Where do you rank Kobe as an all-time scorer?

[MavsDirk41]

I think he is top 10 easily all time. Jordan, Wilt, Kareem, Durant, Bird, James, Harden, Wade…

[MrPainfulTruth]

The question is not "where does Kobe stand in all time GOAT ranking" but where he stands as a scorer. Kobe is miles ahead of the guy Scranton tries to sell in the most penetrant manner, LeBron. Kobe's game was skill and finesse, footwork, shooting, finding and exploiting the openings in the defense. LeBron was a one dimensional brute force scorer who enjoyed the benefit of the whistle for most of his career. Whoever saw both of them play can only laugh at Scranton's claim that LeBron was superior. No hand selected meaningless stat will ever change that. Just give up Scranton, LeBron is done and his rank wont rise no matter how many threads you create on here.

[The Master]

Kawhi. Giannis. Luka. Shai has a case. Just off the top of my head, these dudes are better scorers than Kobe IMHO.

IF healthy, Embiid and AD. But if my aunt had balls...

They all have a shot, but there's also a matter of consistency, so it's hard to actually have Kawhi higher, I guess, even if his 2019 run (30.5 PPG on +6.8 rTS) is probably better than anything from Kobe scoring-wse.

There are instances like let's say LeBron (higher volume with better efficiency both in peak and career-wise), but there's also a wide group of players who were here and there better, but not necessarily in their whole careers.

[Onlytimewilltel]

I think he is top 10 easily all time. Jordan, Wilt, Kareem, Durant, Bird, James, Harden, Wade…

Definitely not “easily”….. you can make an argument for him but there are also other guys like Jokic, Curry, Shaq that you can also make arguments for (and I think they're better scorers but just my opinion).

Kobe was good for sure, but there are also other, at least 10 guys that you can make arguments for as well. Some of them clearly better and some perhaps in the same tier.

[NO-KG-AI]

The question is not "where does Kobe stand in all time GOAT ranking" but where he stands as a scorer. Kobe is miles ahead of the guy Scranton tries to sell in the most penetrant manner, LeBron. Kobe's game was skill and finesse, footwork, shooting, finding and exploiting the openings in the defense. LeBron was a one dimensional brute force scorer who enjoyed the benefit of the whistle for most of his career. Whoever saw both of them play can only laugh at Scranton's claim that LeBron was superior. No hand selected meaningless stat will ever change that. Just give up Scranton, LeBron is done and his rank wont rise no matter how many threads you create on here.

Not only is LeBron a better scorer, he’s comfortably better. That’s why it translated better in the playoffs. Better averages, more dominant single game peaks, more dominant series scoring, and more dominant finals scoring performances.

Volume, efficiency, peak, longevity. It’s all in LeBron’s favor. Hell, the first playoff series LeBron ever played in his life is higher than Kobe’s career high for a series.

[Primedeion]

Third highest career inflation adjusted scoring rate in NBA history.

Career scoring efficiency mark (104 TS+) that's only slightly worse than Larry Bird's (105 TS+).

Scoring peak led to GOAT level offensive impact (highest offensive on/off ever recorded at +21 and #1 in every single offensive impact metric)

Way better at taking care of the ball during his scoring attempts than some other ATG scorers (career scoring TOV% of 7% compared to guys like KD and Shaq at 10+%)

Yeah, he's easily top five ever.

Bunch of clueless casuals in these comments. Lmao


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[ScrantonBulls]

The question is not "where does Kobe stand in all time GOAT ranking" but where he stands as a scorer. Kobe is miles ahead of the guy Scranton tries to sell in the most penetrant manner, LeBron. Kobe's game was skill and finesse, footwork, shooting, finding and exploiting the openings in the defense. LeBron was a one dimensional brute force scorer who enjoyed the benefit of the whistle for most of his career. Whoever saw both of them play can only laugh at Scranton's claim that LeBron was superior. No hand selected meaningless stat will ever change that. Just give up Scranton, LeBron is done and his rank wont rise no matter how many threads you create on here.

Not only is LeBron a better scorer, he’s comfortably better. That’s why it translated better in the playoffs. Better averages, more dominant single game peaks, more dominant series scoring, and more dominant finals scoring performances.

Volume, efficiency, peak, longevity. It’s all in LeBron’s favor. Hell, the first playoff series LeBron ever played in his life is higher than Kobe’s career high for a series.

I just looked back at LeBron's first playoff series. That was during a time when the scoring was low and pace was slow (5th lowest pace ever that season). He averaged 35.7 ppg, 7.5 Reb and 5.7 ast on a 60% TS%. Montorous playoff debut.

Like you said, his scoring that series was probably better than Kobe's scoring in any playoff series ever.

[LakerLegend]

The question is not "where does Kobe stand in all time GOAT ranking" but where he stands as a scorer. Kobe is miles ahead of the guy Scranton tries to sell in the most penetrant manner, LeBron. Kobe's game was skill and finesse, footwork, shooting, finding and exploiting the openings in the defense. LeBron was a one dimensional brute force scorer who enjoyed the benefit of the whistle for most of his career. Whoever saw both of them play can only laugh at Scranton's claim that LeBron was superior. No hand selected meaningless stat will ever change that. Just give up Scranton, LeBron is done and his rank wont rise no matter how many threads you create on here.

Not only is LeBron a better scorer, he’s comfortably better. That’s why it translated better in the playoffs. Better averages, more dominant single game peaks, more dominant series scoring, and more dominant finals scoring performances.

Volume, efficiency, peak, longevity. It’s all in LeBron’s favor. Hell, the first playoff series LeBron ever played in his life is higher than Kobe’s career high for a series.

I just looked back at LeBron's first playoff series. That was during a time when the scoring was low and pace was slow (5th lowest pace ever that season). He averaged 35.7 ppg, 7.5 Reb and 5.7 ast on a 60% TS%. Montorous playoff debut.

Like you said, his scoring that series was probably better than Kobe's scoring in any playoff series ever.

He was playing bums. Look at his scoring vs the Spurs in 07, Celtics in 08 and 10, Mavs in 11 etc.

[MavsDirk41]

I think he is top 10 easily all time. Jordan, Wilt, Kareem, Durant, Bird, James, Harden, Wade…

Definitely not “easily”….. you can make an argument for him but there are also other guys like Jokic, Curry, Shaq that you can also make arguments for (and I think they're better scorers but just my opinion).

Kobe was good for sure, but there are also other, at least 10 guys that you can make arguments for as well. Some of them clearly better and some perhaps in the same tier.

No argument with Curry, Jokic, and Shaq there too, its all debateable. I mean like anything else we talk about on here its objective. Kobe would be in my top 10 thought if discussing top scorers of all time.

[jlokine]

all time scorer, probably outside of top 10.
all time clutch scorer (10 secs, down 2)? i'd probably give MJ , curry, then kobe.

[ScrantonBulls]

all time scorer, probably outside of top 10.
all time clutch scorer (10 secs, down 2)? i'd probably give MJ , curry, then kobe.

What are some of Kobe's best clutch moments in your mind? Or is there a certain stat you use to define clutch (like FGs made in last XX minutes of a close game, etc.)?

[MrPainfulTruth]

The question is not "where does Kobe stand in all time GOAT ranking" but where he stands as a scorer. Kobe is miles ahead of the guy Scranton tries to sell in the most penetrant manner, LeBron. Kobe's game was skill and finesse, footwork, shooting, finding and exploiting the openings in the defense. LeBron was a one dimensional brute force scorer who enjoyed the benefit of the whistle for most of his career. Whoever saw both of them play can only laugh at Scranton's claim that LeBron was superior. No hand selected meaningless stat will ever change that. Just give up Scranton, LeBron is done and his rank wont rise no matter how many threads you create on here.

Not only is LeBron a better scorer, he’s comfortably better. That’s why it translated better in the playoffs. Better averages, more dominant single game peaks, more dominant series scoring, and more dominant finals scoring performances.

Volume, efficiency, peak, longevity. It’s all in LeBron’s favor. Hell, the first playoff series LeBron ever played in his life is higher than Kobe’s career high for a series.

Noone cares for those tired arguments bro. He hid in the easst that was historically weak, and scored great empty numbers until confronted with real competition. His finals record speaks for himself. Meanwhile Kobe begged for competition, fight, an opportunity to prove himself. Those two are separated by more than just statistics.

[The4thHorseman]

The question is not "where does Kobe stand in all time GOAT ranking" but where he stands as a scorer. Kobe is miles ahead of the guy Scranton tries to sell in the most penetrant manner, LeBron. Kobe's game was skill and finesse, footwork, shooting, finding and exploiting the openings in the defense. LeBron was a one dimensional brute force scorer who enjoyed the benefit of the whistle for most of his career. Whoever saw both of them play can only laugh at Scranton's claim that LeBron was superior. No hand selected meaningless stat will ever change that. Just give up Scranton, LeBron is done and his rank wont rise no matter how many threads you create on here.

Not only is LeBron a better scorer, he’s comfortably better. That’s why it translated better in the playoffs. Better averages, more dominant single game peaks, more dominant series scoring, and more dominant finals scoring performances.

Volume, efficiency, peak, longevity. It’s all in LeBron’s favor. Hell, the first playoff series LeBron ever played in his life is higher than Kobe’s career high for a series.

Noone cares for those tired arguments bro. He hid in the easst that was historically weak, and scored great empty numbers until confronted with real competition. His finals record speaks for himself. Meanwhile Kobe begged for competition, fight, an opportunity to prove himself. Those two are separated by more than just statistics.

If Kobe wanted the fight and to prove himself, he would've let New Jersey draft him 8th overall like they wanted to. He would've been their starting SG ftom day one. Instead, he and his camp let it known that he would only sign with the contending Lakers in which he knew he would be riding the bench his rookie year and didn't know when he'd be a starter. Plus we saw what happened when "the fight and competition" got too much for Kobe after he finally was the face of LA after only 3yrs, he demanded a trade.

LeBron made no demands on draft day. He had no problem with the 17 win Cavs drafting him and being the face of their organization.

So you are right but didn't even know why you were. There's definitely more separation between the 2 than just stats.

[cupcakesnake]

The question is not "where does Kobe stand in all time GOAT ranking" but where he stands as a scorer. Kobe is miles ahead of the guy Scranton tries to sell in the most penetrant manner, LeBron. Kobe's game was skill and finesse, footwork, shooting, finding and exploiting the openings in the defense. LeBron was a one dimensional brute force scorer who enjoyed the benefit of the whistle for most of his career. Whoever saw both of them play can only laugh at Scranton's claim that LeBron was superior. No hand selected meaningless stat will ever change that. Just give up Scranton, LeBron is done and his rank wont rise no matter how many threads you create on here.

Not only is LeBron a better scorer, he’s comfortably better. That’s why it translated better in the playoffs. Better averages, more dominant single game peaks, more dominant series scoring, and more dominant finals scoring performances.

Volume, efficiency, peak, longevity. It’s all in LeBron’s favor. Hell, the first playoff series LeBron ever played in his life is higher than Kobe’s career high for a series.

Noone cares for those tired arguments bro. He hid in the easst that was historically weak, and scored great empty numbers until confronted with real competition. His finals record speaks for himself. Meanwhile Kobe begged for competition, fight, an opportunity to prove himself. Those two are separated by more than just statistics.

Your arguments in this comment and the one before, sound more like you like Kobe's style and story, rather than making an argument for why Kobe is a better scorer than Lebron.

It doesn't really matter if Lebron was a "one dimensional brute force scorer", and Kobe was skill and finesse, if at the end of the day Lebron was more effective at scoring the basketball.

You now make an argument that Lebron's playoff scoring was a product of weak opponents, while Kobe did it the hard way, but even just casually browsing the stats doesn't really support your argument. Both Lebron and Kobe have had some clunker playoff series, but looking at them playing against elite defenses, Lebron still looks better. Lebron memorably has really bad scoring series against the 2008 Celtics, 2007 Spurs, and 2011 Mavs. I'm looking more broadly at the elite defenses Lebron played in the playoffs (2015-18 Warriors, 2013-14 Pacers, 2011 Bulls, 2006 Pistons, 2013-14 Spurs etc.) and I just can't get behind your statement.

You want to highlight some bad Lebron series, which is fair, but if you're not looking at Kobe with the same scrutiny, you're not going to figure out who's the better playoff scorer.

Kobe and Lebron are probably my two least favorite players. I don't have a horse in this race.

[NO-KG-AI]

Not only is LeBron a better scorer, he’s comfortably better. That’s why it translated better in the playoffs. Better averages, more dominant single game peaks, more dominant series scoring, and more dominant finals scoring performances.

Volume, efficiency, peak, longevity. It’s all in LeBron’s favor. Hell, the first playoff series LeBron ever played in his life is higher than Kobe’s career high for a series.

Noone cares for those tired arguments bro. He hid in the easst that was historically weak, and scored great empty numbers until confronted with real competition. His finals record speaks for himself. Meanwhile Kobe begged for competition, fight, an opportunity to prove himself. Those two are separated by more than just statistics.

Your arguments in this comment and the one before, sound more like you like Kobe's style and story, rather than making an argument for why Kobe is a better scorer than Lebron.

It doesn't really matter if Lebron was a "one dimensional brute force scorer", and Kobe was skill and finesse, if at the end of the day Lebron was more effective at scoring the basketball.

You now make an argument that Lebron's playoff scoring was a product of weak opponents, while Kobe did it the hard way, but even just casually browsing the stats doesn't really support your argument. Both Lebron and Kobe have had some clunker playoff series, but looking at them playing against elite defenses, Lebron still looks better. Lebron memorably has really bad scoring series against the 2008 Celtics, 2007 Spurs, and 2011 Mavs. I'm looking more broadly at the elite defenses Lebron played in the playoffs (2015-18 Warriors, 2013-14 Pacers, 2011 Bulls, 2006 Pistons, 2013-14 Spurs etc.) and I just can't get behind your statement.

You want to highlight some bad Lebron series, which is fair, but if you're not looking at Kobe with the same scrutiny, you're not going to figure out who's the better playoff scorer.

Kobe and Lebron are probably my two least favorite players. I don't have a horse in this race.

Alternatively, you can just use the finals. LeBron has 9 finals series against just the west. Kobe has 7 against the cupcake east. Surely Kobe should blow him away.

Lo and behold, Kobe is somehow an even worse scorer in the finals than he is in the other rounds.

[The4thHorseman]

Noone cares for those tired arguments bro. He hid in the easst that was historically weak, and scored great empty numbers until confronted with real competition. His finals record speaks for himself. Meanwhile Kobe begged for competition, fight, an opportunity to prove himself. Those two are separated by more than just statistics.

Your arguments in this comment and the one before, sound more like you like Kobe's style and story, rather than making an argument for why Kobe is a better scorer than Lebron.

It doesn't really matter if Lebron was a "one dimensional brute force scorer", and Kobe was skill and finesse, if at the end of the day Lebron was more effective at scoring the basketball.

You now make an argument that Lebron's playoff scoring was a product of weak opponents, while Kobe did it the hard way, but even just casually browsing the stats doesn't really support your argument. Both Lebron and Kobe have had some clunker playoff series, but looking at them playing against elite defenses, Lebron still looks better. Lebron memorably has really bad scoring series against the 2008 Celtics, 2007 Spurs, and 2011 Mavs. I'm looking more broadly at the elite defenses Lebron played in the playoffs (2015-18 Warriors, 2013-14 Pacers, 2011 Bulls, 2006 Pistons, 2013-14 Spurs etc.) and I just can't get behind your statement.

You want to highlight some bad Lebron series, which is fair, but if you're not looking at Kobe with the same scrutiny, you're not going to figure out who's the better playoff scorer.

Kobe and Lebron are probably my two least favorite players. I don't have a horse in this race.

Alternatively, you can just use the finals. LeBron has 9 finals series against just the west. Kobe has 7 against the cupcake east. Surely Kobe should blow him away.

Lo and behold, Kobe is somehow an even worse scorer in the finals than he is in the other rounds.

That's why Kobe fans are quick to say that the WCF was "the REAL Finals" cause most of his Finals performances were nothing to write home about.

[One Last Shot]

Not only is LeBron a better scorer, he’s comfortably better. That’s why it translated better in the playoffs. Better averages, more dominant single game peaks, more dominant series scoring, and more dominant finals scoring performances.

Volume, efficiency, peak, longevity. It’s all in LeBron’s favor. Hell, the first playoff series LeBron ever played in his life is higher than Kobe’s career high for a series.

Noone cares for those tired arguments bro. He hid in the easst that was historically weak, and scored great empty numbers until confronted with real competition. His finals record speaks for himself. Meanwhile Kobe begged for competition, fight, an opportunity to prove himself. Those two are separated by more than just statistics.

Your arguments in this comment and the one before, sound more like you like Kobe's style and story, rather than making an argument for why Kobe is a better scorer than Lebron.

It doesn't really matter if Lebron was a "one dimensional brute force scorer", and Kobe was skill and finesse, if at the end of the day Lebron was more effective at scoring the basketball.

You now make an argument that Lebron's playoff scoring was a product of weak opponents, while Kobe did it the hard way, but even just casually browsing the stats doesn't really support your argument. Both Lebron and Kobe have had some clunker playoff series, but looking at them playing against elite defenses, Lebron still looks better. Lebron memorably has really bad scoring series against the 2008 Celtics, 2007 Spurs, and 2011 Mavs. I'm looking more broadly at the elite defenses Lebron played in the playoffs (2015-18 Warriors, 2013-14 Pacers, 2011 Bulls, 2006 Pistons, 2013-14 Spurs etc.) and I just can't get behind your statement.

You want to highlight some bad Lebron series, which is fair, but if you're not looking at Kobe with the same scrutiny, you're not going to figure out who's the better playoff scorer.

Kobe and Lebron are probably my two least favorite players. I don't have a horse in this race.

Not only is LeBron a better scorer, he’s comfortably better. That’s why it translated better in the playoffs. Better averages, more dominant single game peaks, more dominant series scoring, and more dominant finals scoring performances.

Volume, efficiency, peak, longevity. It’s all in LeBron’s favor. Hell, the first playoff series LeBron ever played in his life is higher than Kobe’s career high for a series.

I just looked back at LeBron's first playoff series. That was during a time when the scoring was low and pace was slow (5th lowest pace ever that season). He averaged 35.7 ppg, 7.5 Reb and 5.7 ast on a 60% TS%. Montorous playoff debut.

Like you said, his scoring that series was probably better than Kobe's scoring in any playoff series ever.

He was playing bums. Look at his scoring vs the Spurs in 07, Celtics in 08 and 10, Mavs in 11 etc.

The best way to determine this are comparison against the same opponents in the same year like 2008 Celtics, 2009 Magic, 2010 Celtics, 2011 Mavs and 2012 Thunder which Kobe and LeBron matched-up in the playoffs for 5 straight years. Here's their scoring average and efficiency in those series.

LeBron in 29 games
28.6 ppg in 54.4 TS%

Kobe in 27 games
28.3 ppg in 51.3 TS%

Keep in mind that Kobe always got All-NBA Gasol as his Robin in those series plus Odom while LeBron got Big Z, Mo Williams and Delonte West in his early Cavs days. So who's better?

[LakerLegend]

Noone cares for those tired arguments bro. He hid in the easst that was historically weak, and scored great empty numbers until confronted with real competition. His finals record speaks for himself. Meanwhile Kobe begged for competition, fight, an opportunity to prove himself. Those two are separated by more than just statistics.

Your arguments in this comment and the one before, sound more like you like Kobe's style and story, rather than making an argument for why Kobe is a better scorer than Lebron.

It doesn't really matter if Lebron was a "one dimensional brute force scorer", and Kobe was skill and finesse, if at the end of the day Lebron was more effective at scoring the basketball.

You now make an argument that Lebron's playoff scoring was a product of weak opponents, while Kobe did it the hard way, but even just casually browsing the stats doesn't really support your argument. Both Lebron and Kobe have had some clunker playoff series, but looking at them playing against elite defenses, Lebron still looks better. Lebron memorably has really bad scoring series against the 2008 Celtics, 2007 Spurs, and 2011 Mavs. I'm looking more broadly at the elite defenses Lebron played in the playoffs (2015-18 Warriors, 2013-14 Pacers, 2011 Bulls, 2006 Pistons, 2013-14 Spurs etc.) and I just can't get behind your statement.

You want to highlight some bad Lebron series, which is fair, but if you're not looking at Kobe with the same scrutiny, you're not going to figure out who's the better playoff scorer.

Kobe and Lebron are probably my two least favorite players. I don't have a horse in this race.

I just looked back at LeBron's first playoff series. That was during a time when the scoring was low and pace was slow (5th lowest pace ever that season). He averaged 35.7 ppg, 7.5 Reb and 5.7 ast on a 60% TS%. Montorous playoff debut.

Like you said, his scoring that series was probably better than Kobe's scoring in any playoff series ever.

He was playing bums. Look at his scoring vs the Spurs in 07, Celtics in 08 and 10, Mavs in 11 etc.

The best way to determine this are comparison against the same opponents in the same year like 2008 Celtics, 2009 Magic, 2010 Celtics, 2011 Mavs and 2012 Thunder which Kobe and LeBron matched-up in the playoffs for 5 straight years. Here's their scoring average and efficiency in those series.

LeBron in 29 games
28.6 ppg in 54.4 TS%

Kobe in 27 games
28.3 ppg in 51.3 TS%

Keep in mind that Kobe always got All-NBA Gasol as his Robin in those series plus Odom while LeBron got Big Z, Mo Williams and Delonte West in his early Cavs days. So who's better?

lol. A an old broken down Kobe playing on one knee in most of those series while a peak LeBron on Miami super teams for a couple of them. Real genuine comparison.

[One Last Shot]

Your arguments in this comment and the one before, sound more like you like Kobe's style and story, rather than making an argument for why Kobe is a better scorer than Lebron.

It doesn't really matter if Lebron was a "one dimensional brute force scorer", and Kobe was skill and finesse, if at the end of the day Lebron was more effective at scoring the basketball.

You now make an argument that Lebron's playoff scoring was a product of weak opponents, while Kobe did it the hard way, but even just casually browsing the stats doesn't really support your argument. Both Lebron and Kobe have had some clunker playoff series, but looking at them playing against elite defenses, Lebron still looks better. Lebron memorably has really bad scoring series against the 2008 Celtics, 2007 Spurs, and 2011 Mavs. I'm looking more broadly at the elite defenses Lebron played in the playoffs (2015-18 Warriors, 2013-14 Pacers, 2011 Bulls, 2006 Pistons, 2013-14 Spurs etc.) and I just can't get behind your statement.

You want to highlight some bad Lebron series, which is fair, but if you're not looking at Kobe with the same scrutiny, you're not going to figure out who's the better playoff scorer.

Kobe and Lebron are probably my two least favorite players. I don't have a horse in this race.

He was playing bums. Look at his scoring vs the Spurs in 07, Celtics in 08 and 10, Mavs in 11 etc.

The best way to determine this are comparison against the same opponents in the same year like 2008 Celtics, 2009 Magic, 2010 Celtics, 2011 Mavs and 2012 Thunder which Kobe and LeBron matched-up in the playoffs for 5 straight years. Here's their scoring average and efficiency in those series.

LeBron in 29 games
28.6 ppg in 54.4 TS%

Kobe in 27 games
28.3 ppg in 51.3 TS%

Keep in mind that Kobe always got All-NBA Gasol as his Robin in those series plus Odom while LeBron got Big Z, Mo Williams and Delonte West in his early Cavs days. So who's better?

lol. A an old broken down Kobe playing on one knee in most of those series while a peak LeBron on Miami super teams for a couple of them. Real genuine comparison.

Old and broken? Kobe averaged 30 ppg in the entire 2012 playoffs but ok for your sake, let's remove LeBron's Heat days and just their scoring average and efficiency against 2008 Celtics, 2009 Magic and 2010 Celtics in the playoffs including their 2nd best scorer.


LeBron in 19 games
30.5 ppg in 54.2 TS%

Cavs 2nd leading scorer
14.3 ppg in 50.6 TS%


Kobe in 18 games
28.6 ppg in 51.9 TS%

Lakers 2nd leading scorer
17.3 ppg in 60.2 TS%


So who's better playing these bums?

[LakerLegend]

The best way to determine this are comparison against the same opponents in the same year like 2008 Celtics, 2009 Magic, 2010 Celtics, 2011 Mavs and 2012 Thunder which Kobe and LeBron matched-up in the playoffs for 5 straight years. Here's their scoring average and efficiency in those series.

LeBron in 29 games
28.6 ppg in 54.4 TS%

Kobe in 27 games
28.3 ppg in 51.3 TS%

Keep in mind that Kobe always got All-NBA Gasol as his Robin in those series plus Odom while LeBron got Big Z, Mo Williams and Delonte West in his early Cavs days. So who's better?

lol. A an old broken down Kobe playing on one knee in most of those series while a peak LeBron on Miami super teams for a couple of them. Real genuine comparison.

Old and broken? Kobe averaged 30 ppg in the entire 2012 playoffs but ok for your sake, let's remove LeBron's Heat days and just their scoring average and efficiency against 2008 Celtics, 2009 Magic and 2010 Celtics in the playoffs including their 2nd best scorer.


LeBron in 19 games
30.5 ppg in 54.2 TS%

Cavs 2nd leading scorer
14.3 ppg in 50.6 TS%


Kobe in 18 games
28.6 ppg in 51.9 TS%

Lakers 2nd leading scorer
17.3 ppg in 60.2 TS%

So who's better playing these bums?

Using 2010 plus kobe, who was clearly on the decline and 30+ on a knee that had been operated in multiples and very little cartilage, coming off multiple deep playoff runs and comparing it to a player on their mid 20s on a super team is patently disingenuous. It’s a moot point though, all of lebrons accomplishments come with an asterisk for me.