Lauri to Phoenix, Brooks to the Lakers

[babyjax13]

This was workshopped in the rumors/thoughts thread, thanks! I like the results well enough, though I think every team has some reasons not to do it as well as to consider it.

PHX trades: Jalen Green, Dillon Brooks, 2027 PHX/MIN/UTA 1st (worst), 2032 PHX 1st (swap, UTA receives higher of UTA/PHX 1st, PHX receives lower)
in: Lauri Markkanen

Phoenix gets a second option for Booker. Booker - Allen - O'neale - Lauri - Williams.

UTA trades: Lauri Markkanen, 2027 LAL 1st (1-4 protected)
in: Jalen Green, Gabe Vincent, Maxi Kleber, Adou Thiero, 2027 PHX/MIN/UTA 1st (worst), 2032 PHX 1st (swap, UTA receives higher of UTA/PHX 1st, PHX receives lower), 2026 LAL 1st

Utah gets a high-value swap in 2032, swaps their 2027 LAL 1st for a 2026 LAL 1st, returns the lowest of MIN/CLE/UTA 1sts in 2027, and adds a prospect I like in Thiero. They also save some money long-term and get a look at Green (if it does not work out his contract expires after 2027-28).

LAL trades: Gabe Vincent, Maxi Kleber, Adou Thiero, 2026 LAL 1st
in: Dillon Brooks, 2027 LAL 1st (1-4 protected)

LAL gets another POA defender and a bit of tertiary offense around Reaves/Luka/LeBron. Reaves - Brooks - Luka - LeBron - Ayton. This also frees up their picks, after the 2026 draft because they won't have an owed pick in 2027 they are free to trade firsts in 2027/31/33 and swaps in 2028/30/32.

[Godaddycurse]

Dont think Brooks is worth an early 2nd, unprotecting a pick and a swap that is likely to convey. Maybe 2/3 but not all 3

[Daddy 801]

Putting aside value. Wouldn’t so many players coming back to Utah be an issue.

[babyjax13]

Putting aside value. Wouldn’t so many players coming back to Utah be an issue.

I have no problems cutting as many players as it takes.

[Daddy 801]

Putting aside value. Wouldn’t so many players coming back to Utah be an issue.

I have no problems cutting as many players as it takes.

I mean so do I. But I wonder if Ainge Jr feels the same way.

[babyjax13]

Dont think Brooks is worth an early 2nd, unprotecting a pick and a swap that is likely to convey. Maybe 2/3 but not all 3

That seems pretty reasonable to me that it should be 2 of the 3. I would prefer Thiero, other people may prefer the swap. I'll take out the swap!

[Mavrelous]

Dont think Brooks is worth an early 2nd, unprotecting a pick and a swap that is likely to convey. Maybe 2/3 but not all 3

That seems pretty reasonable to me that it should be 2 of the 3. I would prefer Thiero, other people may prefer the swap. I'll take out the swap!

Would UTA keep the swap and replace Gabe with Vando? It balances Lakers roster better.

[babyjax13]

Dont think Brooks is worth an early 2nd, unprotecting a pick and a swap that is likely to convey. Maybe 2/3 but not all 3

That seems pretty reasonable to me that it should be 2 of the 3. I would prefer Thiero, other people may prefer the swap. I'll take out the swap!

Would UTA keep the swap and replace Gabe with Vando? It balances Lakers roster better.

Maybe? It obviously depends on how we feel about future money. I don't think I would since we have three picks in that draft after this trade. But, of course, if Luka misses time it could be a lottery pick, so I could be talked into the upside being worth it.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Seem like jazz over valuing Adou Thiero in the trade math. Sure from lakers side

[SkyHook]

This was workshopped in the rumors/thoughts thread, thanks! I like the results well enough, though I think every team has some reasons not to do it as well as to consider it.

PHX trades: Jalen Green, Dillon Brooks, 2027 PHX/MIN/UTA 1st (worst), 2032 PHX 1st (swap, UTA receives higher of UTA/PHX 1st, PHX receives lower)
in: Lauri Markkanen

Phoenix gets a second option for Booker. Booker - Allen - O'neale - Lauri - Williams.

UTA trades: Lauri Markkanen, 2027 LAL 1st (1-4 protected)
in: Jalen Green, Gabe Vincent, Maxi Kleber, Adou Thiero, 2027 PHX/MIN/UTA 1st (worst), 2032 PHX 1st (swap, UTA receives higher of UTA/PHX 1st, PHX receives lower), 2026 LAL 1st

Utah gets a high-value swap in 2032, swaps their 2027 LAL 1st for a 2026 LAL 1st, returns the lowest of MIN/CLE/UTA 1sts in 2027, and adds a prospect I like in Thiero. They also save some money long-term and get a look at Green (if it does not work out his contract expires after 2027-28).

LAL trades: Gabe Vincent, Maxi Kleber, Adou Thiero, 2026 LAL 1st
in: Dillon Brooks, 2027 LAL 1st (1-4 protected)

LAL gets another POA defender and a bit of tertiary offense around Reaves/Luka/LeBron. Reaves - Brooks - Luka - LeBron - Ayton. This also frees up their picks, after the 2026 draft because they won't have an owed pick in 2027 they are free to trade firsts in 2027/31/33 and swaps in 2028/30/32.

I appreciate the thought that went into this and it's well reasoned for both the Lakers and Suns, but I don't think that this has any appeal for Utah. There's not a single premium asset coming back in exchange for Lauri: the 26 & 27 LAL FRPs are mostly a wash, I'll never see a swap as the principal value in a deal, and frankly it's a toss up whether I would want to see Jalen Green on the Jazz roster or to be repeatedly kicked in the groin. If that’s Markannen's trade value on the market so be it, but imo it's all the more reason for Utah to keep him long term.

[ConSarnit]

This was workshopped in the rumors/thoughts thread, thanks! I like the results well enough, though I think every team has some reasons not to do it as well as to consider it.

PHX trades: Jalen Green, Dillon Brooks, 2027 PHX/MIN/UTA 1st (worst), 2032 PHX 1st (swap, UTA receives higher of UTA/PHX 1st, PHX receives lower)
in: Lauri Markkanen

Phoenix gets a second option for Booker. Booker - Allen - O'neale - Lauri - Williams.

UTA trades: Lauri Markkanen, 2027 LAL 1st (1-4 protected)
in: Jalen Green, Gabe Vincent, Maxi Kleber, Adou Thiero, 2027 PHX/MIN/UTA 1st (worst), 2032 PHX 1st (swap, UTA receives higher of UTA/PHX 1st, PHX receives lower), 2026 LAL 1st

Utah gets a high-value swap in 2032, swaps their 2027 LAL 1st for a 2026 LAL 1st, returns the lowest of MIN/CLE/UTA 1sts in 2027, and adds a prospect I like in Thiero. They also save some money long-term and get a look at Green (if it does not work out his contract expires after 2027-28).

LAL trades: Gabe Vincent, Maxi Kleber, Adou Thiero, 2026 LAL 1st
in: Dillon Brooks, 2027 LAL 1st (1-4 protected)

LAL gets another POA defender and a bit of tertiary offense around Reaves/Luka/LeBron. Reaves - Brooks - Luka - LeBron - Ayton. This also frees up their picks, after the 2026 draft because they won't have an owed pick in 2027 they are free to trade firsts in 2027/31/33 and swaps in 2028/30/32.

I appreciate the thought that went into this and it's well reasoned for both the Lakers and Suns, but I don't think that this has any appeal for Utah. There's not a single premium asset coming back in exchange for Lauri: the 26 & 27 LAL FRPs are mostly a wash, I'll never see a swap as the principal value in a deal, and frankly it's a toss up whether I would want to see Jalen Green on the Jazz roster or to be repeatedly kicked in the groin. If that’s Markannen's trade value on the market so be it, but imo it's all the more reason for Utah to keep him long term.

Is Lauri ever going to return a premium asset? Some of the shine is off because of his new contract. His injury history is poor. I know there is some reasoning behind the idea that his stats are down because of the team around him but if you keep him won’t his stats be down again as the team projects to be really bad?

Markkanen is looking a little Brandon Ingram-y to me. Good player but an injury risk. No longer a value contract. I think he’s better than Ingram (not by a lot) but everything that has happened lately has driven down his value (new contract, numbers down, injury). And if you’re hoping to rebuild his value this current iteration of the Jazz isn’t the place to do it. The OP’s offer (3 middling 1sts) might be the best you can do.

[SkyHook]

This was workshopped in the rumors/thoughts thread, thanks! I like the results well enough, though I think every team has some reasons not to do it as well as to consider it.

PHX trades: Jalen Green, Dillon Brooks, 2027 PHX/MIN/UTA 1st (worst), 2032 PHX 1st (swap, UTA receives higher of UTA/PHX 1st, PHX receives lower)
in: Lauri Markkanen

Phoenix gets a second option for Booker. Booker - Allen - O'neale - Lauri - Williams.

UTA trades: Lauri Markkanen, 2027 LAL 1st (1-4 protected)
in: Jalen Green, Gabe Vincent, Maxi Kleber, Adou Thiero, 2027 PHX/MIN/UTA 1st (worst), 2032 PHX 1st (swap, UTA receives higher of UTA/PHX 1st, PHX receives lower), 2026 LAL 1st

Utah gets a high-value swap in 2032, swaps their 2027 LAL 1st for a 2026 LAL 1st, returns the lowest of MIN/CLE/UTA 1sts in 2027, and adds a prospect I like in Thiero. They also save some money long-term and get a look at Green (if it does not work out his contract expires after 2027-28).

LAL trades: Gabe Vincent, Maxi Kleber, Adou Thiero, 2026 LAL 1st
in: Dillon Brooks, 2027 LAL 1st (1-4 protected)

LAL gets another POA defender and a bit of tertiary offense around Reaves/Luka/LeBron. Reaves - Brooks - Luka - LeBron - Ayton. This also frees up their picks, after the 2026 draft because they won't have an owed pick in 2027 they are free to trade firsts in 2027/31/33 and swaps in 2028/30/32.

I appreciate the thought that went into this and it's well reasoned for both the Lakers and Suns, but I don't think that this has any appeal for Utah. There's not a single premium asset coming back in exchange for Lauri: the 26 & 27 LAL FRPs are mostly a wash, I'll never see a swap as the principal value in a deal, and frankly it's a toss up whether I would want to see Jalen Green on the Jazz roster or to be repeatedly kicked in the groin. If that’s Markannen's trade value on the market so be it, but imo it's all the more reason for Utah to keep him long term.

Is Lauri ever going to return a premium asset? Some of the shine is off because of his new contract. His injury history is poor. I know there is some reasoning behind the idea that his stats are down because of the team around him but if you keep him won’t his stats be down again as the team projects to be really bad?

Markkanen is looking a little Brandon Ingram-y to me. Good player but an injury risk. No longer a value contract. I think he’s better than Ingram (not by a lot) but everything that has happened lately has driven down his value (new contract, numbers down, injury). And if you’re hoping to rebuild his value this current iteration of the Jazz isn’t the place to do it. The OP’s offer (3 middling 1sts) might be the best you can do.

I really don't have any problem with a team deciding that offering even one premium asset for Lauri just isn't worth it, only that it makes zero sense for the Jazz to move him in that case. I'm perfectly happy to keep him for the entirety of his contract and I expect that the Utah brass are as well.

[KdoubleDees23]

I would rather move forward with Jalen Green than Lauri.

Suns say no

[schaffy]

As a non-Suns fan, even if I dont think the combination of Booker and Green is going to be all that great, I dont see the team having any different of a ceiling with Lauri vs Green/Brooks. So for that reason, I wouldn't want to add in a 1st plus a potentially valuable swap.

[SlimShady83]

Flat out, hell no on Lakers...

[dremill24]

As a non-Suns fan, even if I dont think the combination of Booker and Green is going to be all that great, I dont see the team having any different of a ceiling with Lauri vs Green/Brooks. So for that reason, I wouldn't want to add in a 1st plus a potentially valuable swap.

Suns cant deal those picks (or any other 1sts, for that matter) anyway.

[tester551]

PHX trades: Jalen Green, Dillon Brooks, 2027 PHX/MIN/UTA 1st (worst), 2032 PHX 1st (swap, UTA receives higher of UTA/PHX 1st, PHX receives lower)
in: Lauri Markkanen

Overpay here... Don't see any incentive for Suns to make this trade. Lauri doesn't change the trajectory of the Suns in any meaningful way.

UTA trades: Lauri Markkanen, 2027 LAL 1st (1-4 protected)
in: Jalen Green, Gabe Vincent, Maxi Kleber, Adou Thiero, 2027 PHX/MIN/UTA 1st (worst), 2032 PHX 1st (swap, UTA receives higher of UTA/PHX 1st, PHX receives lower), 2026 LAL 1st

Utah steals a LOT of value here. Remove all the picks, and it is much closer IMO.

LAL trades: Gabe Vincent, Maxi Kleber, Adou Thiero, 2026 LAL 1st
in: Dillon Brooks, 2027 LAL 1st (1-4 protected)

I like this for Lakers (although not for the Suns). Not sure for the motivation of swapping picks around, but I think this makes the Lakers better for next season & Brooks would seem to fit with Luka & LeBron.
I'm guessing this is not a valid trade though - considering Lakers are right up against the hard cap & might not have enough room to sign a vet minimum contract to fill out the roster.

[DanishLakerFan]

Not bad from LAs point of view. Not really sure what the plan is in Phoenix.

[DrModesty]

Also coming from a non Suns fan POV.

I like the idea of Markkanen on the Suns as Booker's secondary, but only if Brooks is still there. If you have Booker at the 2 and Lauri as a 3/4 then you need the other wing to be a very good perimeter defender with some solid size. Brooks fits that very well, plus he is able to contribute on the offensive end (mixed results for sure), and is the same age. It isn't that Booker and Lauri can't defend at all. But they are limited and also need to be shielded from the extra responsibility so they can capitalize on offense.

As an aside I am curious as to how people would feel about a Kessler and Maluach deal. Not going to happen obviously, but I find the idea interesting at some level.

[nolaPELSfan]

Suns: Lauri

Jazz: Hachimura, Grayson Allen, Knecht, Hayes, Vincent

Lakers: Dillon Brooks, O'Neale, Mykhailiuk, Collier

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