Cooper Flagg Rookie Season Expectations

[76ciology]

Is there a stat that shows the average points per game for Rookies of the Year over the past X number of years? It feels like 16 PPG is the sweet spot, almost like a baseline you can safely bet on for most ROY candidates.

[ball_takes23]

19/7/4 in 30 mpg were his college stats, i think he should put up a similar line in his rookie season considering he should be averaging slightly more mpg (32-33 mpg) and the NBA game has a lot more spacing than college

[tsherkin]

Is there a stat that shows the average points per game for Rookies of the Year over the past X number of years? It feels like 16 PPG is the sweet spot, almost like a baseline you can safely bet on for most ROY candidates.

You could grab the summary of ROY winners from b-ref and take their PPG averages (which are on that page) and average that out, I suppose.

[Uncle Mxy]

JD Power and Associates Best Value in the New Hybrids category

[TheNG]

I expect about 1 thread per week

[Mephariel]

For me, it is about efficiency not raw scoring. If he averaged 19 points but shoots 38%, that is not that impressive.

[Lalouie]

18/6/4

[John Murdoch]

Bust, looks like Christian Laitner

[PlatinumState]

Probably 19/7/4/1.5

[Bernman]

Justify the hype 24 pts 7 rebounds 5 assists

Why should you need to do that on a winning team as an 18-19 yr old to justify the hype? Wemby didn't even hit 2 of those marks on a losing team.

He justifies the hype if he's a reasonably productive, efficient, contributor to winning, as a kid who should be a freshman in college.

[bonita_the_frog]

Bust, looks like Christian Laitner

Flagg looks a lot more athletic than Laettner videos.

[MavsDirk41]

I think he will put up something like 15/5/3 on 47/36/80

With the hype you would like to see 18/6/4 on 50/38/84 or something so i dont think he will be that far off from expectations

[Handlez]

16, 7, and 4 is my prediction.

Good efficiency.

Lots of easy breakout buckets.

But regardless, he can't be called a bust at his age. He has many years to prove himself.

[MavsDirk41]

Bust, looks like Christian Laitner

He is way more athletic, better defensive player, ball handler, and passer than Laitneer. Not a good comparison.

[Bucks4005]

Feel like his upside is the current Frank Wagner, but American version as a best case scenario. A bigger SF, will likely have a size advantage on most SFs most nights with the size to slide down to PF, great on defense, inconsistent 3 point shooter, but can run an offense a bit, like Warner, can he lead your offense, yes, but he’s never the main guy you want on offense.

Like, Franz was a 24-5-5, guys this year, at least on the Mavs with guys who will play PF and C, that’s kinda his upside in a few years IMO since he’ll be spending a bit more time on the perimeter with Davis and Gifford down low, but i can see his 3 point numbers fluctuating like Wagners has year to year, like 36% one year, 29% another, just a lot of variance like Wagner.

[tsherkin]

Bust, looks like Christian Laitner

He is way more athletic, better defensive player, ball handler, and passer than Laitneer. Not a good comparison.

Might also remember that Laettner was a 17/8/3 guy for his first half decade, made an All-Star team. He was efficient, too. Good shooter. Injuries and age eventually took him down, but he was a good player. And Flagg is considerably more athletic AND a far better defender, with a better attitude.

[Bernman]

Feel like his upside is the current Frank Wagner, but American version as a best case scenario. A bigger SF, will likely have a size advantage on most SFs most nights with the size to slide down to PF, great on defense, inconsistent 3 point shooter, but can run an offense a bit, like Warner, can he lead your offense, yes, but he’s never the main guy you want on offense.

Like, Franz was a 24-5-5, guys this year, at least on the Mavs with guys who will play PF and C, that’s kinda his upside in a few years IMO since he’ll be spending a bit more time on the perimeter with Davis and Gifford down low, but i can see his 3 point numbers fluctuating like Wagners has year to year, like 36% one year, 29% another, just a lot of variance like Wagner.

That's crazy. How is the upside a guy who has inferior athleticism, shooting, & court vision than what he has at 18?

One could also figure you went wrong pigeon-holing him into the white wing bucket when a good majority of the league is black and he has anomalous athleticism.

[Bucks4005]

Feel like his upside is the current Frank Wagner, but American version as a best case scenario. A bigger SF, will likely have a size advantage on most SFs most nights with the size to slide down to PF, great on defense, inconsistent 3 point shooter, but can run an offense a bit, like Warner, can he lead your offense, yes, but he’s never the main guy you want on offense.

Like, Franz was a 24-5-5, guys this year, at least on the Mavs with guys who will play PF and C, that’s kinda his upside in a few years IMO since he’ll be spending a bit more time on the perimeter with Davis and Gifford down low, but i can see his 3 point numbers fluctuating like Wagners has year to year, like 36% one year, 29% another, just a lot of variance like Wagner.

That's crazy. How is the upside a guy who has inferior athleticism, shooting, & court vision than what he has at 18?

One could also figure you went wrong pigeon-holing him into the white wing bucket when a good majority of the league is black and he has anomalous athleticism.

I don’t see how saying he could be a 25-5-5 guys is really a knock on him……. I mean, I could say he’ll be Anthony Edwards, a 27-5-5 guys, I don’t see how that’s an insult. Franz Wagner was 15th in the league in scoring this year. Like, among other SFs, he’s 3rd in scoring, behind LeBron and Tatum. I don’t personally think his upside is multiple time All-NBA guys off the bat, I dont think that’s that ridiculous, cause I think they have a different skill set on offense, as a ball handler LeBron is way ahead and Tatum has more as a shooter. And while he can improve, I don’t see the drastic improvement in his career that he’d need to reach those guys level. But I feel like your discounting how good Wagner actually is among SFs in thre NBA.

The reason I referenced Franz is that he plays as a supersized SF, which I mentioned. Like, Wagner could probably play a lot of minutes at the 4 like Flagg could, but due to the presence of Banchero/Carter Jr. who play a ton of minutes, and Davis/Gafford, Flagg will probably play more on the perimeter. I like Franz a lot also because he’s shown on his Olympic team he can be a feature piece at times, which is something Flagg can probably be, but there’s variance in his shooting ability which makes you hesitant to make him the feature piece in an offense, which is also something Wagners shown on the Magic.

I mean, you say Flagg is superior to Wagner, again, feel, like your discounting how good Wagner is. I mean, basically saying he’s a lock to be better is saying he’s gonna be close to or at LeBron level as a player. Or even Tatum even which is still multiple All-NBA type guy. And I’m not really ready to say he’s going to be LeBron or Tatum level, as I said, I don’t think his shooting or ball handling are not on that level. So I feel that’s not that ridiculous to just assume Flagg is gonna be that good.

[Frank Dux]

17/6/4

[Pointgod]

16, 6, 3 with 3 stocks. He’s not the top dog on the food chain. Hes playing with some shot happy teammates.