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[Chi town]

At least Poles got another contract and can pick his next QB only to get fired again one year later and have the next GM sabotage that next QBs career.

So you think Caleb is going to be a bust?

He's most likely going to have a Kyler Murray kind of impact/career. Relative to the expectations put on him, absolutely.

He was on the downturn in 2023, lost more confidence in 2024 (ten game losing streaks will do that to you) and there's warning signs that he currently lacks the work ethic of a high level NFL QB. They're trying to develop an entirely different play style for him which is going to be extremely hard to do if he's not obsessed with becoming better.

Personally I HOPE to be wrong, but there's gonna be alarm bells early and I don't see him to be the most resilient kid just yet. The fact that his camp went out of their way to trash the previous coaching staff isn't a good sign to me. Shut your mouth and focus on working on your skills to get better because as fast as they anointed him, they'll bury him just as fast.

I prefer **** your mouth and let your game do the talking.

I will say the coaching was so bad last year I ageee with everything Caleb’s camp has said but I wouldn’t be saying it in public.

It’s just great to finally have a leader as a HC that isnt afraid to actually coach guys up.

[Jimako10]

On the bright side, if Caleb does become a bust, the team is perfectly set up for another QB to come into a great setup....cough::::Tyson::::cough.

[Bulls69]

Man, give the kid a chance. Our base loves backups, especially Tyson, who had some NFL starts, and I was not impressed at all. Yet some in our base act like Tyson is the second coming of Peyton Manning.


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[biggestbullsfan]

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I was curious as to why the Bears are on the first MNF of the year. But now i know. And it’s not a coincidence

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Caleb will be a Bear after this season unless he fails to impress Ben Johnson as viable in his plans, and the Bears have another true option available (if Ben Johnson made the call). I don’t see the Bears not drafting a quarterback if Caleb struggled in general if they were in that spot. Incidentally, I do agree that Caleb has to be better than all of Stroud, Young, Daniels, Maye and McCarthy. Otherwise the Bears take the L.

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[Dresden]

K Fishbain tweet from 7min ago......Bears Luther Burden III is at practice and in full pads

I doubt he's a full-go but at least he's making progress.

Kiran is back at practice. Kramer, Shemar and Z Frazier are not.

Good to hear about Burden. He can't afford to miss any more time. And glad Kiran is ok.

[Dresden]

At least Poles got another contract and can pick his next QB only to get fired again one year later and have the next GM sabotage that next QBs career.

So you think Caleb is going to be a bust?

He's most likely going to have a Kyler Murray kind of impact/career. Relative to the expectations put on him, absolutely.

He was on the downturn in 2023, lost more confidence in 2024 (ten game losing streaks will do that to you) and there's warning signs that he currently lacks the work ethic of a high level NFL QB. They're trying to develop an entirely different play style for him which is going to be extremely hard to do if he's not obsessed with becoming better.

Personally I HOPE to be wrong, but there's gonna be alarm bells early and I don't see him to be the most resilient kid just yet. The fact that his camp went out of their way to trash the previous coaching staff isn't a good sign to me. Shut your mouth and focus on working on your skills to get better because as fast as they anointed him, they'll bury him just as fast.

In 2023, he had the best completion %, the best yards/attempt, the best adjusted yards gained per attempt, and the highest pass efficiency rating of his college career. So hard to say "he was on the downturn in 2023".

[Dresden]

Caleb will be a Bear after this season unless he fails to impress Ben Johnson as viable in his plans, and the Bears have another true option available (if Ben Johnson made the call). I don’t see the Bears not drafting a quarterback if Caleb struggled in general if they were in that spot. Incidentally, I do agree that Caleb has to be better than all of Stroud, Young, Daniels, Maye and McCarthy. Otherwise the Bears take the L.

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Why would they "take the L" if Caleb isn't better than ALL of those other QB's? Let's not forget, Poles didn't just get Caleb- he also got a starting WR1, a starting RT, a starting (for now) CB, and a likely starter at slot receiver. If Caleb turns into a 10 year starter and wins a Super Bowl, but Daniels has better overall stats, does that mean Poles was wrong? The decision of Caleb should be based on how well Caleb does for the Bears.

In general, some of you are setting expectations of what Poles has to do for you to give him any credit at all impossibly high, IMO.

[jnrjr79]

Caleb will be a Bear after this season unless he fails to impress Ben Johnson as viable in his plans, and the Bears have another true option available (if Ben Johnson made the call). I don’t see the Bears not drafting a quarterback if Caleb struggled in general if they were in that spot. Incidentally, I do agree that Caleb has to be better than all of Stroud, Young, Daniels, Maye and McCarthy. Otherwise the Bears take the L.

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Why would they "take the L" if Caleb isn't better than ALL of those other QB's? Let's not forget, Poles didn't just get Caleb- he also got a starting WR1, a starting RT, a starting (for now) CB, and a likely starter at slot receiver. If Caleb turns into a 10 year starter and wins a Super Bowl, but Daniels has better overall stats, does that mean Poles was wrong? The decision of Caleb should be based on how well Caleb does for the Bears.

In general, some of you are setting expectations of what Poles has to do for you to give him any credit at all impossibly high, IMO.

Yeah, I don’t think for the Caleb pick to be a success that it has to be “literally the best pick in his year in the draft.” If he’s a very good player and the Bears have team success, that’s good enough. Nobody would have ever said JJ McCarthy should be drafted over Caleb, so if it works out that JJ is better, that’s not a “take the L” situation. And, to your point, Stroud can’t on his own be an “L” since the Bears got more than Caleb for the pick that became Stroud. And Stroud regressed last year, anyway.

[dice]

Caleb has to be better than all of Stroud, Young, Daniels, Maye and McCarthy. Otherwise the Bears take the L.

caleb was the consensus top pick. washington would have taken him and if they say otherwise they're lying. if daniels ends up being better but both are excellent, that ain't a loss. same w/ all those other guys. context matters

caleb has to be really good. that's all. the most viable comparison point IMO is love right now based on current trajectories. and frankly, cutler may be the minimum bar to clear, although i said that for fields and caleb's expectations were/are higher. cutler was a pretty average starting QB here, but his O-lines were generally poor and the offense had little for him to work with at the beginning. 7 solid, healthy years but little team success was certainly not the expectation

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Guess it’s smart we didn’t sign him then

[Susan]

So you think Caleb is going to be a bust?

He's most likely going to have a Kyler Murray kind of impact/career. Relative to the expectations put on him, absolutely.

He was on the downturn in 2023, lost more confidence in 2024 (ten game losing streaks will do that to you) and there's warning signs that he currently lacks the work ethic of a high level NFL QB. They're trying to develop an entirely different play style for him which is going to be extremely hard to do if he's not obsessed with becoming better.

Personally I HOPE to be wrong, but there's gonna be alarm bells early and I don't see him to be the most resilient kid just yet. The fact that his camp went out of their way to trash the previous coaching staff isn't a good sign to me. Shut your mouth and focus on working on your skills to get better because as fast as they anointed him, they'll bury him just as fast.

I prefer **** your mouth and let your game do the talking.

I will say the coaching was so bad last year I ageee with everything Caleb’s camp has said but I wouldn’t be saying it in public.

It’s just great to finally have a leader as a HC that isnt afraid to actually coach guys up.

It was obvious that the interior of the OL and the coaching staff were major issues following the 2023 season.

Poles misjudged it and basically gave Caleb the same crap that he gave Justin and got worse results.

He's the one who has put this entire thing together and here's my worry:

1. Caleb is a wildly talented young QB
2. Ben Johnson is a wildly talented young HC
3. They might just be a terrible fit for one another

Goff had success at roughly the highest level in the NFL prior to getting to Detroit. Lots of it predicated on the running game and play action and Goff staying within the system. The talent at the RB position isn't here and the OL is a step short of that Lions OL which was a top 5 unit throughout BJ's time in Detroit.

So you think Caleb is going to be a bust?

He's most likely going to have a Kyler Murray kind of impact/career. Relative to the expectations put on him, absolutely.

He was on the downturn in 2023, lost more confidence in 2024 (ten game losing streaks will do that to you) and there's warning signs that he currently lacks the work ethic of a high level NFL QB. They're trying to develop an entirely different play style for him which is going to be extremely hard to do if he's not obsessed with becoming better.

Personally I HOPE to be wrong, but there's gonna be alarm bells early and I don't see him to be the most resilient kid just yet. The fact that his camp went out of their way to trash the previous coaching staff isn't a good sign to me. Shut your mouth and focus on working on your skills to get better because as fast as they anointed him, they'll bury him just as fast.

In 2023, he had the best completion %, the best yards/attempt, the best adjusted yards gained per attempt, and the highest pass efficiency rating of his college career. So hard to say "he was on the downturn in 2023".

First half of the year, he was better than what he was in 2022, second half (following the ND game) he was far less efficient and they lost 6 of his last 7 games.

[JohnnyTapwater]

Caleb had a great rookie year.

Pressure? LOL. Move on? Just cut it out.

The narrative around Caleb is so ridiculous. National media is shameless, and local media is no different. Fans have to be better at discernment.

[Susan]

Caleb had a great rookie year.

Pressure? LOL. Move on? Just cut it out.

The narrative around Caleb is so ridiculous. National media is shameless, and local media is no different. Fans have to be better at discernment.

They scored 17 first quarter points ALL YEAR.

He was playing from behind a ton and moved the ball well when the defense is in prevent but when the defense was actually was keyed in on him - he was largely ineffective.

I was at the Seahawks game, I watched every game. They got blown out by the Patriots, at home. They beat the Cardinals handily in the second half of 2023 and got blown out last year.

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Braxtons left leg looks soooo skinny. I don’t think he’s starting for us. He needs way more time on recovery. But he’d probably be great as our swing tackle.

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The quarterbacky stuff is coming along. Next: Execution

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Braxtons left leg looks soooo skinny. I don’t think he’s starting for us. He needs way more time on recovery. But he’d probably be great as our swing tackle.

He’s gonna get bull rushed even moreso

[Dresden]

He's most likely going to have a Kyler Murray kind of impact/career. Relative to the expectations put on him, absolutely.

He was on the downturn in 2023, lost more confidence in 2024 (ten game losing streaks will do that to you) and there's warning signs that he currently lacks the work ethic of a high level NFL QB. They're trying to develop an entirely different play style for him which is going to be extremely hard to do if he's not obsessed with becoming better.

Personally I HOPE to be wrong, but there's gonna be alarm bells early and I don't see him to be the most resilient kid just yet. The fact that his camp went out of their way to trash the previous coaching staff isn't a good sign to me. Shut your mouth and focus on working on your skills to get better because as fast as they anointed him, they'll bury him just as fast.

I prefer **** your mouth and let your game do the talking.

I will say the coaching was so bad last year I ageee with everything Caleb’s camp has said but I wouldn’t be saying it in public.

It’s just great to finally have a leader as a HC that isnt afraid to actually coach guys up.

It was obvious that the interior of the OL and the coaching staff were major issues following the 2023 season.

Poles misjudged it and basically gave Caleb the same crap that he gave Justin and got worse results.

He's the one who has put this entire thing together and here's my worry:

1. Caleb is a wildly talented young QB
2. Ben Johnson is a wildly talented young HC
3. They might just be a terrible fit for one another

Goff had success at roughly the highest level in the NFL prior to getting to Detroit. Lots of it predicated on the running game and play action and Goff staying within the system. The talent at the RB position isn't here and the OL is a step short of that Lions OL which was a top 5 unit throughout BJ's time in Detroit.

He's most likely going to have a Kyler Murray kind of impact/career. Relative to the expectations put on him, absolutely.

He was on the downturn in 2023, lost more confidence in 2024 (ten game losing streaks will do that to you) and there's warning signs that he currently lacks the work ethic of a high level NFL QB. They're trying to develop an entirely different play style for him which is going to be extremely hard to do if he's not obsessed with becoming better.

Personally I HOPE to be wrong, but there's gonna be alarm bells early and I don't see him to be the most resilient kid just yet. The fact that his camp went out of their way to trash the previous coaching staff isn't a good sign to me. Shut your mouth and focus on working on your skills to get better because as fast as they anointed him, they'll bury him just as fast.

In 2023, he had the best completion %, the best yards/attempt, the best adjusted yards gained per attempt, and the highest pass efficiency rating of his college career. So hard to say "he was on the downturn in 2023".

First half of the year, he was better than what he was in 2022, second half (following the ND game) he was far less efficient and they lost 6 of his last 7 games.

Their schedule was noticeably harder in the second half of '23, and the defense gave up an average of 42 ppg in their last 7 games. That might have something to do with why they lost 6 of 7.

[Bulls69]

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Caleb reported to have officially caught up to Ben’s installs today

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