Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning

[Domejandro]

With peace and love, those offers are unbelievably awful for Philadelphia.

[Norseman79]

Rank pgs...just for fun and if you think they are actually attainable, put a * next to them.

1. SGA
2. Hali
3. Cunningham
4. Brunson
5. Morant
6. Vanvleet
7. Young
8. Maxey
9. Fox
10. Murray (Denver)
11. Murray (NO)
12. Garland
13. Ball
14. Kyrie


I am sure I spaced out and left people off, after that it seems like it nose dives to young guys (unproven), old old guys (crafty vets), or plain old avg guys.

[Devilzsidewalk]

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Devin Carter would be a W get, I wonder what they'd want in return

[frankenwolf]

Here's a doozy:

Atl IN: Rudy, RD, Da Silva, and Miller
OUT: Young, '26 FRP (via SAS), future SRP

ORL IN: DDV and future SRP
OUT: BogaBit and Da Silva

MN IN: Young, Bogabit, and '26 FRP (SAS)
OUT: Rudy, DDV, RD, and Miller

Young/Mike
Ant/TSJ/Clark
Jaden/TSJ
Randle/Naz
Bogabit/JB

No
Nope
Negative
Nyet

Any feedback as to why?

In my opinion, this does not make us better right now. It may later, but that is not guaranteed. I would prefer to roll with this current group.

[frankenwolf]

Sorry folks, I just visit on occasion, so asking me to respond is sometimes a 48 + hour wait.
Thanks KG for covering!

[KGdaBom]

Sorry folks, I just visit on occasion, so asking me to respond is sometimes a 48 + hour wait.
Thanks KG for covering!

Anything for you.

[Wolveswin]

For those who like Suggs next to Edwards but not Ball…

To Magic: Ball/DDV

To Pistons: Randle/Bitadze

To Hornets: Dilly/Duren/Tobias/Pistons 1st/Wolves 2nds

To Wolves: Suggs/G.Williams

Gobert/Reid/Beringer
Reid/Grant
McDaniels/Edwards/Miller
Edwards/Suggs/Shannon
Suggs/Conley

[KGdaBom]

For those who like Suggs next to Edwards but not Ball…

To Magic: Ball/DDV

To Pistons: Randle/Bitadze

To Hornets: Dilly/Duren/Tobias/Pistons 1st/Wolves 2nds

To Wolves: Suggs/G.Williams

Gobert/Reid/Beringer
Reid/Grant
McDaniels/Edwards/Miller
Edwards/Suggs/Shannon
Suggs/Conley

NO. Randle and DDV for Suggs and Williams???

[Neeva]

I like Maxey and wanted him at 16 badly in that draft but he’s now overrated, same as Fox these are PGs who’s play will fall off a cliff in their late twenties.

[shangrila]

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Devin Carter would be a W get, I wonder what they'd want in return

Agreed. I'd give up a future 1st for him, although I'm not sure what they're looking for either. I assume it's value+salary relief?

[cmoss84]

With peace and love, those offers are unbelievably awful for Philadelphia.

You seem to have really good takes...I'd love to hear some of your ideas?

[cmoss84]

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Devin Carter would be a W get, I wonder what they'd want in return

Agreed. I'd give up a future 1st for him, although I'm not sure what they're looking for either. I assume it's value+salary relief?

I know nothing about him other than his faja is Anthony. Why you guys like him? He seems to not be able to shoot worth a lick.

[cmoss84]

Rank pgs...just for fun and if you think they are actually attainable, put a * next to them.

1. SGA
2. Hali
3. Cunningham
4. Brunson
5. Morant
6. Vanvleet
7. Young
8. Maxey
9. Fox
10. Murray (Denver)
11. Murray (NO)
12. Garland
13. Ball
14. Kyrie


I am sure I spaced out and left people off, after that it seems like it nose dives to young guys (unproven), old old guys (crafty vets), or plain old avg guys.

I'll play.
I have Cade #1
Cade, SGA, and Haliburton are untouchable...4-8 (however you rank them) would cost us Jaden. Everyone else is within reach of any combination of Rudy/Randle/DDV/RD. I don't think we trade Naz, unless it's first a star. But Naz and Julius cannot be traded until 12.15.

[Note30]

Jamal Murray and Fox are probably the only gettable players

[Domejandro]

With peace and love, those offers are unbelievably awful for Philadelphia.

You seem to have really good takes...I'd love to hear some of your ideas?

I will be honest with you, I have absolutely zero solution for fixing Minnesota's Point Guard problem.

[FrenchMinnyFan]

Lots of teams would like to have the problems that we have, making 2 WCF in a row, getting plenty of young players improving, getting a future number 1, ANT. This year is our year, mark my words !

[KGdaBom]

Lots of teams would like to have the problems that we have, making 2 WCF in a row, getting plenty of young players improving, getting a future number 1, ANT. This year is our year, mark my words !

Your words are marked and I'm hopeful that you are correct.

[shrink]

Rank pgs...just for fun and if you think they are actually attainable, put a * next to them.

1. SGA
2. Hali
3. Cunningham
4. Brunson
5. Morant
6. Vanvleet
7. Young
8. Maxey
9. Fox
10. Murray (Denver)
11. Murray (NO)
12. Garland
13. Ball
14. Kyrie

I am sure I spaced out and left people off, after that it seems like it nose dives to young guys (unproven), old old guys (crafty vets), or plain old avg guys.

Good list, I think you could add Luka, Steph Curry, Lillard (next year) and Herro, who are de facto point guards. And this doesn’t include players like Jokic, when players at other positions act as offensive hubs - the role PGs used to have exclusively. It is my hope that Ant can become a better creator for others, decreasing our need for a true, star, point guard.

Positions of talent change over time, and we are really in an era where there are several dominant point guards. An average (15th best) point guard is still a star.

Economically, this means the market is saturated with point guards. Want to trade one? You may be trading a star, but most teams aren’t buyers - they already have one. This should lower the price to add a star player, and simultaneously make the value of good players at positions with less star talent have more trade value (like PF Randle).

[Norseman79]

Rank pgs...just for fun and if you think they are actually attainable, put a * next to them.

1. SGA
2. Hali
3. Cunningham
4. Brunson
5. Morant
6. Vanvleet
7. Young
8. Maxey
9. Fox
10. Murray (Denver)
11. Murray (NO)
12. Garland
13. Ball
14. Kyrie

I am sure I spaced out and left people off, after that it seems like it nose dives to young guys (unproven), old old guys (crafty vets), or plain old avg guys.

Good list, I think you could add Luka, Steph Curry, Lillard (next year) and Herro, who are de facto point guards. And this doesn’t include players like Jokic, when players at other positions act as offensive hubs - the role PGs used to have exclusively. It is my hope that Ant can become a better creator for others, decreasing our need for a true, star, point guard.

Positions of talent change over time, and we are really in an era where there are several dominant point guards. An average (15th best) point guard is still a star.

Economically, this means the market is saturated with point guards. Want to trade one? You may be trading a star, but most teams aren’t buyers - they already have one. This should lower the price to add a star player, and simultaneously make the value of good players at positions with less star talent have more trade value (like PF Randle).

Yeah, Curry for sure...no idea how I forgot him.

I guess I don't see Luka or Joker as PG, though they initiate offense quite a bit.

Your point about market saturation makes sense, the problem is when the resources are valuable commodities, people aren't willing to give them up. As an example, we might identify 15 to 20 solid starting point guards, but why would a team give up arguably the most important position on the roster without getting a substantial upgrade back? I would also argue, I think point guard is probably one of the least saturated positions in the market. Center is probably the least saturated position, then point guard, I think wings (SG, SF, PF) are easily the most saturated.

[Wolveswin]

Jamal Murray and Fox are probably the only gettable players

I don’t think either of those two are gettable.