Simons to Brooklyn, Mann to Dallas, bad idea

[jayjaysee]

I liked it. I do not think anyone is owed, but you can throw in 1-2 seconds from any team to any team?

Dallas: Martin, Hardy, Powell
Dallas: Mann

Trims 2 roster spots and 4 million while getting a useful enough two way wing. Exum and a big unless the team wants to go with Ryan.

Boston: Simons
Boston: Martin

Boston trims 18 million dollars and gets a hopefully bounce back 3/d rotation wing. Trim the last few million under tax midseason.

Brooklyn: Mann
Brooklyn: Simons, Powell, Hardy

Even if they have to buy out Hardy and Powell, they get clear 9 mil from Mann’s second year and the entire third year in years they hope cap space will actually matter. No idea how much cap space Brooklyn still has, but they should still be close to this amount, or use the room ex for either Hardy or Powell if needed.

[oldncreaky]

Quick reaction without diving into the salary cap details for each team

Dallas: sure, why not

Boston: maybe I am too harsh on SImons, but I think BOS needs to offer up something worthwhile to move him

Brooklyn: it may or may not be bad on value, but I just don't see the point

IMO it needs at least a couple of SRPs from BOS to BKN to fix it, and I'm open to arguments from Brooklyn fans that they just aren't interested.

[brackdan70]

I think it’s probably fair.
From the Boston perspective it comes down to is it worth it to get under the tax this year at the cost of adding the future salary and reducing flexibility for 26/27 and 27/28.
IDK, maybe it is.
I personally want to see what Simons can do here and part of me thinks he could be a long term piece.

[jayjaysee]

Brooklyn: it may or may not be bad on value, but I just don't see the point

IMO it needs at least a couple of SRPs from BOS to BKN to fix it, and I'm open to arguments from Brooklyn fans that they just aren't interested.

I can understand a couple seconds, but I think given Brooklyn’s situation (one tank season followed by pick debt) - gaining 9 mil in cap space next summer and 15 the following is a huge benefit.

[brackdan70]

Quick reaction without diving into the salary cap details for each team

Dallas: sure, why not

Boston: maybe I am too harsh on SImons, but I think BOS needs to offer up something worthwhile to move him

Brooklyn: it may or may not be bad on value, but I just don't see the point

IMO it needs at least a couple of SRPs from BOS to BKN to fix it, and I'm open to arguments from Brooklyn fans that they just aren't interested.

Boston is actually adding more total $$ in this case. I think if there is picks needed Boston would pass.
Brooklyn received the 18th pick last year for taking on Mann. Fair point about why for Brooklyn through. There seems to be little reason to do it.

[oldncreaky]

Quick reaction without diving into the salary cap details for each team

Dallas: sure, why not

Boston: maybe I am too harsh on SImons, but I think BOS needs to offer up something worthwhile to move him

Brooklyn: it may or may not be bad on value, but I just don't see the point

IMO it needs at least a couple of SRPs from BOS to BKN to fix it, and I'm open to arguments from Brooklyn fans that they just aren't interested.

Boston is actually adding more total $$ in this case. I think if there is picks needed Boston would pass.
Brooklyn received the 18th pick last year for taking on Mann. Fair point about why for Brooklyn through. There seems to be little reason to do it.

OK, good points. The perils of commenting before looking at the details . . .

So I went and looked at a multi-year view of Brooklyn's cap sheet. If I'm reading it right, with pending transactions (for ZWilliams and Sharpe) they still need to spend about $15M to get to the min salary threshold; they have one regular roster spot open; they still have a cap hold for Cam Thomas.

Therefore, Brooklyn either needs to do a trade that adds $15M in salary, or they need to sign Thomas. They don't need to do both, so this trade makes sense if they move on from Thomas

[jayjaysee]

Quick reaction without diving into the salary cap details for each team

Dallas: sure, why not

Boston: maybe I am too harsh on SImons, but I think BOS needs to offer up something worthwhile to move him

Brooklyn: it may or may not be bad on value, but I just don't see the point

IMO it needs at least a couple of SRPs from BOS to BKN to fix it, and I'm open to arguments from Brooklyn fans that they just aren't interested.

Boston is actually adding more total $$ in this case. I think if there is picks needed Boston would pass.
Brooklyn received the 18th pick last year for taking on Mann. Fair point about why for Brooklyn through. There seems to be little reason to do it.

You’re saying 1.5ish extra of total salary over 3 years?

What about 70~ million dollars in tax saved this season? That seems a little reason to do it.

It is like a stretch waive of Simons that can be aggregated later and play 20+ minutes per game a night..

And I really don’t even know if Martin should be seen as a lock to opt into his 9.3 mil player option. If he’s healthy and playing like he does, I kind of see him opting out at 32 years old and trying to get a long term deal. Feels much more of a coin flip than some have it, a year ago he was seen as a bargain signing.

[Mavrelous]

Mavs owe 1-2 2nds IMO, Celtics also, but I like it for all teams.

[Darren]

Terrance Mann has been solid players as a Clippers but is considered overpaid since leaving. The Mavs has not traded any part of the rotation. I think value-wise, it's great despite Mann being overpaid. Mann can actually complete for the starting 2 role with Klay. In case, the Mavs opts for a shooter. The only downside is that this trades take minutes away from Max Christie. But I like this 3 for 1 idea to retain Kai Jones as well. And the Mavs rotation is pretty much set.

[daoneandonly]

Mavs owe 1-2 2nds IMO, Celtics also, but I like it for all teams.

DIsagree, Dallas is taking on more salary in money and years, Mann is not that good. Think the deal as is, is right

[penbeast0]

And that's what we call a very positive reception to a well designed trade proposal, ie. no one hates it. Congratulations.

[tcheco]

No issue with this at all, Boston does great in savings which they would be happy to pay a second for it, even if Simons does have upside for Brooklyn to get over keeping Mann, although the Nets drafted Egor and Traore and will have Cam Thomas with the team already at the 2, theres still minutes for everyone probably.

[hugepatsfan]

Well thought out idea. I think BRK sees value in turning Mann's 3 year deal into mostly expiring money. BOS gets the current year savings and positional swap for roster balance value here at the cost of taking on multi year money they can afford. DAL turns non rotation pieces into a rotation player without really taking on much long term salary factoring in the outgoing money.

I feel like BOS might need to take back Hardy to balance this, and that's ok IMO.

Pritchard / Hardy
White / Hugo Gonzalez (1st round pick)
Brown / Scheierman (last year's 1st rounder)
Martin / Niang or Hauser (other one dealt to duck the tax)
Queta / Garza / Tillman

Obviously not great without a real center and Tatum out, but that's an ok tank roster for getting their younger guys some playing time off the bench in a reset year. Next year they have a good deal of payroll room below the tax and Tatum will be back so they can find a big man solution.

[Michaellam1987]

DAL would rather keep what they have, instead of increase further salary commitment, without any incentives coming in

[vxmike]

Good trade. BKN could try to build up Simons’ value and flip him to someone who needs shooting mid-year.

[QMemphis]

Nets likely want to give their rookies more rein to handle the ball. Three of whom are rookies and adding another ball dominant scoring guard may not be the best option. Simons and Cam Thomas is not the guys you want getting majority of the usage if you are trying to develop 5 rookies (3 who need the ball to be effective).

[bgrep14]

Just trade Simons to Portland for Timelord and Rupert. Better than whatever MLE guy Portland is going to sign and it's not like they need Timelord. Both teams stay under the tax and get their vets back.

[brackdan70]

Just trade Simons to Portland for Timelord and Rupert. Better than whatever MLE guy Portland is going to sign and it's not like they need Timelord. Both teams stay under the tax and get their vets back.

Portland can’t trade for Simons until the 26/27 season ( July 1, 2026)

[ecuhus1981]

I don’t mind it for Brooklyn, but FYI the Nets probably would not do something like this.

Mann is the PoA defender they have been seeking to pair next to Thomas. Also, the team has made a point to highlight the fact that Terance is from Brooklyn, he's not core but they won't move him cheaply like this.