Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

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Love the Bulls hypothetical in the article-even subtracting the unlikely pick package

"The other interesting wrinkle pertaining to the Bulls and Kuminga is whether they would truly want him."

You'd think some level of confirmed interest would be the starting point of a hypothetical like this

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Love the Bulls hypothetical in the article-even subtracting the unlikely pick package

"The other interesting wrinkle pertaining to the Bulls and Kuminga is whether they would truly want him."

You'd think some level of confirmed interest would be the starting point of a hypothetical like this

Dude is just baiting for clicks.

[AirP.]

From the Marc Stein Substack...

Word is that the Warriors' best offers to Kuminga have topped out in the two-year $40 million range. Kuminga's camp has continued to seek out sign-and-trade opportunities, with Sacramento and Phoenix still regarded as the most determined suitors, but Golden State is said to want a first-round pick in any sign-and-trade deal. The Suns do not have an available first-round pick to offer.

https://marcstein.substack.com/p/monday-best-the-latest-hottest-and

[Crazy-Canuck]

From the Marc Stein Substack...

Word is that the Warriors' best offers to Kuminga have topped out in the two-year $40 million range. Kuminga's camp has continued to seek out sign-and-trade opportunities, with Sacramento and Phoenix still regarded as the most determined suitors, but Golden State is said to want a first-round pick in any sign-and-trade deal. The Suns do not have an available first-round pick to offer.

https://marcstein.substack.com/p/monday-best-the-latest-hottest-and

2/40? And that's the most money kumingas been offered this off season by any team?

[whatisacenter]

From the Marc Stein Substack...

Word is that the Warriors' best offers to Kuminga have topped out in the two-year $40 million range. Kuminga's camp has continued to seek out sign-and-trade opportunities, with Sacramento and Phoenix still regarded as the most determined suitors, but Golden State is said to want a first-round pick in any sign-and-trade deal. The Suns do not have an available first-round pick to offer.

https://marcstein.substack.com/p/monday-best-the-latest-hottest-and

2/40? And that's the most money kumingas been offered this off season by any team?

It's hard to take these reports too seriously.

Everyone thought JK turned down 5yr/30M last season based on a Slater piece only to have him walk it back or clarify that was the number JK was after at the time.

[AirP.]

From the Marc Stein Substack...


https://marcstein.substack.com/p/monday-best-the-latest-hottest-and

2/40? And that's the most money kumingas been offered this off season by any team?

It's hard to take these reports too seriously.

Everyone thought JK turned down 5yr/30M last season based on a Slater piece only to have him walk it back or clarify that was the number JK was after at the time.

GS has the leverage, even if Kuminga finds a team to be traded to, GS still has to be willing to trade him. The worst possible situation would be Kuminga on the QO and having basically the same role as last year after Butler was brought in... losing ~11 million next year (if it's a 20 million over 2 years) meaning he'd have to sign on the open market for at least 31 million in 26-27 just to break even in those 2 years.

If this is what has been floated out there to Kuminga, it's a nice safe number and with it being 2 years, if GS wants to try to retain him, Curry, Butler and Draymond's contracts all end and they'll have a lot of money they can throw at Kuminga and stay under the tax.

[statsman]

2/40? And that's the most money kumingas been offered this off season by any team?

It's hard to take these reports too seriously.

Everyone thought JK turned down 5yr/30M last season based on a Slater piece only to have him walk it back or clarify that was the number JK was after at the time.

JK was asking for $30M per last offseason? Nearly every report indicated that JK's camp was asking for the max or near-max.

His max (25% of cap) this season would have started at $38.66M. That's 5/224 ($45M per). Yeah, no one was doing that, including the Warriors.

Alright, let's go with a near-max. Drop everything by about 10%. That starts at $34.8M, or 5/202 ($40M per). Still not happening for the Warriors or anyone else.

Okay, let's go with 20% less than the max. That starts at $30.9M, or 5/179 ($36M per). Would JK's camp have dropped this low last offseason after requesting a "max or near-max" contract?

BTW, for the Warriors to have offered (in discussions) a 5/150 deal, the starting amount would have been $25.86M, and the contract would have been 1/3rd less than a max contract. Based on all we know, I seriously doubt Kuminga's camp came down that far from their max/near-max stance.

So, it wouldn't surprise me if the Warriors' best offer was below 5/150 by a fair amount, and the Kuminga camp's final counter was above 5/150 by a fair amount.

No one is telling the truth right now. Not Kuminga's camp. Not the Warriors.

[Crazy-Canuck]

2/40? And that's the most money kumingas been offered this off season by any team?

It's hard to take these reports too seriously.

Everyone thought JK turned down 5yr/30M last season based on a Slater piece only to have him walk it back or clarify that was the number JK was after at the time.

JK was asking for $30M per last offseason? Nearly every report indicated that JK's camp was asking for the max or near-max.

His max (25% of cap) this season would have started at $38.66M. That's 5/224 ($45M per). Yeah, no one was doing that, including the Warriors.

Alright, let's go with a near-max. Drop everything by about 10%. That starts at $34.8M, or 5/202 ($40M per). Still not happening for the Warriors or anyone else.

Okay, let's go with 20% less than the max. That starts at $30.9M, or 5/179 ($36M per). Would JK's camp have dropped this low last offseason after requesting a "max or near-max" contract?

BTW, for the Warriors to have offered (in discussions) a 5/150 deal, the starting amount would have been $25.86M, and the contract would have been 1/3rd less than a max contract. Based on all we know, I seriously doubt Kuminga's camp came down that far from their max/near-max stance.

So, it wouldn't surprise me if the Warriors' best offer was below 5/150 by a fair amount, and the Kuminga camp's final counter was above 5/150 by a fair amount.

No one is telling the truth right now. Not Kuminga's camp. Not the Warriors.

Don't know if it's asking price or it's the minimum. According to slater, his salary barometer was jalen johnson. I don't think it would surprise anyone if kuminga and his camp believe they deserved more than johnson.

Giddeys camp is looking at Suggs extension as their bar.

Cam Thomas is in a different tier of delusional.

White the rumours may not be 100% true, there privacy is some semblance of truth in some of these reports.

[AirP.]

From the Marc Stein Substack...

Word is that the Warriors' best offers to Kuminga have topped out in the two-year $40 million range. Kuminga's camp has continued to seek out sign-and-trade opportunities, with Sacramento and Phoenix still regarded as the most determined suitors, but Golden State is said to want a first-round pick in any sign-and-trade deal. The Suns do not have an available first-round pick to offer.

https://marcstein.substack.com/p/monday-best-the-latest-hottest-and

2/40? And that's the most money kumingas been offered this off season by any team?

The rule is, for an RFA, a team hast to give an UFA an offer it has to be 2+ years in length. Nearly all but Brooklyn (not sure how much they have available) aren't able to offer more than the MLE without a S&T. If Kuminga is going to accept an offer from another team he needs to make sure it's something GS wouldn't match so he's not stuck in GS as they continue to try to win with Curry for the next year or 2.

** edited 3+ to 2+ years for length of contract.

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[Twinkie defense]

Warriors won a lot after the Butler trade and while Kuminga was still injured.

So one might conclude that they don't "need" him.

Yet that stretch, the schedule was favorable and the team was making a big push so not too many off or easy games for Curry, Butler and Green.

Was that form sustainable?

We shall see.

Team needs as many players who get get buckets because after Curry, it's not a sure thing, even for Butler.

In the playoffs, when Kuminga sat the Warriors won. And when he played they lost

Or, when Steph was healthy, they won, when Steph and JB were healthy, they were destroying teams. Not sure how JK is the one driving the winning by sitting or the losing by playing w/o Steph and a highly compromised JB.

Warriors were missing a lot of guys in the Houston series, and won one vs. Minny when Steph went out early

[Twinkie defense]

Warriors won a lot after the Butler trade and while Kuminga was still injured.

So one might conclude that they don't "need" him.

Yet that stretch, the schedule was favorable and the team was making a big push so not too many off or easy games for Curry, Butler and Green.

Was that form sustainable?

We shall see.

Team needs as many players who get get buckets because after Curry, it's not a sure thing, even for Butler.

In the playoffs, when Kuminga sat the Warriors won. And when he played they lost

Who wasn't playing when JK finally got minutes?

Kuminga can't play with Steph, so get used to it!

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The rule is, for an RFA, a team hast to give an UFA an offer it has to be 3+ years in length.

Actually, for an RFA, the contract has to be at least two years (not including any Option Year.)

[CS707]

It’s interesting to me that the front office is so adamant about getting a first round pick over useable players. Makes me think they either have a subsequent trade they think they can make with that pick or just don’t really want to trade him in the first place.

[statsman]

The rule is, for an RFA, a team hast to give an UFA an offer it has to be 3+ years in length.

Actually, for an RFA, the contract has to be at least two years (not including any Option Year.)

I believe the three year minimum rule applies if the player's current team also submitted a maximum qualifying offer, which is for five years, at maximum for the player, 8% raises, all guaranteed with no options or bonuses.

If the player chooses not to sign that maximum qualifying offer, then the other teams must submit an offer sheet with at least three years guaranteed. I am not sure why the other teams would do this if the current team would just match it based on the maximum qualifying offer. I am missing some detail with respect to the maximum qualifying offer.

[statsman]

It’s interesting to me that the front office is so adamant about getting a first round pick over useable players. Makes me think they either have a subsequent trade they think they can make with that pick or just don’t really want to trade him in the first place.

I would think it's the return value. The BYC value really limits a trade unless additional players and/or teams are added to the trade.

Also, the change in the apron rules in the 2023 CBA just crippled trades for some teams over the cap. Take back one more dollar than you send out in a trade, and your team is hard capped at the 1st apron. I'm betting this is making it difficult for the Warriors to agree to any S&T.

[azwfan]

It’s interesting to me that the front office is so adamant about getting a first round pick over useable players. Makes me think they either have a subsequent trade they think they can make with that pick or just don’t really want to trade him in the first place.

Im going to choose not to believe any of these reports until jk is either signed or sign and traded. Sourced material is all posturing and the rest of it is clickbait.

[vvoland]

2/40? And that's the most money kumingas been offered this off season by any team?

It's hard to take these reports too seriously.

Everyone thought JK turned down 5yr/30M last season based on a Slater piece only to have him walk it back or clarify that was the number JK was after at the time.

JK was asking for $30M per last offseason? Nearly every report indicated that JK's camp was asking for the max or near-max.

His max (25% of cap) this season would have started at $38.66M. That's 5/224 ($45M per). Yeah, no one was doing that, including the Warriors.

Alright, let's go with a near-max. Drop everything by about 10%. That starts at $34.8M, or 5/202 ($40M per). Still not happening for the Warriors or anyone else.

Okay, let's go with 20% less than the max. That starts at $30.9M, or 5/179 ($36M per). Would JK's camp have dropped this low last offseason after requesting a "max or near-max" contract?

BTW, for the Warriors to have offered (in discussions) a 5/150 deal, the starting amount would have been $25.86M, and the contract would have been 1/3rd less than a max contract. Based on all we know, I seriously doubt Kuminga's camp came down that far from their max/near-max stance.

So, it wouldn't surprise me if the Warriors' best offer was below 5/150 by a fair amount, and the Kuminga camp's final counter was above 5/150 by a fair amount.

No one is telling the truth right now. Not Kuminga's camp. Not the Warriors.

I didn't see anything close to that being reported. If you can find something like that, I'll stand corrected. What I remember is the 5/150 number that was reported as something he rejected. We learned last week that it was the number the JK side kicked off negotiations with. I took that to mean they'd sign for less, if that was their opening offer. Using Jalen Johnson as a comp makes a lot of sense for JK, especially last summer.

Slater has reported, in his first week with his new employer, that the warriors didn't offer anything as they were more worried about staying flexible and byc issues that they did about resigning JK.

I can see if you don't believe that but, to me, it's the most obvious and logical version of last summer's contract talks, with both extension eligible youngsters. I'm sure they would have loved to sign jk to a moody-like contract. Small enough where the byc stuff isn't a problem, almost certain to be great value, and keeps the player bought in. In moody's case, that was 3/39. For jk, there was no such middle ground.

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I believe the three year minimum rule applies if the player's current team also submitted a maximum qualifying offer, which is for five years, at maximum for the player, 8% raises, all guaranteed with no options or bonuses.

All true, but since it obviously doesn't apply to JK I didn't bother to spell it out.

[Twinkie defense]

Lacob gets more realistic about his demands, which, if reports are to be believed, include a good, immediately useful rotation player AND a first round pick.

First round pick is not a big deal, we're not talking Cooper Flagg here. Kuminga is not worth a non-lotto, second half of the draft pick? If not, Warriors should just keep him as trade ballast and a guy who can score some points in case of emergency.