Wembanyama apparently not happy with the NBA wishing Karl Malone a Happy Bday

[NZB2323]

Yep, this is not back in the old days gray area and boys will be boys moment that was fine then but morally grandized now as not OK.


AT ANY POINT has it been ok to be a litteral pedophile that impregnates a 12 year old as an adult. And not one time occurance, but had ACTIVE sexual relationship with a 12 year old as an adult.


This is not a 16-17 that is excused as looks older they are that has a 18 old boyfriend or whatever.



It was a litteral pre teen 12 year old child.

I’m not saying it’s okay, but that’s been the practice for most of human history.

A lot of people on the internet exaggerate how common it was for 12 year old girls in the past to get pregnant. I doubt it was nearly as common as some people insinuate.

If anything girls today tend to experience puberty somewhat earlier than in past years due to the hormones in foods now.

Either way, I think it's been established by numerous posts in this thread, that it was not normal or acceptable to engage in intercourse with young girls in the 1980s, when it happened.

In medieval times, Roman times, and before Roman times, it was common for men to marry girls as young as 12.

But I agree with you that it’s not acceptable.

[zimpy27]

Yep, this is not back in the old days gray area and boys will be boys moment that was fine then but morally grandized now as not OK.


AT ANY POINT has it been ok to be a litteral pedophile that impregnates a 12 year old as an adult. And not one time occurance, but had ACTIVE sexual relationship with a 12 year old as an adult.


This is not a 16-17 that is excused as looks older they are that has a 18 old boyfriend or whatever.



It was a litteral pre teen 12 year old child.

I’m not saying it’s okay, but that’s been the practice for most of human history.

A lot of people on the internet exaggerate how common it was for 12 year old girls in the past to get pregnant. I doubt it was nearly as common as some people insinuate.

If anything girls today tend to experience puberty somewhat earlier than in past years due to the hormones in foods now.

Either way, I think it's been established by numerous posts in this thread, that it was not normal or acceptable to engage in intercourse with young girls in the 1980s, when it happened.

Maybe we aren't using words that are not precise enough.

Why do you think the NBA was ok with Malone doing this? They knew all about it and continued to market him and reward him with honors throughout his career. They didn't condone all player actions but they condoned this one. Can you explain this while also saying it was completely unacceptable what Malone did in that period of time? Becasue the NBA basically accepted it and you're saying society at the time didn't.

[basketballto]

Learning history is important.

Estimated 30–40% of 18–20-year-old Black males in rural southern communities may have courted or married girls at 14/15. 10% for 12-14.

You could get married at 12 with parents approval.

Malone is from a little placed called Summerfield, Louisiana.


What he did wasn't uncommon and some of your parents or grandparents did the same thing. To go after someone uneducated poor with a direct link to slavery who did what everyone around him did shows either you don't know or understand his story or want to punch down to make yourself feel better.

[D.Brasco]

I’m not saying it’s okay, but that’s been the practice for most of human history.

A lot of people on the internet exaggerate how common it was for 12 year old girls in the past to get pregnant. I doubt it was nearly as common as some people insinuate.

If anything girls today tend to experience puberty somewhat earlier than in past years due to the hormones in foods now.

Either way, I think it's been established by numerous posts in this thread, that it was not normal or acceptable to engage in intercourse with young girls in the 1980s, when it happened.

Maybe we aren't using words that are not precise enough.

Why do you think the NBA was ok with Malone doing this? They knew all about it and continued to market him and reward him with honors throughout his career. They didn't condone all player actions but they condoned this one. Can you explain this while also saying it was completely unacceptable what Malone did in that period of time? Becasue the NBA basically accepted it and you're saying society at the time didn't.

I don't think they were ok with what he did, but as it wasn't very public knowledge they didn't care as long as there was no public backlash to go with it.

Until the last few years, people focused much less on what athletes and celebrities did in their personal lives good or bad, unless they were actually publicly arrested and they had no choice but to make a statement.

Now that a major NBA star has brought further public attention to this, I have a strong feeling this is the last year the NBA publicly wishes Karl Malone a happy birthday.

[bonita_the_frog]

Wemby seems like a PR guy, whereas Rudy Gobert is real. I ride Rudy above all other Frenchmen (but overall KD and ANT are my favorites).
Wemby i don't trust, smells fishy.

Nah, Wemby is a 100% genuine dude. If you followed him more closely you'd know. Dude randomly shows up to playgrounds in SA to play with kids and the only reason we know about it is because the kids post about it. He ain't doing it for PR or clout

Yep i bet he didn't know kids had phones

Wemby seems like a PR guy, whereas Rudy Gobert is real. I ride Rudy above all other Frenchmen (but overall KD and ANT are my favorites).
Wemby i don't trust, smells fishy.

Let me get this straight:

He smells fishy because he agreed that an adult pedo statutory rapist who got away with grooming and impregnating a 12 year old, shouldn't be still celebrated by the league he is in?

Yep, because it seems like a big enough issue to comment on if it really shook his feathers, instead of reposting a silly meme

[OrlandoMagic198]

I feel embarrassed that I rooted for those Jazz teams over the Bulls in those finals series. If I had known about Malone back then, I would have never. I only rooted for them as the underdog. It's shocking that Karl Malone never spent any time in jail.

It is not shocking because Karl is a celebrity, so he got off

[Onlytimewilltel]

What did you gain from this post?

I'm waiting?

For a bus?

A short yellow one perhaps?

[zimpy27]

A lot of people on the internet exaggerate how common it was for 12 year old girls in the past to get pregnant. I doubt it was nearly as common as some people insinuate.

If anything girls today tend to experience puberty somewhat earlier than in past years due to the hormones in foods now.

Either way, I think it's been established by numerous posts in this thread, that it was not normal or acceptable to engage in intercourse with young girls in the 1980s, when it happened.

Maybe we aren't using words that are not precise enough.

Why do you think the NBA was ok with Malone doing this? They knew all about it and continued to market him and reward him with honors throughout his career. They didn't condone all player actions but they condoned this one. Can you explain this while also saying it was completely unacceptable what Malone did in that period of time? Becasue the NBA basically accepted it and you're saying society at the time didn't.

I don't think they were ok with what he did, but as it wasn't very public knowledge they didn't care as long as there was no public backlash to go with it.

Until the last few years, people focused much less on what athletes and celebrities did in their personal lives good or bad, unless they were actually publicly arrested and they had no choice but to make a statement.

Now that a major NBA star has brought further public attention to this, I have a strong feeling this is the last year the NBA publicly wishes Karl Malone a happy birthday.

Well the NBA knew before he was drafted, it became more public knowledge in 1998 and has been in and out of the news for the past 25 years. I find it hard to believe that people don't know Karl Malone slept with a 13 year old when he was in college.

I think the NBA accepted it by allowing him to be drafted and continued to honor him even as it became more public.

[Ruma85]

why does something have to be GAINED. that implies motive. so therefore do you think there is motive behind wemby's act?

No I don't think so, I mean why waste his time with this.

he's offended by the nba's direction?

i think you are asking the wrong question.
the right question is why is the nba doing this in the first place

its simpler to not even bring malone's birthday up. why did they even do this in tje first place

Well this happened before he was in the nba right?

[LuDux1]

I'm curious what does Wemby gain from this?

When he dies, on his deathbed, he will receive total consciousness. So he got that goin’ for him, which is nice

One of my favorite lines ever, it really should be used more often. Bravo...

Fun fact: I'm pretty sure i never watched that scene, let alone movie, before 5 minutes ago. Cultural osmosis FTW

Somewhat related

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[WinterSoldier]

I worked in rural Mississippi/ Louisiana it's more common among the Black population than people want to believe. I met a family where the two sisters who were 13 and 14 had kids with the same 65 year old man. They acted like it was an everyday thing. White suburban culture doesn't see the world around them. I'm not justifying Karl Malone but he knew what he knew before he entered the NBA. He had multiple children with her they both believed they were in a relationship. It doesn't seem whoever her parents were saw as anything different from their own cultural experience.

[flranger]

When he dies, on his deathbed, he will receive total consciousness. So he got that goin’ for him, which is nice

One of my favorite lines ever, it really should be used more often. Bravo...

Fun fact: I'm pretty sure i never watched that scene, let alone movie, before 5 minutes ago. Cultural osmosis FTW

Watch on YouTube

This is the one I was referring to

Watch on YouTube

[Lalouie]

No I don't think so, I mean why waste his time with this.

he's offended by the nba's direction?

i think you are asking the wrong question.
the right question is why is the nba doing this in the first place

its simpler to not even bring malone's birthday up. why did they even do this in tje first place

Well this happened before he was in the nba right?

ummm, malone's birthday salute? i do not know but this is really about wemby's reaction which basically calls out the nba

[LuDux1]

One of my favorite lines ever, it really should be used more often. Bravo...

Fun fact: I'm pretty sure i never watched that scene, let alone movie, before 5 minutes ago. Cultural osmosis FTW

Watch on YouTube

This is the one I was referring to

Watch on YouTube

I watched Caddyshack scene and it reminded me of 3rd Rock Scene

[Ruma85]

he's offended by the nba's direction?

i think you are asking the wrong question.
the right question is why is the nba doing this in the first place

its simpler to not even bring malone's birthday up. why did they even do this in tje first place

Well this happened before he was in the nba right?

ummm, malone's birthday salute? i do not know but this is really about wemby's reaction which basically calls out the nba

The rape.

[dc]

Well the NBA knew before he was drafted, it became more public knowledge in 1998 and has been in and out of the news for the past 25 years. I find it hard to believe that people don't know Karl Malone slept with a 13 year old when he was in college.

I think the NBA accepted it by allowing him to be drafted and continued to honor him even as it became more public.

It's kind of like the Bill Cosby thing. It was some background "hey did you know" type of knowledge that never made the front page. People knew, but they didn't really bring it up in day to day conversation.

And back then, if Sports Illustrated or some other major media publication or channel didn't mention it, then it wasn't a talking point. With Cosby, it wasn't until someone made a low quality video of a Hannibal Burress stand up routine that people really paid attention.

[STAT_88]

That Pedo should be celebrating his birthday in jail

He didn't do anything his current president wouldn't do

Respect to Wemby for this

Joe Biden was way more likely to do that given his child sniffing ways. Bill clinton also given his Epstein connections.


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[Ryoga Hibiki]

To me - it's not about a personal gain, but just voicing his opinion which he should not have any reason to fear.

He shouldn't, though, it won't change anything, in theory he would be out of jail by now, I'm not excusing what he did, just don't see the point.

Malone never faced the consequences his actions, and was never apologetic, so I think Wemby, myself, and many others feel that Malone should be permanently ostracized from the league until he tries to own his extreme failures in a way that is satisfactory to all of those who were rightfully outraged by a rape.

I don't care about people outraged.
But he must make it right with the woman and the kids he left behind.
A 20yo can do something stupid, I am not for never giving people a second chance. But it's not acceptable to never own what you did.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

Why wasn’t this talked about at all in the late 90s? Only time I ever heard about this was on realgm. Are we saying morals were different? I find that hard to believe. Someone was covering this up

My guess is most people didn't know about it then. I didn't, and I was back on the rec.sport.basketball.pro usenet forums when the Jazz were playing the Bulls in the Finals. It wasn't brought up then, and people hated Malone back then because he was a massively dirty player so I'm sure they would have any chance they could get.

Why wasn't it brought up? Probably because there were no legal consequences to his actions, or even an attempt at one. Gloria Bell's family didn't want to see him jailed, probably because they all lived in a small town which can create a number of issues (whether it unjustly creates a number of issues is beside the point):

They knew him since birth so it's possible they didn't want to see his career/life ruined, they could have feared being shunned/retribution of their small town neighbors if they got the guy who led their HS to three straight state titles imprisoned, and they might have thought the DA in Clairborne Parish wouldn't have done much to prosecute the case.

The reason Gloria Bell stated publicly that they didn't press charges was they figured he couldn't pay child support from prison, which made his later decision to fight against the $200 a month payment, uh, just really, really, really bad. Take away the morality of it, if he would have paid his child support and showed a ton of remorse, he would still be shunned today but it would be less than it is now.

I never heard about this story before his retirement, when Bell's name came out.
and there was plenty of hate Malone on usenet or message boards.
I assume people didn't know.

[DC_Melo]

Learning history is important.

Estimated 30–40% of 18–20-year-old Black males in rural southern communities may have courted or married girls at 14/15. 10% for 12-14.

Providing sources for claims like this is also important.

You could get married at 12 with parents approval.

Malone is from a little placed called Summerfield, Louisiana.

Malone didn’t marry her. He dated her, got her pregnant, then left her high and dry. That’s not marriage, that’s called having sex with a minor and then neglecting child support.

Sex with a minor is a federal crime btw, and Malone was also born in this little place called the United States. Failure to pay child support is and was at the time against Louisiana state law. If you’re going to bring up laws, you should mention the ones that actually apply to this situation.

What he did wasn't uncommon and some of your parents or grandparents did the same thing. To go after someone uneducated poor with a direct link to slavery who did what everyone around him did shows either you don't know or understand his story or want to punch down to make yourself feel better.

So to clarify… your position here is that anyone who is critical of a grown man impregnating a 12 year old and then leaving her without child support must be either ignorant or punching down?

How about this insane concept of we’re just not ok with a grown man doing that to a child?

If criticizing a pedo and child abandoner makes you ignorant and a bully, what does that say about those who defend him?

Edit: And no we are not going after someone uneducated and poor. He had access to a high school and college education, and still refused to pay child support after becoming a multimillionaire.