had ultimately chosen to prosecute.
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Post#88 » by D.Brasco » Sat Jul 26, 2025 12:20 am

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So… I teach middle school students. Most of them are 12-13. They are children. Even the ones that appear physically advanced for their age, it takes 5 seconds of conversation to realize you are talking to a child. And the girl was 12 when he impregnated her. 12. Not even a teen.

This was in no way an age entrapment situation, which is what you are describing. Malone is a sick man. He should be in jail. The era was not an excuse in the sense that the crime was tolerable then. It wasn’t.

The era is “only to blame” in the sense that if there was social media coverage like there is today, advocacy groups and law firms and would be reaching out to her family, she would much more likely be pressing charges, and law enforcement would be getting involved in one way or other, not to mention the insanse social media pressure the Jazz and NBA would be facing from their fans.

And to be clear, the only real person to blame here is Malone.


You assume malone was a man mentally average level here too...and at 19 low IQ people struggles are likely...given malone isn't known as a smart guy.

But to be clear, I said clearly he was a criminal (as I said). So lets keep this clear.


I believe that u think he’s a criminal, and I don’t want to suggest u said otherwise.

But what I assume is that Karl Malone was a fully legal grown adult. The law cares little if that adult is smart or not, and quite frankly neither do I


He was literally enrolled at Louisiana Tech University (she was in middle school) at the time, no reason anyone should pretend he was some special needs guy who didn't understand basic laws and morality. He knew what he was doing.
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Post#89 » by thelead » Sat Jul 26, 2025 12:21 am

Wemby gains my respect here. I don't know much about him as a person but stories like this makes me hopeful for youngsters amongst all the degenerate behavior seen everywhere else.
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Post#90 » by madskillz8 » Sat Jul 26, 2025 12:28 am

The Master wrote:
madskillz8 wrote:I feel like it is a PR for the US market as it always sells, and he likely knows little about what happened like 40 years ago as a 20 yo unless his agents or PR team tells him - even though I like he's being vocal and I think NBA shouldn't be posting such stuff for Malone.

But if Wemby really likes to be vocal about this kind of stuff, he should better start reading & talking about what France did in Algeria, just 25 years before Karl Malone did that, considering he will likely continue wearing their uniform proudly.

-- Sixty years ago, Algeria won its independence after a brutal war with France. There is plenty of documentation on the 1954-1962 Algerian War, but one topic remains extremely taboo: the systemic rape of Algerian women by French soldiers during the conflict
https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/focus/20220429-rape-as-a-weapon-of-war-france-s-shameful-legacy-in-algeria

-- A man born after his mother was gang-raped by French soldiers during the Algerian war was recognised as a war victim yesterday, in the first ruling of its kind...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/algeria/1363256/1959-Algeria-rape-baby-awarded-war-pension.html


It's not that deep though, story about Malone is well-known and it's not like there's a grey area of interpretation over there. He's just too big figure to be cancelled considering he was a vital part of the history of modern NBA in its golden era, that's why there's a widespread silence about someone who indeed should be under scrutiny to much bigger extent than he's ever been. Whether it is PR or not - Wemby is one of the few players that are in position to criticize the league, and regardless of his intentions - it's good that he's vocal about that.

And him not being Mother Teresa or being a potential hypocrite is also irrelevant, as much as European imperialism should be criticized, as you rightfully point out (I have no idea what are Wemby's thoughts on French colonialism though). He literally just reposted a reaction to activity of his employer.

Mostly agreed, and I know it is well-known within seasoned NBA fans. Especially in realgm where average age is 35+. I bet we can talk about early 2000s, for example about Jamal Tinsley, Flip Murray, or Wally Sczerbiak but I am just not sure whether half of 20 yo players or fans know a thing or two about Malone, let alone his rape case, even though he was a vital part of the history of modern NBA in its golden era as you said.

Malone last played in 2004, the year which Wemby was born, and by no means he's a popular/fancy basketball figure like Kobe, Shaq, Barkley for 20 yo s since he spent all his career in one the most irrevelant locations in the league. In 2010s & 20s, people talked about John Stockton, arguably the best PG has ever played, only when he came to visit his son's game, "oh look who's in the attendance", while recent wife-beaters like Jason Kidd is still well-appreciated for basketball skills and getting jobs, because hey let's ignore the off-court personal stuff. Same for Bridges. Kobe has a statue in the Staples Center.

I know Malone's case is something else but still - when 20 yo player from France bashes NBA for not cancelling out a rapist (rightfully, but imho inorganically), it is hard for me to ignore the hypocrisy and ignorance, or whatever you called it. Over years, NBA itself and some of their stars has provided enormous levels of hypocrisy, so I am not sure we need a new one.
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Post#91 » by Shaka_Zulu » Sat Jul 26, 2025 12:36 am

bonita_the_frog wrote:Wemby seems like a PR guy, whereas Rudy Gobert is real. I ride Rudy above all other Frenchmen (but overall KD and ANT are my favorites).
Wemby i don't trust, smells fishy.



Let me get this straight:

He smells fishy because he agreed that an adult pedo statutory rapist who got away with grooming and impregnating a 12 year old, shouldn't be still celebrated by the league he is in?
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Post#92 » by Jedi32 » Sat Jul 26, 2025 12:37 am

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Didn't think so.

You got proof of MLK graping someone?

https://theconversation.com/im-an-mlk-scholar-and-ill-never-be-able-to-view-king-in-the-same-light-118015

Not saying he did or didn't but that's hearsay from a man we all know was not liked by the US government. Karl Malone admitted this so it's not the same thing
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Post#93 » by Sofia » Sat Jul 26, 2025 12:41 am

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Ruma85 wrote:I'm curious what does Wemby gain from this?



What did you gain from this post?

I gave him an and1, but I don’t agree with him at all.
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Post#94 » by Shaka_Zulu » Sat Jul 26, 2025 12:42 am

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zimpy27 wrote:It's a complex issue.

By today's standards Malone would've been kicked from the league but it happened over 40 years ago. There are likely many players they know that did similar thing around the early 80s. People hate when you try place things in the context of the time that they occurred. The really complex part though is that Karl and his son have a reportedly close relationship now. There was never any push to press charges at any point by the victim or their family. Bringing this up probably does more harm than good to the innocent people involved.

On the flip side,.social media is never going to forget this and from the PR perspective I wonder why the NBA just hasn't cut ties completely. It'd probably be better for everyone if they just don't mention him like this.

I'll be fairly forethcoming here.

I'm definitely not willing to put what Malone did in the "hey, it wasn't as big a deal at the time" category.

In a world full of morally complex issues, I don't think this is one of them.



Yep, this is not back in the old days gray area and boys will be boys moment that was fine then but morally grandized now as not OK.


AT ANY POINT has it been ok to be a litteral pedophile that impregnates a 12 year old as an adult. And not one time occurance, but had ACTIVE sexual relationship with a 12 year old as an adult.


This is not a 16-17 that is excused as looks older they are that has a 18 old boyfriend or whatever.



It was a litteral pre teen 12 year old child.
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Post#95 » by Sofia » Sat Jul 26, 2025 12:42 am

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Ruma85 wrote:I'm curious what does Wemby gain from this?


To me - it's not about a personal gain, but just voicing his opinion which he should not have any reason to fear.


He shouldn't, though, it won't change anything, in theory he would be out of jail by now, I'm not excusing what he did, just don't see the point.


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Post#96 » by Nate505 » Sat Jul 26, 2025 12:47 am

JimmyPlopper wrote:Rape to me is worse than murder.

I've heard many express this sentiment, but I literally don't understand it.
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Post#97 » by Sofia » Sat Jul 26, 2025 12:47 am

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AleksandarN wrote:
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I dont want to start a 'this is worse' but someone like MLK was renowned for having affairs with up to 40 women (i could be wrong) yet everyone still celebrates what he does. Ironically Tiger got killed for a decade for doing 'less'

I dont have respect for someone who did what Malone did, but this idea that we are still holding people to account for something 40 years ago in such a black and white fashion keeps us in the past rather that moving forward.

Having sex with a 12/13 year old is pedophilia. He should be listed as a sex offender. Btw Malone was NEVER held accountable for having sex with a 12 year old. It is not about having respect it goes beyond that


That's the victim & the families fault.


Oh hell yeah, I love a good victim blame.
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Post#98 » by Sofia » Sat Jul 26, 2025 12:52 am

madskillz8 wrote:I feel like it is a PR for the US market as it always sells, and he likely knows little about what happened like 40 years ago as a 20 yo unless his agents or PR team tells him - even though I like he's being vocal and I think NBA shouldn't be posting such stuff for Malone.

But if Wemby really likes to be vocal about this kind of stuff, he should better start reading & talking about what France did in Algeria, just 25 years before Karl Malone did that, considering he will likely continue wearing their uniform proudly.

-- Sixty years ago, Algeria won its independence after a brutal war with France. There is plenty of documentation on the 1954-1962 Algerian War, but one topic remains extremely taboo: the systemic rape of Algerian women by French soldiers during the conflict
https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/focus/20220429-rape-as-a-weapon-of-war-france-s-shameful-legacy-in-algeria

-- A man born after his mother was gang-raped by French soldiers during the Algerian war was recognised as a war victim yesterday, in the first ruling of its kind...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/algeria/1363256/1959-Algeria-rape-baby-awarded-war-pension.html


Do you think the French government tweets happy birthday to those soldiers involved in the grapes and celebrates them?
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Post#99 » by azcatz11 » Sat Jul 26, 2025 12:53 am

Why wasn’t this talked about at all in the late 90s? Only time I ever heard about this was on realgm. Are we saying morals were different? I find that hard to believe. Someone was covering this up
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Post#100 » by Bornstellar » Sat Jul 26, 2025 12:54 am

bonita_the_frog wrote:Wemby seems like a PR guy, whereas Rudy Gobert is real. I ride Rudy above all other Frenchmen (but overall KD and ANT are my favorites).
Wemby i don't trust, smells fishy.

Nah, Wemby is a 100% genuine dude. If you followed him more closely you'd know. Dude randomly shows up to playgrounds in SA to play with kids and the only reason we know about it is because the kids post about it. He ain't doing it for PR or clout

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