Shams: Bobby Promoted to "Final Decision Maker of Basketball (still GM) " update pg. 27

[YogurtProducer]

Bobby won't stay on under Casey.

Source?

Source for any other GM quitting when a new president was hired?

Just so we're all clear: are you on the side of Casey being a good hire?

I'm on the side of I really don't care who the president is. Masai was a defacto GM playing "president", but anyone else is not gonna be like that. Is Casey A good hire? NO CLUE - because I, nor you, have any idea what the role would even consist of in entirety.

Just like no one cares that Clay Bennett is the President of OKC and not Sam Presti. Or Rich Gothan instead of Brad Stevens.

Some teams dont even have a "President". I just don't think this is gonna matter a whole ton.

[Tha Cynic]

Honeslty don’t hate a Casey hire. Wasn’t a great Xs and Os coach but our best player development era did take place under his watch.

He also seems like the kind of guy who wouldn’t get overly involved in areas he doesn’t know (scouting?).

I wouldn’t really mind that hire, and I wasn’t a fan of his when he was our coach. But he could set a good culture which is likely more than you could ask for from a president.

If you’re Bobby Webster do you think Casey should be your boss or do you feel like you would be better for the role? If Bobby leaves are we then looking for a new GM or pray that Dan Tolzman becomes GM?

I see a potential trickle-down effect here

[YogurtProducer]

Honeslty don’t hate a Casey hire. Wasn’t a great Xs and Os coach but our best player development era did take place under his watch.

He also seems like the kind of guy who wouldn’t get overly involved in areas he doesn’t know (scouting?).

I wouldn’t really mind that hire, and I wasn’t a fan of his when he was our coach. But he could set a good culture which is likely more than you could ask for from a president.

If you’re Bobby Webster do you think Casey should be your boss or do you feel like you would be better for the role? If Bobby leaves are we then looking for a new GM or pray that Dan Tolzman becomes GM?

I see a potential trickle-down effect here

Bobby is also one of the youngest GMS in the league. I dont think this is the same situation as most.

And again - it depends on how the roles are constructed

[WuTang_CMB]

Source?

Source for any other GM quitting when a new president was hired?

Just so we're all clear: are you on the side of Casey being a good hire?

I'm on the side of I really don't care who the president is. Masai was a defacto GM playing "president", but anyone else is not gonna be like that. Is Casey A good hire? NO CLUE - because I, nor you, have any idea what the role would even consist of in entirety.

Just like no one cares that Clay Bennett is the President of OKC and not Sam Presti. Or Rich Gothan instead of Brad Stevens.

Some teams dont even have a "President". I just don't think this is gonna matter a whole ton.

Clay Bennet is not the ultimate basketball decision maker, he's a business guy and the team owner. Everyone gets caught up in titles but the question should be who is the ultimate decision maker? For the Raptors, it was Masai as the president and de facto GM. For Boston, it's Brad Stevens. OKC, Presti. Pelley came out and already stated he's hiring a President of Basketball ops since we are in the middle of a rebuild. Which means that person is not for business or glory, it's to have final say and will run the show... else wtf is all this for? Hire Dwane as team mascot for culture? Hiring him in any front office capacity is idiotic

So now even if they said, Dwane is President but Bobby runs the show... how dysfunctional is that? How long will that last? You either hire a "final decision maker" or you don't - whatever title you want for that person.

Bobby is going to walk if he has to answer to Casey. Rightfully so.

[PushDaRock]

Source?

Source for any other GM quitting when a new president was hired?

Just so we're all clear: are you on the side of Casey being a good hire?

I'm on the side of I really don't care who the president is. Masai was a defacto GM playing "president", but anyone else is not gonna be like that. Is Casey A good hire? NO CLUE - because I, nor you, have any idea what the role would even consist of in entirety.

Just like no one cares that Clay Bennett is the President of OKC and not Sam Presti. Or Rich Gothan instead of Brad Stevens.

Some teams dont even have a "President". I just don't think this is gonna matter a whole ton.

How often does the guy that get passed over for the promotion end up staying long term?

Casey would also be in the position where the guy working under him wanted his job.

[Tha Cynic]

The biggest worry I had with this firing was who Rogers would turn to to help with basketball decisions. They know Casey lol. They turned to Casey by default because these are all puck heads who have no connections in the NBA. Welcome to the new reality.

[Kreamy]

Just so we're all clear: are you on the side of Casey being a good hire?

I'm on the side of I really don't care who the president is. Masai was a defacto GM playing "president", but anyone else is not gonna be like that. Is Casey A good hire? NO CLUE - because I, nor you, have any idea what the role would even consist of in entirety.

Just like no one cares that Clay Bennett is the President of OKC and not Sam Presti. Or Rich Gothan instead of Brad Stevens.

Some teams dont even have a "President". I just don't think this is gonna matter a whole ton.

Clay Bennet is not the ultimate basketball decision maker, he's a business guy and the team owner. Everyone gets caught up in titles but the question will be who is the ultimate decision maker? For the Raptors, it was Masai as the president and de facto GM. For Boston, it's Brad Stevens. Pelley came out and already stated he's hiring a President of Basketball ops since we are in the middle of a rebuild. Which means that person is not for business or glory, it's to have final say and will run the show... else wtf is all this for? Hire Dwane as team mascot for culture? Hiring him in any front office capacity is idiotic

So now even if they said, Dwane is President but Bobby runs the show... how dysfunctional is that? How long will that last? You either hire a "final decision maker" or you don't - whatever title you want to that person.

Bobby is going to walk if he has to answer to Casey. Rightfully so.

But.... who's to say what a president of basketball ops really does?

[ForeverTFC]

Source?

Source for any other GM quitting when a new president was hired?

Just so we're all clear: are you on the side of Casey being a good hire?

I'm on the side of I really don't care who the president is. Masai was a defacto GM playing "president", but anyone else is not gonna be like that. Is Casey A good hire? NO CLUE - because I, nor you, have any idea what the role would even consist of in entirety.

Just like no one cares that Clay Bennett is the President of OKC and not Sam Presti. Or Rich Gothan instead of Brad Stevens.

Some teams dont even have a "President". I just don't think this is gonna matter a whole ton.

Pelley told us why he wants a President for the Raptors and that the role will have Basketball oversight. We've seen enough of Casey to know he is a guy who is set in his ways, unimaginative and does not take accountability. That is not who I want as the "head" of the Raptors.

[Raps Next GM]

Source?

Source for any other GM quitting when a new president was hired?

Just so we're all clear: are you on the side of Casey being a good hire?

I'm on the side of I really don't care who the president is. Masai was a defacto GM playing "president", but anyone else is not gonna be like that. Is Casey A good hire? NO CLUE - because I, nor you, have any idea what the role would even consist of in entirety.

Just like no one cares that Clay Bennett is the President of OKC and not Sam Presti. Or Rich Gothan instead of Brad Stevens.

Some teams dont even have a "President". I just don't think this is gonna matter a whole ton.

I don’t disagree with the main point of your post, but the optics are really bad if they hire a guy who was fired, which was immediately followed by the team’s greatest seasons, then is hired back to the top job.
Obviously Casey never had the opportunity to coach Kawhi, Gasol and Green, etc., but fair or not, the fact is Casey got fired and we won a title with his replacement the next season.
Selling to your fans that he is now going to replace the beloved architect of the championship team is something that I still cannot believe they could ever do.

[Raps in 4]

The biggest worry I had with this firing was who Rogers would turn to to help with basketball decisions. They know Casey lol. They turned to Casey by default because these are all puck heads who have no connections in the NBA. Welcome to the new reality.

They're not even puck heads. They don't know anything about anything. Ed can't even run his own business well. He's just lucky he inherited a business from his dad that operates in a government-protected duopoly.

[PushDaRock]

Just so we're all clear: are you on the side of Casey being a good hire?

I'm on the side of I really don't care who the president is. Masai was a defacto GM playing "president", but anyone else is not gonna be like that. Is Casey A good hire? NO CLUE - because I, nor you, have any idea what the role would even consist of in entirety.

Just like no one cares that Clay Bennett is the President of OKC and not Sam Presti. Or Rich Gothan instead of Brad Stevens.

Some teams dont even have a "President". I just don't think this is gonna matter a whole ton.

Pelley told us why he wants a President for the Raptors and that the role will have Basketball oversight. We've seen enough of Casey to know he is a guy who is set in his ways, unimaginative and does not take accountability. That is not who I want as the "head" of the Raptors.

Whoever the President is has autonomy over all Basketball decisions, that's the whole point of having someone in that role. If you want Bobby to have autonomy, promote him or leave the position vacant.

[Tha Cynic]

The biggest worry I had with this firing was who Rogers would turn to to help with basketball decisions. They know Casey lol. They turned to Casey by default because these are all puck heads who have no connections in the NBA. Welcome to the new reality.

They're not even puck heads. They don't know anything about anything. Ed can't even run his own business well. He's just lucky he inherited a business from his dad that operates in a government-protected duopoly.

I was being generous but yes, this is true.

[WuTang_CMB]

The biggest worry I had with this firing was who Rogers would turn to to help with basketball decisions. They know Casey lol. They turned to Casey by default because these are all puck heads who have no connections in the NBA. Welcome to the new reality.

Yup... for Grange to put Casey in the first list a month ago, means that Casey has fans within Rogers and made Pelley interview him. Bunch of morons.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/whats-next-for-raptors-after-major-shakeup/

[Tha Cynic]

I am truly **** pissed Casey is even consideration here.

Dude was such an overrated coach that hindered our team...remember?

Choosing to play and rely on Bargnani "come hell or high water" despite Bargs playing horrible. One time Casey blamed JV for Raptors losses and claimed he put Bargnani over JV to close out the game for "rebounding purposes."

He decided Calderon should be the starter ahead of Lowry despite Lowry being **** dominant before having injury issues.

He allowed Rudy Gay to ban stat sheets from the locker room despite Rudy being inefficient as ****.

Allowed Lou Williams to take every end of quarter shot despite how inefficient Lou was at that.

He played Carroll over Powell and Ross routinely despite Powell and Ross being obvious better options.

Refusing to move away from a 2 center line-up, routinely playing Ibaka and JV together.




Masai routinely saved Casey from himself and I was **** ecstatic when we fired him.

And do people **** realize how terrible he was as the Pistons head coach???????

20 wins, 20 wins, 23 wins, 17 wins before being fired.

I was already unhappy but now you’re making all the memories flood back.

Also remember to always focus on who the other team has when you lose, to the point where this is how your young player in Demar Derozan now explains Raptors failures. It’s because the other team had better players.

About to go from a guy who told us to believe in ourselves to a guy who told us it was okay to lose because the other side has better players.

[Tha Cynic]

Just so we're all clear: are you on the side of Casey being a good hire?

I'm on the side of I really don't care who the president is. Masai was a defacto GM playing "president", but anyone else is not gonna be like that. Is Casey A good hire? NO CLUE - because I, nor you, have any idea what the role would even consist of in entirety.

Just like no one cares that Clay Bennett is the President of OKC and not Sam Presti. Or Rich Gothan instead of Brad Stevens.

Some teams dont even have a "President". I just don't think this is gonna matter a whole ton.

Clay Bennet is not the ultimate basketball decision maker, he's a business guy and the team owner. Everyone gets caught up in titles but the question will be who is the ultimate decision maker? For the Raptors, it was Masai as the president and de facto GM. For Boston, it's Brad Stevens. Pelley came out and already stated he's hiring a President of Basketball ops since we are in the middle of a rebuild. Which means that person is not for business or glory, it's to have final say and will run the show... else wtf is all this for? Hire Dwane as team mascot for culture? Hiring him in any front office capacity is idiotic

So now even if they said, Dwane is President but Bobby runs the show... how dysfunctional is that? How long will that last? You either hire a "final decision maker" or you don't - whatever title you want to that person.

Bobby is going to walk if he has to answer to Casey. Rightfully so.

Casey always came off as egotistical guy who knows how to play to the crowd.

Remember how he said he was happy to go to an organization that has already won before when he got fired here?

Remember how he tried to go behind Masai’s back to his connections when he was getting fired?

I have zero confidence that this guy won’t consistently veto Bobby because he thinks he knows better.

[tanuki1031]

I'm on the side of I really don't care who the president is. Masai was a defacto GM playing "president", but anyone else is not gonna be like that. Is Casey A good hire? NO CLUE - because I, nor you, have any idea what the role would even consist of in entirety.

Just like no one cares that Clay Bennett is the President of OKC and not Sam Presti. Or Rich Gothan instead of Brad Stevens.

Some teams dont even have a "President". I just don't think this is gonna matter a whole ton.

Clay Bennet is not the ultimate basketball decision maker, he's a business guy and the team owner. Everyone gets caught up in titles but the question will be who is the ultimate decision maker? For the Raptors, it was Masai as the president and de facto GM. For Boston, it's Brad Stevens. Pelley came out and already stated he's hiring a President of Basketball ops since we are in the middle of a rebuild. Which means that person is not for business or glory, it's to have final say and will run the show... else wtf is all this for? Hire Dwane as team mascot for culture? Hiring him in any front office capacity is idiotic

So now even if they said, Dwane is President but Bobby runs the show... how dysfunctional is that? How long will that last? You either hire a "final decision maker" or you don't - whatever title you want to that person.

Bobby is going to walk if he has to answer to Casey. Rightfully so.

Casey always came off as egotistical guy who knows how to play to the crowd.

Remember how he said he was happy to go to an organization that has already won before when he got fired here?

Remember how he tried to go behind Masai’s back to his connections when he was getting fired?

I have zero confidence that this guy won’t consistently veto Bobby because he thinks he knows better.

He also sports his Mavs championship ring any time he goes to a media spot that's expected to be critical of him. His Aegis shield

I guarantee you Casey has a condition on his POBO offer that he gets to fire Bobby & co.

I want to further point out that my speculation is that Casey was going to get fired as Pistons HC but was allowed to "transition" into a FO position to save face. By this time he more likely than not already had the inside track for the Raptors POBO in the coming future and convinced the Pistons to let him hang around their FO and observe/learn as a win-win, Pistons don't look like they sacked a vet NBA figure and Casey isn't exposed as another sack.
The most important point of consideration, is that despite allowing Casey to transition to the Pistons FO he was never given an actual title, designation, or role, unlike Stevens who was removed from coaching and immediately re-assigned as POBO of the Celtics. Casey has been and remains an unspecified member of the Pistons FO for appearances only because DET didn't trust him in any capacity.

He's the perfect candidate for Ed & Pelley because Casey's a yes man and the job offer is one that allows him to exact his revenge on the crew who did him wrong. People who haven't caught on to the deeply rooted revenge angle see this nothing more than Ed continuing the run it back with recognizable former Raptors play.

Casey on the job and in 2027 we'll see Bobby & Dan replaced by Calderon (GM) and TJ Ford (AGM). Hobo Hurricane will probably be our lead international scout.

[ArthurVandelay]

Reading all these anti Dwane Casey posts and I feel we are experiencing a very rare moment in time where Raptors RealGM posters are all united.

[LoveMyRaps]

:clap:

Reading all these anti Dwane Casey posts and I feel we are experiencing a very rare moment in time where Raptors RealGM posters are all united.

There are still some Masai haters that are going to try to spin this Casey news as a positive.

[LoveMyRaps]

Casey is gonna blow this team up upon arrival. He's gonna sell low on all the pieces. A rebuild will commence immediately.

Zero chance he wants to be associated with any of Masai's acquisitions.

[Tha Cynic]

I want to get in the minds of everyone who wanted Masai fired and want to see what they thought would happen


All aboard the Magic School bus!