What does a Lauri to Detroit trade look like?

[cgf]

New CBA changes things. Sure Markkanen is borderline allstar (or was 23-24), but he did have a bad year. Now he is talked among the worst contracts in NBA. If you expect him to reach 22-23 level of production it is a risk worth taking. But if you open your eyes and check the players in Utah roster and what Utah tries to do next year (developing young ones) it is not hard to say Markkanen's numbers will go down even from his down year 24-25. And after two down seasons Markkanen's contract is no better than Beal's was.

How many first round picks would you be willing to give for Beal and his 50M$ contract. None, so getting even one first round pick for Markkanen is a win, because that first round pick might be able to help Utah when it matters most, meaning playoff time. I rather have a chance to get a playoff performer even if that is borderline starter than lock on player who won't play a single playoff game in organization.

Yeah, we’re just way off on calling you think Beals value was/is similar to Lauri. Utah is happy just to keep Lauri.

I am saying if Lauri has similar season than he did last year then in next summer we are talking about the worst contract in NBA and Beal had the worst contract in beginning of this season.

Why Lauri would have worst contract? Well, why did Lauri's numbers drop so much between 23-24 and 24-25? Utah started tanking and developing young players. Developing players usually in NBA means motion offense which mean no pre-defined plays. Lauri is bad motion player. He shines when teams play pre-defined plays. Everyone who watched his game last year knows it. It is not a secret. So if Lauri stays he's effectiveness will be as bad it was last year.

Also his amount of shots will drop. Because Utah's goal is to develop young players it would mean Bailey will take most shots next year. And because Keyonte is what he is he will probably take second most, so amount of shot to Lauri will drop. Utah's last year playing style killed Lauri's value and I don't understand why would second similar season refresh it? Utah's playing style killed Lauri's value previous season and playing style won't be changing, so why people think his value would somehow skyrocket?

Now we have unefficient 17 point scorer who earns annually 50M$, who would in their mind want that? You need to give first round pick to get rid of it, so I rather get a first round pick than give one away. Sure Utah can keep Lauri's contract until it ends, so they don't need to give that first round pick and he probably is good enough to keep on playing in Utah, so from Utah point of view they just lose the picks they would have gotten this year.

I understand the idea of keeping Lauri and hoping his value would increase, but that ain't happening unless Utah as a team put effort on it and because they concern is to build winning team for next decade Lauri's trading value is not their primary concern. So each incoming year Utah keep killing Lauri's value and I personally believe first round pick is more valuable for Utah than nothing.

This is why I think it actually makes sense for both teams if Detroit can keep Cade, Ausar, Ivey, Duren, Stewart and all of their post 2026 picks for a future blockbuster.

If Lauri bounces back for the Jazz, then the price becomes too steep for him to be the intermediate move I think Detroit needs. If he doesn’t then Utah would be lucky to get a prospect like Holland, forget the unprotected pick. If the Pistons regress that could hurt the value of their kids next summer…making moves more expensive…and hamper their development moving forward.

So both teams could gamble on sitting tight, but I think it makes sense for them to hedge their risks by making a more modest priced Lauri trade. Detroit sets their kids up too take a meaningful step into the east’s elite with the Knicks, Cavs, & Magic; Utah gets an exciting wing prospect and a dice roll on Cade getting hurt again + Ivey failing.

But I am pretty confident that getting to finish what Cade & Ivey created for him, would have Lauri back to his allstar #s…which would validate that new contract and leave him as a nice piece to add to 4 FRPs if you can get a superstar to come to Detroit.

[Daddy 801]

Yeah, we’re just way off on calling you think Beals value was/is similar to Lauri. Utah is happy just to keep Lauri.

I am saying if Lauri has similar season than he did last year then in next summer we are talking about the worst contract in NBA and Beal had the worst contract in beginning of this season.

Why Lauri would have worst contract? Well, why did Lauri's numbers drop so much between 23-24 and 24-25? Utah started tanking and developing young players. Developing players usually in NBA means motion offense which mean no pre-defined plays. Lauri is bad motion player. He shines when teams play pre-defined plays. Everyone who watched his game last year knows it. It is not a secret. So if Lauri stays he's effectiveness will be as bad it was last year.

Also his amount of shots will drop. Because Utah's goal is to develop young players it would mean Bailey will take most shots next year. And because Keyonte is what he is he will probably take second most, so amount of shot to Lauri will drop. Utah's last year playing style killed Lauri's value and I don't understand why would second similar season refresh it? Utah's playing style killed Lauri's value previous season and playing style won't be changing, so why people think his value would somehow skyrocket?

Now we have unefficient 17 point scorer who earns annually 50M$, who would in their mind want that? You need to give first round pick to get rid of it, so I rather get a first round pick than give one away. Sure Utah can keep Lauri's contract until it ends, so they don't need to give that first round pick and he probably is good enough to keep on playing in Utah, so from Utah point of view they just lose the picks they would have gotten this year.

I understand the idea of keeping Lauri and hoping his value would increase, but that ain't happening unless Utah as a team put effort on it and because they concern is to build winning team for next decade Lauri's trading value is not their primary concern. So each incoming year Utah keep killing Lauri's value and I personally believe first round pick is more valuable for Utah than nothing.

This is why I think it actually makes sense for both teams if Detroit can keep Cade, Ausar, Ivey, Duren, Stewart and all of their post 2026 picks for a future blockbuster.

If Lauri bounces back for the Jazz, then the price becomes too steep for him to be the intermediate move I think Detroit needs. If he doesn’t then Utah would be lucky to get a prospect like Holland, forget the unprotected pick. If the Pistons regress that could hurt the value of their kids next summer…making moves more expensive…and hamper their development moving forward.

So both teams could gamble on sitting tight, but I think it makes sense for them to hedge their risks by making a more modest priced Lauri trade. Detroit sets their kids up too take a meaningful step into the east’s elite with the Knicks, Cavs, & Magic; Utah gets an exciting wing prospect and a dice roll on Cade getting hurt again + Ivey failing.

But I am pretty confident that getting to finish what Cade & Ivey created for him, would have Lauri back to his allstar #s…which would validate that new contract and leave him as a nice piece to add to 4 FRPs if you can get a superstar to come to Detroit.

If all Lauri can fetch is one unprotected Detroit pick (a good team in a weak east) I wouldn’t make the trade. Rather gamble on him returning to a point he gets more than that back. Detroits pick is going to be 15-30 range. Not worth it IMO.

[cgf]

I am saying if Lauri has similar season than he did last year then in next summer we are talking about the worst contract in NBA and Beal had the worst contract in beginning of this season.

Why Lauri would have worst contract? Well, why did Lauri's numbers drop so much between 23-24 and 24-25? Utah started tanking and developing young players. Developing players usually in NBA means motion offense which mean no pre-defined plays. Lauri is bad motion player. He shines when teams play pre-defined plays. Everyone who watched his game last year knows it. It is not a secret. So if Lauri stays he's effectiveness will be as bad it was last year.

Also his amount of shots will drop. Because Utah's goal is to develop young players it would mean Bailey will take most shots next year. And because Keyonte is what he is he will probably take second most, so amount of shot to Lauri will drop. Utah's last year playing style killed Lauri's value and I don't understand why would second similar season refresh it? Utah's playing style killed Lauri's value previous season and playing style won't be changing, so why people think his value would somehow skyrocket?

Now we have unefficient 17 point scorer who earns annually 50M$, who would in their mind want that? You need to give first round pick to get rid of it, so I rather get a first round pick than give one away. Sure Utah can keep Lauri's contract until it ends, so they don't need to give that first round pick and he probably is good enough to keep on playing in Utah, so from Utah point of view they just lose the picks they would have gotten this year.

I understand the idea of keeping Lauri and hoping his value would increase, but that ain't happening unless Utah as a team put effort on it and because they concern is to build winning team for next decade Lauri's trading value is not their primary concern. So each incoming year Utah keep killing Lauri's value and I personally believe first round pick is more valuable for Utah than nothing.

This is why I think it actually makes sense for both teams if Detroit can keep Cade, Ausar, Ivey, Duren, Stewart and all of their post 2026 picks for a future blockbuster.

If Lauri bounces back for the Jazz, then the price becomes too steep for him to be the intermediate move I think Detroit needs. If he doesn’t then Utah would be lucky to get a prospect like Holland, forget the unprotected pick. If the Pistons regress that could hurt the value of their kids next summer…making moves more expensive…and hamper their development moving forward.

So both teams could gamble on sitting tight, but I think it makes sense for them to hedge their risks by making a more modest priced Lauri trade. Detroit sets their kids up too take a meaningful step into the east’s elite with the Knicks, Cavs, & Magic; Utah gets an exciting wing prospect and a dice roll on Cade getting hurt again + Ivey failing.

But I am pretty confident that getting to finish what Cade & Ivey created for him, would have Lauri back to his allstar #s…which would validate that new contract and leave him as a nice piece to add to 4 FRPs if you can get a superstar to come to Detroit.

If all Lauri can fetch is one unprotected Detroit pick (a good team in a weak east) I wouldn’t make the trade. Rather gamble on him returning to a point he gets more than that back. Detroits pick is going to be 15-30 range. Not worth it IMO.

We clearly disagree on Holland. I’m not a pistons fan, but I rate their young wings quite a bit and think either one would make a strong centerpiece for a 2nd/3rd option.

The pick may not be juicy unless Cade gets hurt, but the prospect is to my eye. So it depends on how your scouts rate Holland, if they share your view then sure, but if they see him how I do or how Detroit fans do, it feels more than reasonable.