Dame is coming back to Portland!!!

[AmusingFiddle]

I am not a Blazers fan and I damn near shed a tear when I heard the news. Dame back home, where he belongs. It was strange watching him in another uniform.

Congrats to the team and fans.

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[Tim Lehrbach]

Right. Meaningful cap space means moving Grant or Holiday AND not extending or matching Shaedon.

To get cap space, it's really an OR.

Portland can get ~$35M in cap space by keeping Grant & Holiday -> and renouncing Sharpe, Rupert, Reath, RWIII, Thybulle, & Wesley.

If they can trade one of Grant/Holiday for expiring -> Portland could get ~$44M by renouncing the Grant/Holiday replacement, Rupert, Reath, RWIII, Thybulle, & Wesley [but keeping Sharpe].

If they can trade one of Grant/Holiday for expiring and renounce Sharpe (and the other guys) -> Portland could potentially get ~$60M in cap space.

I think your numbers are off a bit. I don't believe you have accounted for roster charges at 1.4M a pop....and maybe the 2026 first round pick

but more than that, you are glossing over the Camara situation. If Camara gets extended before next season starts you have to subtract 20M from each of your estimates, after accounting for roster charges. And if the Blazers can't get him on an extension this summer it's kind of a failure. If they can't, in order to keep him from becoming UFA the Blazers will have to cancel the 4th year team option on his contract and submit a 'starter-criteria' QO that will be in the 3.7M range. That's another deduction from cap-space

and if Camara goes out on the market and gets an offer sheet with 30M in base salary, that would torpedo Portland's cap-space below the waterline. Of course, the Blazers could just refuse to match and let Camara walk at the same time they waive Sharpe in this 'dump-everybody-for-the-max-cap-space' world.

I agree with DB in this regard: I don't believe Sharpe's cap-hold is relevant to Blazer plans. They aren't going to renounce him. They may even prefer the cap-hold to his new base-salary. Although, if it ends up the Blazers are 6 or 7M below the cap, they may want to somehow get over the cap if they want to use the non-tax MLE again

Yeah, when I talk about needing to dump one of Holiday or Grant and move on from Shaedon to use cap space meaningfully, I'm accounting for Camara getting a big extension.

Also, to address a point above, there is no "phantom free agent" for the erstwhile cap space plan. It's Deni, and it's Camara. If the Blazers want to keep both long-term, they had/kinda still have a chance to make it happen without the risk of UFA. Obviously, this isn't important to Cronin because he is choosing to focus on peripheral assets like Holiday and Sharpe, each of whom is nearly certain to represent a long-term liability.

When the Blazers still lack a star player and lose the best of their ensemble cast to free agency, we'll be staring at another depressing rebuild. Oh well.

[Wizenheimer]

Yeah, when I talk about needing to dump one of Holiday or Grant and move on from Shaedon to use cap space meaningfully, I'm accounting for Camara getting a big extension.

Also, to address a point above, there is no "phantom free agent" for the erstwhile cap space plan. It's Deni, and it's Camara. If the Blazers want to keep both long-term, they had/kinda still have a chance to make it happen without the risk of UFA. Obviously, this isn't important to Cronin because he is choosing to focus on peripheral assets like Holiday and Sharpe, each of whom is nearly certain to represent a long-term liability.

When the Blazers still lack a star player and lose the best of their ensemble cast to free agency, we'll be staring at another depressing rebuild. Oh well.

if Sharpe comes out next season and stinks it up....even if he stays at the same level. then sure, it might be an option to let him walk. But if he comes out next season and continues to improve; and he was certainly a different player when he wasn't on the floor with Simons, then there's no way the Blazers dump him for cap-space. Deni isn't a free agent for 3 years and when he is, the Blazers hold a lot of leverage

and you know what? we are busy talking about Sharpe maybe, or maybe not, getting better next season. But what if Avdija regresses next season and has a crappy year? I don't think it will happen, but it's not outside the realm of possible. The point is that while we're busy trying to decide if Sharpe is worth a 2nd deal or not, it seems we've assumed that Deni will not only be worth a 3rd contract 3 years from now, but be worth a really big 3rd contract. This either/or choice might look a lot different in 10 months

besides all that, it seems pretty clear that Cronin wants the Blazers to push all of their cards into the crowd at the playoff table; and I'm about 68% convinced he believes Jrue and Grant are major cards. Maybe Thybulle too

[DusterBuster]

Yeah, when I talk about needing to dump one of Holiday or Grant and move on from Shaedon to use cap space meaningfully, I'm accounting for Camara getting a big extension.

Also, to address a point above, there is no "phantom free agent" for the erstwhile cap space plan. It's Deni, and it's Camara. If the Blazers want to keep both long-term, they had/kinda still have a chance to make it happen without the risk of UFA. Obviously, this isn't important to Cronin because he is choosing to focus on peripheral assets like Holiday and Sharpe, each of whom is nearly certain to represent a long-term liability.

When the Blazers still lack a star player and lose the best of their ensemble cast to free agency, we'll be staring at another depressing rebuild. Oh well.

if Sharpe comes out next season and stinks it up....even if he stays at the same level. then sure, it might be an option to let him walk. But if he comes out next season and continues to improve; and he was certainly a different player when he wasn't on the floor with Simons, then there's no way the Blazers dump him for cap-space. Deni isn't a free agent for 3 years and when he is, the Blazers hold a lot of leverage

and you know what? we are busy talking about Sharpe maybe, or maybe not, getting better next season. But what if Avdija regresses next season and has a crappy year? I don't think it will happen, but it's not outside the realm of possible. The point is that while we're busy trying to decide if Sharpe is worth a 2nd deal or not, it seems we've assumed that Deni will not only be worth a 3rd contract 3 years from now, but be worth a really big 3rd contract

To change the subject off a non-topic like cap holds... What would be acceptable "improvement" from Sharpe for him to be worth another contract? Let's say Sharpe is around 17-19pts somewhere, shoot around 45% from the field, 35% from 3, all other stats and eye-test skills we saw last year are around the same. So slightly better 3pt shooting, still suspect to bad defense, a bit of a come-and-go player where he'll have a good stretch of games, followed by some inexplicably bad games, still a bit injury prone, etc...

Is that worth a contract of 25-30mil per year extension?

I guess for me, I like Sharpe enough, he has some super fun highlights - obviously - but something is just missing with his game. Something that I worry is Shae is that he's like a Wiggins' type player in that, there's something that just isn't ever going to click for him to move past being a "good" and occasionally really fun player, to being an actual All Star guy.

[Tim Lehrbach]

Yeah, when I talk about needing to dump one of Holiday or Grant and move on from Shaedon to use cap space meaningfully, I'm accounting for Camara getting a big extension.

Also, to address a point above, there is no "phantom free agent" for the erstwhile cap space plan. It's Deni, and it's Camara. If the Blazers want to keep both long-term, they had/kinda still have a chance to make it happen without the risk of UFA. Obviously, this isn't important to Cronin because he is choosing to focus on peripheral assets like Holiday and Sharpe, each of whom is nearly certain to represent a long-term liability.

When the Blazers still lack a star player and lose the best of their ensemble cast to free agency, we'll be staring at another depressing rebuild. Oh well.

if Sharpe comes out next season and stinks it up....even if he stays at the same level. then sure, it might be an option to let him walk. But if he comes out next season and continues to improve; and he was certainly a different player when he wasn't on the floor with Simons, then there's no way the Blazers dump him for cap-space. Deni isn't a free agent for 3 years and when he is, the Blazers hold a lot of leverage

and you know what? we are busy talking about Sharpe maybe, or maybe not, getting better next season. But what if Avdija regresses next season and has a crappy year? I don't think it will happen, but it's not outside the realm of possible. The point is that while we're busy trying to decide if Sharpe is worth a 2nd deal or not, it seems we've assumed that Deni will not only be worth a 3rd contract 3 years from now, but be worth a really big 3rd contract

I mean, yes, I am baking in a prediction that Deni will remain a better player than Sharpe. That could be wrong, but it's hardly so outrageous as to be a gotcha.

I know why teams bet on players like Sharpe and why they don't let them walk. It's still fair game to question whether the common calculus is wisely computed.

I feel like my posts are being read as outlandish or more controversial than what I'm intending. I guess, reading again, some of my language is provocative. But you've said it above: my views on Shaedon (and Scoot) are transparent, and I've laid out my support for the plan to renegotiate and extend with Deni (and extend Camara) using cap space multiple times.

If we just accept the premise that the Blazers have moved on from or never considered that option, then trading for Holiday, signing Dame, and eventually re-signing Sharpe may all be justifiable independently and in combination. I am struggling to accept the premise, admittedly.

I don't even think Deni or Camara are these amazing superstars, btw. I just think that they are the best assets the team has and that getting them on deals as long as possible ahead of their free agencies is smart. But I will concede there is merit to the ideas that Deni's best value is on the bargain contract he has for the next three years and that the Blazers shouldn't mess with that.

I guess I should just get over it. It's been months since I first endorsed the cap space plan, and every action the Blazers have taken since flies in its face. I'll drop it.

[Village Idiot]

This youtuber does an interesting analysis of Sharpe that provides a lot of grounds for optimism

Watch on YouTube

here is an AI (Gemini) synopsis:

The video argues that the Portland Trail Blazers' trade of Anthony Simons to the Celtics, while initially met with fan backlash, is a strategic move that will unlock the potential of Shaden Sharpe, who the video identifies as the team's next star.

The video draws a parallel to the Golden State Warriors' 2012 trade of Monta Ellis, which, despite fan disapproval, ultimately paved the way for Steph Curry's rise to stardom and the team's dynasty.

The video highlights Sharpe's key attributes and potential:

Efficiency and Scoring Sharpe, at age 21, was fifth in the NBA in points per game among players under 23 and demonstrated impressive efficiency, particularly given his poor three-point shooting. He had an effective field goal percentage of 51.9%, trailing only Jaylen Brown and Anthony Edwards among elite shooting guards at the same age.

Elite Finishing at the Rim Sharpe is described as an elite athlete and one of the most explosive leapers in the game. He had the fifth-best finishing rate in the league in the restricted area among guards and was the best finisher at the rim among comparable elite shooting guards at age 21.

Mid-Range Game Contrary to the perception of him as just an athlete, Sharpe also shows refinement in his game, ranking seventh in field goal percentage from mid-range among guards.

Three-Point Shooting Potential While inconsistent, Sharpe showed upside in his three-point shooting, particularly from December 21st to March 1st, where he shot 36.1% from three on over six attempts per game.

Performance Without Simons Sharpe's performance significantly improved when Anthony Simons was out of the lineup, averaging nearly 28 points, six rebounds, and four assists per game in those 10 games, leading to a 7-3 record for the Blazers.

The video concludes that the trade signals a "changing of the guard" in Portland, with the team ready to hand the keys to Shaden Sharpe, believing this move will ultimately benefit the franchise.

[Wizenheimer]

I mean, yes, I am baking in a prediction that Deni will remain a better player than Sharpe. That could be wrong, but it's hardly so outrageous as to be a gotcha.

I know why teams bet on players like Sharpe and why they don't let them walk. It's still fair game to question whether the common calculus is wisely computed.

I feel like my posts are being read as outlandish or more controversial than what I'm intending. I guess, reading again, some of my language is provocative. But you've said it above: my views on Shaedon (and Scoot) are transparent, and I've laid out my support for the plan to renegotiate and extend with Deni (and extend Camara) using cap space multiple times.

If we just accept the premise that the Blazers have moved on from or never considered that option, then trading for Holiday, signing Dame, and eventually re-signing Sharpe may all be justifiable independently and in combination. I am struggling to accept the premise, admittedly.

I don't even think Deni or Camara are these amazing superstars, btw. I just think that they are the best assets the team has and that getting them on deals as long as possible ahead of their free agencies is smart. But I will concede there is merit to the ideas that Deni's best value is on the bargain contract he has for the next three years and that the Blazers shouldn't mess with that.

I guess I should just get over it. It's been months since I first endorsed the cap space plan, and every action the Blazers have taken since flies in its face. I'll drop it.

just to be clear, my entire argument rests on the premise that all cap-holds are not the same. Some, like Sharpe's are an obstacle. Others, like Timelord's next summer, and possibly Kris Marray's are no obstacles at all

the notion of Deni possibly regressing a little wasn't intended as a gotcha. Sorry if it seemed that way. We're talking about the calculus of cap-space, cap-holds, and extensions. I was just adding a possible factor to the equation. Everything we're talking about is a year from now and between then and now are a training camp, a pre-season, a regular season, a trade-deadline, and possibly, another lottery pick. The calculus will change

personally, as you implied, I don't believe the Blazer front office ever really intended to utilize cap-space next summer

[Wizenheimer]

To change the subject off a non-topic like cap holds... What would be acceptable "improvement" from Sharpe for him to be worth another contract? Let's say Sharpe is around 17-19pts somewhere, shoot around 45% from the field, 35% from 3, all other stats and eye-test skills we saw last year are around the same. So slightly better 3pt shooting, still suspect to bad defense, a bit of a come-and-go player where he'll have a good stretch of games, followed by some inexplicably bad games, still a bit injury prone, etc...

Is that worth a contract of 25-30mil per year extension?

yeah, I'd say that kind of progression is worth at least that much

a max rookie scale extension is worth 25% of the cap. Then you have to factor in that non-all-star starting level players coming off the rookie scale almost always get overpaid. It's just the nature of the beast

Simons, at 25M/year, got an annual average salary equal to 20.3% of the salary cap. CJ's 1st year on his new deal was 24% of the salary cap, but then Olshey was a complete moron about CJ

anyway, next summer the cap is projected to be around 180M. An annual salary of 20% of the cap would be 36M/year. 25M/year would be less than 14% of the cap. We need to dismiss that low a salary. It's just not realistic. IMO. That would be about a 22-23M 1st year salary and that would be less that 13% of the cap.

also, we have Cronin's history with signings: he gave Simons 25M/year; Nurkic 18M/year; Payton a max MLE; Grant 33M/year; Dame a max MLE. Nothing in that history suggests he'll play hardball with Sharpe

I guess for me, I like Sharpe enough, he has some super fun highlights - obviously - but something is just missing with his game. Something that I worry is Shae is that he's like a Wiggins' type player in that, there's something that just isn't ever going to click for him to move past being a "good" and occasionally really fun player, to being an actual All Star guy.

those are very valid concerns. Sharpe's alpha genes haven't shown up enough. I will point out at the end of last season when Simons was out and the team was Deni's and Sharpe's, that Sharpe averaged 29-7-5. That's pretty alpha

something else: if you look at 2-man lineups last season, and gauge by net points/100-possessions

D. Avdija | D. Clingan +3.5
T. Camara | D. Clingan +1.3
D. Avdija | T. Camara +0.8
S. Henderson | S. Sharpe +0.5
T. Camara | S. Henderson -0.4
D. Avdija | A. Simons -0.6
D. Avdija | S. Sharpe -1.3

it's kind of encouraging. The 4th best was Scoot/Sharpe. And it showed that thru all the back-and-forth chatter, a case could actually be made that Simons was standing in the way of both Sharpe and Scoot

the path has been kind of cleared for Sharpe and Scoot. If Billups (and Dame) can convince Grant to be a willing 6th man, Sharpe will have his chance to show he deserves a big 2nd contract

[dckingsfan]

To change the subject off a non-topic like cap holds... What would be acceptable "improvement" from Sharpe for him to be worth another contract? Let's say Sharpe is around 17-19pts somewhere, shoot around 45% from the field, 35% from 3, all other stats and eye-test skills we saw last year are around the same. So slightly better 3pt shooting, still suspect to bad defense, a bit of a come-and-go player where he'll have a good stretch of games, followed by some inexplicably bad games, still a bit injury prone, etc...

Is that worth a contract of 25-30mil per year extension?

yeah, I'd say that kind of progression is worth at least that much

a max rookie scale extension is worth 25% of the cap. Then you have to factor in that non-all-star starting level players coming off the rookie scale almost always get overpaid. It's just the nature of the beast

Simons, at 25M/year, got an annual average salary equal to 20.3% of the salary cap. CJ's 1st year on his new deal was 24% of the salary cap, but then Olshey was a complete moron about CJ

anyway, next summer the cap is projected to be around 180M. An annual salary of 20% of the cap would be 36M/year. 25M/year would be less than 14% of the cap. We need to dismiss that low a salary. It's just not realistic. IMO. That would be about a 22-23M 1st year salary and that would be less that 13% of the cap.

also, we have Cronin's history with signings: he gave Simons 25M/year; Nurkic 18M/year; Payton a max MLE; Grant 33M/year; Dame a max MLE. Nothing in that history suggests he'll play hardball with Sharpe

I guess for me, I like Sharpe enough, he has some super fun highlights - obviously - but something is just missing with his game. Something that I worry is Shae is that he's like a Wiggins' type player in that, there's something that just isn't ever going to click for him to move past being a "good" and occasionally really fun player, to being an actual All Star guy.

those are very valid concerns. Sharpe's alpha genes haven't shown up enough. I will point out at the end of last season when Simons was out and the team was Deni's and Sharpe's, that Sharpe averaged 29-7-5. That's pretty alpha

something else: if you look at 2-man lineups last season, and gauge by net points/100-possessions

D. Avdija | D. Clingan +3.5
T. Camara | D. Clingan +1.3
D. Avdija | T. Camara +0.8
S. Henderson | S. Sharpe +0.5
T. Camara | S. Henderson -0.4
D. Avdija | A. Simons -0.6
D. Avdija | S. Sharpe -1.3

it's kind of encouraging. The 4th best was Scoot/Sharpe. And it showed that thru all the back-and-forth chatter, a case could actually be made that Simons was standing in the way of both Sharpe and Scoot

the path has been kind of cleared for Sharpe and Scoot. If Billups (and Dame) can convince Grant to be a willing 6th man, Sharpe will have his chance to show he deserves a big 2nd contract

Can you pull the 3-man rotations as well?

Interested in Avdija/Camara/Sharpe & Avdija/Camara/Grant for obvious reasons.

Guessing that Avdija/Camara/Clingan should look pretty good and is the real foundation (guessing without data).

[Wizenheimer]

To change the subject off a non-topic like cap holds... What would be acceptable "improvement" from Sharpe for him to be worth another contract? Let's say Sharpe is around 17-19pts somewhere, shoot around 45% from the field, 35% from 3, all other stats and eye-test skills we saw last year are around the same. So slightly better 3pt shooting, still suspect to bad defense, a bit of a come-and-go player where he'll have a good stretch of games, followed by some inexplicably bad games, still a bit injury prone, etc...

Is that worth a contract of 25-30mil per year extension?

yeah, I'd say that kind of progression is worth at least that much

a max rookie scale extension is worth 25% of the cap. Then you have to factor in that non-all-star starting level players coming off the rookie scale almost always get overpaid. It's just the nature of the beast

Simons, at 25M/year, got an annual average salary equal to 20.3% of the salary cap. CJ's 1st year on his new deal was 24% of the salary cap, but then Olshey was a complete moron about CJ

anyway, next summer the cap is projected to be around 180M. An annual salary of 20% of the cap would be 36M/year. 25M/year would be less than 14% of the cap. We need to dismiss that low a salary. It's just not realistic. IMO. That would be about a 22-23M 1st year salary and that would be less that 13% of the cap.

also, we have Cronin's history with signings: he gave Simons 25M/year; Nurkic 18M/year; Payton a max MLE; Grant 33M/year; Dame a max MLE. Nothing in that history suggests he'll play hardball with Sharpe

I guess for me, I like Sharpe enough, he has some super fun highlights - obviously - but something is just missing with his game. Something that I worry is Shae is that he's like a Wiggins' type player in that, there's something that just isn't ever going to click for him to move past being a "good" and occasionally really fun player, to being an actual All Star guy.

those are very valid concerns. Sharpe's alpha genes haven't shown up enough. I will point out at the end of last season when Simons was out and the team was Deni's and Sharpe's, that Sharpe averaged 29-7-5. That's pretty alpha

something else: if you look at 2-man lineups last season, and gauge by net points/100-possessions

D. Avdija | D. Clingan +3.5
T. Camara | D. Clingan +1.3
D. Avdija | T. Camara +0.8
S. Henderson | S. Sharpe +0.5
T. Camara | S. Henderson -0.4
D. Avdija | A. Simons -0.6
D. Avdija | S. Sharpe -1.3

it's kind of encouraging. The 4th best was Scoot/Sharpe. And it showed that thru all the back-and-forth chatter, a case could actually be made that Simons was standing in the way of both Sharpe and Scoot

the path has been kind of cleared for Sharpe and Scoot. If Billups (and Dame) can convince Grant to be a willing 6th man, Sharpe will have his chance to show he deserves a big 2nd contract

Can you pull the 3-man rotations as well?

Interested in Avdija/Camara/Sharpe & Avdija/Camara/Grant for obvious reasons.

Guessing that Avdija/Camara/Clingan should look pretty good and is the real foundation (guessing without data).

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/POR/2025/lineups/

the categories are sortable. Just click on the header

[dckingsfan]

yeah, I'd say that kind of progression is worth at least that much

a max rookie scale extension is worth 25% of the cap. Then you have to factor in that non-all-star starting level players coming off the rookie scale almost always get overpaid. It's just the nature of the beast

Simons, at 25M/year, got an annual average salary equal to 20.3% of the salary cap. CJ's 1st year on his new deal was 24% of the salary cap, but then Olshey was a complete moron about CJ

anyway, next summer the cap is projected to be around 180M. An annual salary of 20% of the cap would be 36M/year. 25M/year would be less than 14% of the cap. We need to dismiss that low a salary. It's just not realistic. IMO. That would be about a 22-23M 1st year salary and that would be less that 13% of the cap.

also, we have Cronin's history with signings: he gave Simons 25M/year; Nurkic 18M/year; Payton a max MLE; Grant 33M/year; Dame a max MLE. Nothing in that history suggests he'll play hardball with Sharpe



those are very valid concerns. Sharpe's alpha genes haven't shown up enough. I will point out at the end of last season when Simons was out and the team was Deni's and Sharpe's, that Sharpe averaged 29-7-5. That's pretty alpha

something else: if you look at 2-man lineups last season, and gauge by net points/100-possessions

D. Avdija | D. Clingan +3.5
T. Camara | D. Clingan +1.3
D. Avdija | T. Camara +0.8
S. Henderson | S. Sharpe +0.5
T. Camara | S. Henderson -0.4
D. Avdija | A. Simons -0.6
D. Avdija | S. Sharpe -1.3

it's kind of encouraging. The 4th best was Scoot/Sharpe. And it showed that thru all the back-and-forth chatter, a case could actually be made that Simons was standing in the way of both Sharpe and Scoot

the path has been kind of cleared for Sharpe and Scoot. If Billups (and Dame) can convince Grant to be a willing 6th man, Sharpe will have his chance to show he deserves a big 2nd contract

Can you pull the 3-man rotations as well?

Interested in Avdija/Camara/Sharpe & Avdija/Camara/Grant for obvious reasons.

Guessing that Avdija/Camara/Clingan should look pretty good and is the real foundation (guessing without data).

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/POR/2025/lineups/

the categories are sortable. Just click on the header

Only ones with net Positive:

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D. Avdija | D. Clingan   | A. Simons   481:03   7.0
D. Avdija | T. Camara    | S. Sharpe   731:22   2.4
D. Avdija | T. Camara    | A. Simons   980:01   2.2
T. Camara | S. Henderson | S. Sharpe   638:36   0.4

Two man:

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D. Avdija    | D. Clingan   741:24   3.5
T. Camara    | D. Clingan   779:53   1.3
D. Avdija    | T. Camara   1448:52   0.8
S. Henderson | S. Sharpe   894:29   0.5

[Wizenheimer]

Can you pull the 3-man rotations as well?

Interested in Avdija/Camara/Sharpe & Avdija/Camara/Grant for obvious reasons.

Guessing that Avdija/Camara/Clingan should look pretty good and is the real foundation (guessing without data).

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/POR/2025/lineups/

the categories are sortable. Just click on the header

Only ones with net Positive:

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D. Avdija | D. Clingan   | A. Simons   481:03   7.0
D. Avdija | T. Camara    | S. Sharpe   731:22   2.4
D. Avdija | T. Camara    | A. Simons   980:01   2.2
T. Camara | S. Henderson | S. Sharpe   638:36   0.4

Two man:

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D. Avdija    | D. Clingan   741:24   3.5
T. Camara    | D. Clingan   779:53   1.3
D. Avdija    | T. Camara   1448:52   0.8
S. Henderson | S. Sharpe   894:29   0.5

on the other hand, look at the 5 worst 3 man lineups, and the worst:

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16   T. Camara | J. Grant | A. Simons   -10.6
17   D. Ayton | T. Camara | A. Simons   -10.9
18   T. Camara | J. Grant | S. Sharpe   -14.6
19   D. Ayton | T. Camara | J. Grant   -16.6
20   D. Ayton | J. Grant | A. Simons   -18.1