Around the NBA 2024-25 - In Our Offseason, Vol. 1

spree2kawhi · Post #961 » by **spree2kawhi** » Fri Jul 25, 2025 6:39 pm

Still, somewhere that reporter is smiling. Forgot who it was.

stuporman · Post #962 » by **stuporman** » Fri Jul 25, 2025 8:15 pm

The teams who made the playoffs and went furthest in them have the most players who contribute on both ends of the court. In a copycat league teams are just deciding that throwing money at one trick ponies isn't going to get them out of the lottery. They're losing value quick.

It's not winning anything with guys who don't play both ends thinking that one player 'covers' for another. You only have 5 on the court and a rotation of 8ish come playoff time. The only real outliers are defensive bigs and even they have their days numbered in the modern NBA.

BKlutch · Post #963 » by **BKlutch** » Fri Jul 25, 2025 8:54 pm

8516knicks wrote:A bit OT but it's off-season: Just read Sandy Koufax went to U of Cinn in 1954 on a BASKETBALL scholarship; was an all-NYC H.S. forward (at 6'2") and his Lafayette H.S.team scrimmaged the KNICKS in 1953. After the scrimmage Knick star Harry Gallatin told Sandy's coach " “We’ll be coming back for this kid someday,”

Still it's unlikely he'd had done as well in the NBA as he did in MLB. His career is among the best ever.

BKlutch · Post #964 » by **BKlutch** » Fri Jul 25, 2025 8:56 pm

Jeff Van Gully wrote:
spree2kawhi wrote:
Jay10 wrote:
Basically saying just give him $15M and we promise we won't match the offer.

Put differently, it means that if he played defense, he’d get $30M.

easy. $30M is discount bread for a two-way starter with his bag in this climate.

but the market also dictates the pay. too late in the musical chairs game and you get lowballed due to lack of opportunity.

this offer is still wild disrespectful, even for what kind of player he is.

looking at the market, what does a quentin grimes get right now? what should he get as a two-way starter caliber guy? and what's out there now?

dog days.

He probably deserves the $25M he's seeking, but at this time, which teams that need his services have that much left under the cap? I mean, he'd fit well on our bench, but we're only able to squeeze in a bargain basement vet min guy.

8516knicks · Post #965 » by **8516knicks** » Fri Jul 25, 2025 9:25 pm

TheGreenArrow wrote:

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Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Someone's giving us a ton of respect. Unlike the board. :lol:

3toheadmelo · Post #966 » by **3toheadmelo** » Fri Jul 25, 2025 10:13 pm

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Guano · Post #967 » by **Guano** » Sat Jul 26, 2025 6:23 am

Wemby continues to impress.

Though its kinda fcked up this is the only player I can recall making it known he doesn't fck with Malone.

nykballa2k4 · Post #968 » by **nykballa2k4** » Sat Jul 26, 2025 3:26 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:

Watch on YouTube

CJ McCollum is now complaining about the CBA that he agreed to and how it hurts teams trying to contend.

I think we need to jump this guy and beat his ass when whatever team he's on now visits MSG.

People attacking CJ don't understand how unions and negotiations work...

You can't get EVERYTHING and usually you are fighting not to lose things. New TV money about to hit, he is putting things out now to be part of the discussion topic. He is trying to use the public to negotiate. It's odd that people are not talking about what he said, but rather that it was HE who said it.

The subject matter is actually an interesting debate, but it's more fun to just LOL at CJ I guess...

nykballa2k4 · Post #969 » by **nykballa2k4** » Sat Jul 26, 2025 3:35 pm

KnicksGadfly wrote:
Jay10 wrote:
KnicksGadfly wrote:
Wow that's extremely insulting...they're really abusing their leverage. If I'm Cam, I aim for a one year deal and get out of there

Basically saying just give him $15M and we promise we won't match the offer.

I don't think it's that. It's basically, no one else has money to pay you more and we're the only ones left, so here's our offer - take it or leave it. Guess they're also banking on the fact that Cam's pay is already low as the former 27th draft pick.

If I'm Cam, I take that QO. Even that Team Option is disrespectful. They're already offering a low-ball deal...that should be a player option at least.

They should make it a partial guarantee because then they can trade him without the NTC

MrDollarBills · Post #970 » by **MrDollarBills** » Sat Jul 26, 2025 4:09 pm

nykballa2k4 wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:

Watch on YouTube

CJ McCollum is now complaining about the CBA that he agreed to and how it hurts teams trying to contend.

I think we need to jump this guy and beat his ass when whatever team he's on now visits MSG.

People attacking CJ don't understand how unions and negotiations work...

You can't get EVERYTHING and usually you are fighting not to lose things. New TV money about to hit, he is putting things out now to be part of the discussion topic. He is trying to use the public to negotiate. It's odd that people are not talking about what he said, but rather that it was HE who said it.

The subject matter is actually an interesting debate, but it's more fun to just LOL at CJ I guess...

I'm kidding.

nykballa2k4 · Post #971 » by **nykballa2k4** » Sat Jul 26, 2025 5:09 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:

Watch on YouTube

CJ McCollum is now complaining about the CBA that he agreed to and how it hurts teams trying to contend.

I think we need to jump this guy and beat his ass when whatever team he's on now visits MSG.

People attacking CJ don't understand how unions and negotiations work...

You can't get EVERYTHING and usually you are fighting not to lose things. New TV money about to hit, he is putting things out now to be part of the discussion topic. He is trying to use the public to negotiate. It's odd that people are not talking about what he said, but rather that it was HE who said it.

The subject matter is actually an interesting debate, but it's more fun to just LOL at CJ I guess...

I'm kidding.

???
I didn't think that for a moment you were actually doing a call to violence, but I didn't know what side of the argument you fell on here. it's an interesting topic of how much do you want to let a team like OKC grow, how can you do it without allowing them to trade a bunch of other stuff outside of the main guys for a Giannis etc.

Personally I don't like that vet min contracts count against/towards the cap. It makes all the math much more complex when it shouldn't be and it punishes reliable vets because they can't take a 500k salary to join a team like an undrafted kid can.

Fat Kat · Post #972 » by **Fat Kat** » Sun Jul 27, 2025 12:52 am

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KnicksGadfly · Post #973 » by **KnicksGadfly** » Sun Jul 27, 2025 1:34 am

How are we not posting about DeAngelo Russell and some person named Jaw Morant? :lol:

Bro is going to get some nasty arena chants

spree2kawhi · Post #974 » by **spree2kawhi** » Sun Jul 27, 2025 5:27 am

Fat Kat wrote:

Read on Twitter

Why did he post that?

god shammgod · Post #975 » by **god shammgod** » Sun Jul 27, 2025 11:30 am

jaw morant is crazy lol

Fat Kat · Post #976 » by **Fat Kat** » Sun Jul 27, 2025 5:39 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:
Fat Kat wrote:

Read on Twitter

Why did he post that?

Just jokes. They are friends.

TheGreenArrow · Post #977 » by **TheGreenArrow** » Sun Jul 27, 2025 9:59 pm

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MrDollarBills · Post #978 » by **MrDollarBills** » Sun Jul 27, 2025 10:10 pm

nykballa2k4 wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:
People attacking CJ don't understand how unions and negotiations work...

You can't get EVERYTHING and usually you are fighting not to lose things. New TV money about to hit, he is putting things out now to be part of the discussion topic. He is trying to use the public to negotiate. It's odd that people are not talking about what he said, but rather that it was HE who said it.

The subject matter is actually an interesting debate, but it's more fun to just LOL at CJ I guess...

I'm kidding.

???
I didn't think that for a moment you were actually doing a call to violence, but I didn't know what side of the argument you fell on here. it's an interesting topic of how much do you want to let a team like OKC grow, how can you do it without allowing them to trade a bunch of other stuff outside of the main guys for a Giannis etc.

Personally I don't like that vet min contracts count against/towards the cap. It makes all the math much more complex when it shouldn't be and it punishes reliable vets because they can't take a 500k salary to join a team like an undrafted kid can.

Yeah I wasn't serious :lol:

However, CJ and the NBAPA knew about the 2nd apron and still agreed to it. Why? That is my question. How did they not know this was going to happen?

Or is the union basically run by the top and upper middle class players and they don't care?

Also agreed. Vet mins shouldn't count towards the cap, or there should be a limit of how many you can field at one time.

MrDollarBills · Post #979 » by **MrDollarBills** » Sun Jul 27, 2025 10:16 pm

KnicksGadfly wrote:How are we not posting about DeAngelo Russell and some person named Jaw Morant?

Bro is going to get some nasty arena chants

I'm not surprised one bit.

DLo has always been a stupid ass idiot

nykballa2k4 · Post #980 » by **nykballa2k4** » Mon Jul 28, 2025 1:15 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
I'm kidding.

???
I didn't think that for a moment you were actually doing a call to violence, but I didn't know what side of the argument you fell on here. it's an interesting topic of how much do you want to let a team like OKC grow, how can you do it without allowing them to trade a bunch of other stuff outside of the main guys for a Giannis etc.

Personally I don't like that vet min contracts count against/towards the cap. It makes all the math much more complex when it shouldn't be and it punishes reliable vets because they can't take a 500k salary to join a team like an undrafted kid can.

Yeah I wasn't serious

However, CJ and the NBAPA knew about the 2nd apron and still agreed to it. Why? That is my question. How did they not know this was going to happen?

Or is the union basically run by the top and upper middle class players and they don't care?

Also agreed. Vet mins shouldn't count towards the cap, or there should be a limit of how many you can field at one time.

I know that the players got some nice things, or things that sounded good at that time (can't remember for the life of me). However, people with money and power are usually good at keeping it, so this was the L they took. I don't think the PA thought they won, but they probably felt they didn't bomb.