Where Jonathan Kuminga ends ?

[Dan Z]

Kuminga is a mid-NBA player, I don't get why he has this much attention.

He's young and some people still believe in his potential.

My two cents is that he probably is who he is, but that's not to say he won't improve (I think he will).

The Suns make some sense for him because they don't have a PF (except for Fleming, who is a rookie). But what would they give up for him? I can't imagine they'd offer much.

[Dan Z]

Man this RFA market is brutal and should scare the crap out of future extension-eligible players to just take a below max extension once it's on the table. It sucks that these guys are getting squeezed but I think a little more team leverage is a good thing when for so long they were just handing out max contracts to any young player that showed a pulse, which was clearly getting out of hand. There's nothing wrong with "only" getting something like 4/90M if you're a good but not great young player that hasn't proven the ability to impact winning at a high level

It's crazy that 90 million dollars isn't considered a great contract. That's generational wealth if he's smart with his money, but I get it...NBA contract in general have been crazy.

He's getting taxed on $90, but he's still getting close to $35+ after the payouts to agents and whatever else he has.

Plus, he'll probably get endorsement deals during that time too.

I don't know about you, but I can figure out how to make 35 million last for a long time.

[ShootersShoot]

Warriors fans, is his game worth the contract he is trying to get?

No..outside of being a volume scorer with a suspect jumpshot theres nothing else there. He is below average bball IQ on both ends, and worse of all he has no all around game.

Small sample size, but in the 4 games he started against minny in the POs, he averaged 3.5 rpg and 1.3 apg in 31mpg with under a block and steal per game..that is not just mediocre but downright terrible. Reminds me a lot of rui hachimura in that he is a tweener without an ideal position. So perhaps a comparable contract to rui would be fair imo.

Thats not to say I dont think he can help a team, but if you want him being part of a winning team he shouldnt see north of 20 mill.

[Saints14]

Man this RFA market is brutal and should scare the crap out of future extension-eligible players to just take a below max extension once it's on the table. It sucks that these guys are getting squeezed but I think a little more team leverage is a good thing when for so long they were just handing out max contracts to any young player that showed a pulse, which was clearly getting out of hand. There's nothing wrong with "only" getting something like 4/90M if you're a good but not great young player that hasn't proven the ability to impact winning at a high level

It's crazy that 90 million dollars isn't considered a great contract. That's generational wealth if he's smart with his money, but I get it...NBA contract in general have been crazy.

I think it's more about getting offered the max than the actual dollar amount for a lot of guys. Like, they'd be happier with a $25M/year contract if that was the max than a $30M/year contract if the max is higher than that

[Dan Z]

Man this RFA market is brutal and should scare the crap out of future extension-eligible players to just take a below max extension once it's on the table. It sucks that these guys are getting squeezed but I think a little more team leverage is a good thing when for so long they were just handing out max contracts to any young player that showed a pulse, which was clearly getting out of hand. There's nothing wrong with "only" getting something like 4/90M if you're a good but not great young player that hasn't proven the ability to impact winning at a high level

It's crazy that 90 million dollars isn't considered a great contract. That's generational wealth if he's smart with his money, but I get it...NBA contract in general have been crazy.

I think it's more about getting offered the max than the actual dollar amount for a lot of guys. Like, they'd be happier with a $25M/year contract if that was the max than a $30M/year contract if the max is higher than that

I bet you're right. I'm just looking at it from the perspective of the average person/reality. 90 million is a lot of money.

Plus, he already made 24 million and will most likely make additional money off of endorsements. On top of that, if he plays well he'll get another contract (he's only 22 years old).

[Bobbymcgee]

Probably doesn't want to sit on the bench behind Jimmy Butler again. I don't blame him for rejecting the offer and wanting to play somewhere else.

[NCHeels2008]

Warriors fans, is his game worth the contract he is trying to get?

No..outside of being a volume scorer with a suspect jumpshot theres nothing else there. He is below average bball IQ on both ends, and worse of all he has no all around game.

Small sample size, but in the 4 games he started against minny in the POs, he averaged 3.5 rpg and 1.3 apg in 31mpg with under a block and steal per game..that is not just mediocre but downright terrible. Reminds me a lot of rui hachimura in that he is a tweener without an ideal position. So perhaps a comparable contract to rui would be fair imo.

Thats not to say I dont think he can help a team, but if you want him being part of a winning team he shouldnt see north of 20 mill.

This is unfair to Rui, Kuminga probably has more upside because of his athleticism but Rui has developed into a solid 4th/5th starter has shot above 40% from 3 the last 2 seasons, averaged 13/5 last year, is solid defensively IQ wise but lacks the POA upside that Kuminga has shown. He's mostly been fine in the playoffs, Rui is probably a good comp for contract if you really think you can pull out Kuminga's upside but no need for the Rui slander who isn't the issue in LA.

[Optms]

Dubs have crippled their entire off season on principle. Free agency has past and they have made zero moves because they are obsessed with getting back a haul for a player that they tanked the value of. Ironic.

This is almost Miami/Butler levels of bad in terms of mismanagement. Not quite but almost.

[CS707]

Dubs have crippled their entire off season on principle. Free agency has past and they have made zero moves because they are obsessed with getting back a haul for a player that they tanked the value of. Ironic.

This is almost Miami/Butler levels of bad in terms of mismanagement. Not quite but almost.

What player did this situation realistically cost them? They’re basically looking at some version of an exemption and vet minimum contracts either way.

[Optms]

Dubs have crippled their entire off season on principle. Free agency has past and they have made zero moves because they are obsessed with getting back a haul for a player that they tanked the value of. Ironic.

This is almost Miami/Butler levels of bad in terms of mismanagement. Not quite but almost.

What player did this situation realistically cost them? They’re basically looking at some version of an exemption and vet minimum contracts either way.

Week old left overs is what's out there. Could have had more options had they prioritized this before FA hit.

Just let Kuminga go for scraps. Take the L and move on. No one is giving up assets for him. And they themselves don't want him anyway.

[Bologna Smasher]

I think he likely ends up with the Suns. They really need a second option behind Booker that compliments his game a bit better than Jalen Green does, so I could see them willing to give up a pick for him. They also have a couple guys (Grayson Allen & O'Neale) that the Warriors could actually use.

[DusterBuster]

Kuminga is a mid-NBA player, I don't get why he has this much attention.

He's talented enough for people to feel that if he got in the right situation, he'd flourish.

People said the same thing about Poole...

I'm not holding my breath.

[floppymoose]

Warriors fans, is his game worth the contract he is trying to get?

No..outside of being a volume scorer with a suspect jumpshot theres nothing else there. He is below average bball IQ on both ends, and worse of all he has no all around game.

Small sample size, but in the 4 games he started against minny in the POs, he averaged 3.5 rpg and 1.3 apg in 31mpg with under a block and steal per game..that is not just mediocre but downright terrible. Reminds me a lot of rui hachimura in that he is a tweener without an ideal position. So perhaps a comparable contract to rui would be fair imo.

Thats not to say I dont think he can help a team, but if you want him being part of a winning team he shouldnt see north of 20 mill.

JK has a few problems. And also a few special skills. There have been some (inconsistent) signs around his offense and defense developing. I get it if you look at the signs and say "no". It's definitely not a sure thing. It's a gamble. To me the real red flag is that he doesn't rebound. He has the body to rebound. He's basically young Shawn Marion. He's just completely uninterested in it. The other stuff he seems to at least work on, even if the results aren't there yet.

If he simply dedicated himself to helping his team secure every rebound, and made no other improvements, he would be a serviceable player already, despite the other flaws.

I'm hoping GS signs him. If he sucks that's fine. GS needs good draft picks. If he doesn't suck, he can be a trade asset, to get GS.... good draft picks!

JK is a stud athlete on a small, old team. And here is the team rebounding on/off for him:

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Total Rebounding
   JK on court:   50.7%
   JK off court:  51.9%
   JK net team rebounding:  -1.2%

[xdrta+]

Just let Kuminga go for scraps. Take the L and move on. No one is giving up assets for him. And they themselves don't want him anyway.

You'd be a great GM.

[CS707]

Dubs have crippled their entire off season on principle. Free agency has past and they have made zero moves because they are obsessed with getting back a haul for a player that they tanked the value of. Ironic.

This is almost Miami/Butler levels of bad in terms of mismanagement. Not quite but almost.

What player did this situation realistically cost them? They’re basically looking at some version of an exemption and vet minimum contracts either way.

Week old left overs is what's out there. Could have had more options had they prioritized this before FA hit.

Just let Kuminga go for scraps. Take the L and move on. No one is giving up assets for him. And they themselves don't want him anyway.

Weak leftovers were always what was in the cards for the Warriors given their cap situation. Every FA they’ve been linked to is still unsigned. So again, how exactly did the Kuminga situation cripple their offseason? Surely you had an actual point, right?

[ConSarnit]

Kuminga is a mid-NBA player, I don't get why he has this much attention.

He's talented enough for people to feel that if he got in the right situation, he'd flourish.

People said the same thing about Poole...

I'm not holding my breath.

Kuminga is the anti-archetype for a breakout wing star. Guys like Kawhi, Butler, PG, they all played their role, played hard and defended while they waited their turn. Kuminga only wants to score and doesn’t want to do any of the dirty work on the way up. I’d be shocked if he ever becomes a star level wing. If you can’t learn to defend, move the ball and be a team player in the Warriors system how does anyone think he’ll succeed elsewhere?

[ShootersShoot]

Warriors fans, is his game worth the contract he is trying to get?

No..outside of being a volume scorer with a suspect jumpshot theres nothing else there. He is below average bball IQ on both ends, and worse of all he has no all around game.

Small sample size, but in the 4 games he started against minny in the POs, he averaged 3.5 rpg and 1.3 apg in 31mpg with under a block and steal per game..that is not just mediocre but downright terrible. Reminds me a lot of rui hachimura in that he is a tweener without an ideal position. So perhaps a comparable contract to rui would be fair imo.

Thats not to say I dont think he can help a team, but if you want him being part of a winning team he shouldnt see north of 20 mill.

This is unfair to Rui, Kuminga probably has more upside because of his athleticism but Rui has developed into a solid 4th/5th starter has shot above 40% from 3 the last 2 seasons, averaged 13/5 last year, is solid defensively IQ wise but lacks the POA upside that Kuminga has shown. He's mostly been fine in the playoffs, Rui is probably a good comp for contract if you really think you can pull out Kuminga's upside but no need for the Rui slander who isn't the issue in LA.

I mean, rui is a tweener with no ideal position and not really outstanding in any area outside of efficient scoring (which is a great trait and why he deserves minutes)...His per 36 last season was 5.7 rpg, 1.6apg, and under 1 block and 1 steal. His playoff numbers were not any better. Hes never jumped out at me defensively and has below average defensive metrics.

So yea his all around game and tweener-ness reminds me of kuminga. If you disagree thats fine. I will say rui is to me the better player..much smarter offensively and better shooter. Overall he is solid like you said. I didnt mean to say he was a bad player, but just pointing out his weaknesses.

[ShootersShoot]

Warriors fans, is his game worth the contract he is trying to get?

No..outside of being a volume scorer with a suspect jumpshot theres nothing else there. He is below average bball IQ on both ends, and worse of all he has no all around game.

Small sample size, but in the 4 games he started against minny in the POs, he averaged 3.5 rpg and 1.3 apg in 31mpg with under a block and steal per game..that is not just mediocre but downright terrible. Reminds me a lot of rui hachimura in that he is a tweener without an ideal position. So perhaps a comparable contract to rui would be fair imo.

Thats not to say I dont think he can help a team, but if you want him being part of a winning team he shouldnt see north of 20 mill.

JK has a few problems. And also a few special skills. There have been some (inconsistent) signs around his offense and defense developing. I get it if you look at the signs and say "no". It's definitely not a sure thing. It's a gamble. To me the real red flag is that he doesn't rebound. He has the body to rebound. He's basically young Shawn Marion. He's just completely uninterested in it. The other stuff he seems to at least work on, even if the results aren't there yet.

If he simply dedicated himself to helping his team secure every rebound, and made no other improvements, he would be a serviceable player already, despite the other flaws.

I'm hoping GS signs him. If he sucks that's fine. GS needs good draft picks. If he doesn't suck, he can be a trade asset, to get GS.... good draft picks!

JK is a stud athlete on a small, old team. And here is the team rebounding on/off for him:

Code: Select all

Total Rebounding
   JK on court:   50.7%
   JK off court:  51.9%
   JK net team rebounding:  -1.2%

To me, he has the tools and skillset to be a solid, not great player. I think his mindset may be go to scorer, but he needs to learn/focus on the intangibles of the game and making an impact every moment he is out there whether he has the ball or not. I dont think he currently knows how to be that type of player that the iguodalas, aaron gordons, and amen thompsons of the league bring to the table.

[Barnzy]

As a Warrior fan you'd hope the S&T brings back another wing type player. Their roster is already small as it with a lack of wing depth and a lack of legit big men. Draymond is ageing and can only cover so much.

Kuminga has size, length and athleticism which the Warriors roster lacks (even if he has low IQ). The reported S&T options to bring more small guards back on a roster flooded with guards in is a pretty terrible option.

Already have Curry, Podz, Moody, Hield with Melton reportedly waiting. Kerr is going to be playing 3 and 4 guard lineups all year depending on this S&T. Their team has no hope.

[PlatinumState]

It's crazy that 90 million dollars isn't considered a great contract. That's generational wealth if he's smart with his money, but I get it...NBA contract in general have been crazy.

He's getting taxed on $90, but he's still getting close to $35+ after the payouts to agents and whatever else he has.

Plus, he'll probably get endorsement deals during that time too.

I don't know about you, but I can figure out how to make 35 million last for a long time.

You should know theres a 4% limit to what a agent can take. So no, a player isnt getting 35 out of 90 but significantly more. On this board people think an agent gets 10% or more