Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[donkeylips]

I thought 20 mil would have been one of the lower offers. If the kings aren’t even offering 20 mil, he should just take the qo.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Looking at next season's free agent class, kuminga might get even less.

Dubs probably willing to let him go to qo and then just extend him in the off season when there might be no market for him.

[whatisacenter]

Looking at next season's free agent class, kuminga might get even less.

Dubs probably willing to let him go to qo and then just extend him in the off season when there might be no market for him.

LOL, JK is not coming back if he plays out this season on the QO.

If he comes back next season it will be his last. He will take less to play elsewhere.

[statsman]

Looking at next season's free agent class, kuminga might get even less.

Dubs probably willing to let him go to qo and then just extend him in the off season when there might be no market for him.

LOL, JK is not coming back if he plays out this season on the QO.

If he comes back next season it will be his last. He will take less to play elsewhere.

He could go to another team now, if he would play for a lot less than his current demands.

Well, he wants $30M/yr (or close to it), and he wants to have that bag with another team. Someone needs to explain to him and his agents why that might be difficult to accomplish this offseason (and maybe the next one).

[vvoland]

Looking at next season's free agent class, kuminga might get even less.

Dubs probably willing to let him go to qo and then just extend him in the off season when there might be no market for him.

LOL, JK is not coming back if he plays out this season on the QO.

If he comes back next season it will be his last. He will take less to play elsewhere.

He could go to another team now, if he would play for a lot less than his current demands.

Well, he wants $30M/yr (or close to it), and he wants to have that bag with another team. Someone needs to explain to him and his agents why that might be difficult to accomplish this offseason (and maybe the next one).

Not unless we get something in return. Him using a Jalen contract as a comp doesn't seem delusional as it may be a bad read of the market. It does seem like one of the RFAs needs to sign for the rest to do so.

I don't think "being in no rush" to sign 2/40 means he wants 30/yr or bust. He certainly has little incentive to sign early and it's his only real leverage, at the moment. It does sound like a 2/48 or 3/65 with a PO is how this is likely to end up.

[Crazy-Canuck]

LOL, JK is not coming back if he plays out this season on the QO.

If he comes back next season it will be his last. He will take less to play elsewhere.

He could go to another team now, if he would play for a lot less than his current demands.

Well, he wants $30M/yr (or close to it), and he wants to have that bag with another team. Someone needs to explain to him and his agents why that might be difficult to accomplish this offseason (and maybe the next one).

Not unless we get something in return. Him using a Jalen contract as a comp doesn't seem delusional as it may be a bad read of the market. It does seem like one of the RFAs needs to sign for the rest to do so.

I don't think "being in no rush" to sign 2/40 means he wants 30/yr or bust. He certainly has little incentive to sign early and it's his only real leverage, at the moment. It does sound like a 2/48 or 3/65 with a PO is how this is likely to end up.

Bad read of the market might be an understatement. There definitely is a hint of delusion in his camp. He isn't even in the same tier as trey murphy who got 4/112.

[whatisacenter]

He could go to another team now, if he would play for a lot less than his current demands.

Well, he wants $30M/yr (or close to it), and he wants to have that bag with another team. Someone needs to explain to him and his agents why that might be difficult to accomplish this offseason (and maybe the next one).

Not unless we get something in return. Him using a Jalen contract as a comp doesn't seem delusional as it may be a bad read of the market. It does seem like one of the RFAs needs to sign for the rest to do so.

I don't think "being in no rush" to sign 2/40 means he wants 30/yr or bust. He certainly has little incentive to sign early and it's his only real leverage, at the moment. It does sound like a 2/48 or 3/65 with a PO is how this is likely to end up.

Bad read of the market might be an understatement. There definitely is a hint of delusion in his camp. He isn't even in the same tier as trey murphy who got 4/112.

Come on you guys, I know you have been paying better attention than that.

He wanted a Jalen Johnson type deal last offseason. He would take less now but has supposedly turned down the Dubs' 2/40 deal because he wants to play for another team.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Not unless we get something in return. Him using a Jalen contract as a comp doesn't seem delusional as it may be a bad read of the market. It does seem like one of the RFAs needs to sign for the rest to do so.

I don't think "being in no rush" to sign 2/40 means he wants 30/yr or bust. He certainly has little incentive to sign early and it's his only real leverage, at the moment. It does sound like a 2/48 or 3/65 with a PO is how this is likely to end up.

Bad read of the market might be an understatement. There definitely is a hint of delusion in his camp. He isn't even in the same tier as trey murphy who got 4/112.

Come on you guys, I know you have been paying better attention than that.

He wanted a Jalen Johnson type deal last offseason. He would take less now but has supposedly turned down the Dubs' 2/40 deal because he wants to play for another team.

I'd guess that too. Especially if you believe that no other team is even offering 20M and the kuminga camp is still interested and meeting with them (Kings).

This is just a **** all round.

[Onus]

NGL it sounds like the warriors are negotiating with a terrorist. We are offering the most money and probably the best role and JK is still demanding more. Let's be honest he doesn't want to be here and is willing to take less money and less opportunity to be somewhere else. Fine do what it takes to get what you want. If that is Keon Ellis then offer an unprotected 1st to get it done. Keon will not start for the kings and if they won't give up keon for JK + 1st, when they're promising a starting role, then that speaks volumes to what JK's real value is and we should be lowering our offer to the mle+ like cam thomas.

[vvoland]

Not unless we get something in return. Him using a Jalen contract as a comp doesn't seem delusional as it may be a bad read of the market. It does seem like one of the RFAs needs to sign for the rest to do so.

I don't think "being in no rush" to sign 2/40 means he wants 30/yr or bust. He certainly has little incentive to sign early and it's his only real leverage, at the moment. It does sound like a 2/48 or 3/65 with a PO is how this is likely to end up.

Bad read of the market might be an understatement. There definitely is a hint of delusion in his camp. He isn't even in the same tier as trey murphy who got 4/112.

Come on you guys, I know you have been paying better attention than that.

He wanted a Jalen Johnson type deal last offseason. He would take less now but has supposedly turned down the Dubs' 2/40 deal because he wants to play for another team.

You're right, I wasn't clear that the Jalen comp was last year. Who knows what they want now but I doubt 2/40 from gsw is high on that list.

[Onus]

Bad read of the market might be an understatement. There definitely is a hint of delusion in his camp. He isn't even in the same tier as trey murphy who got 4/112.

Come on you guys, I know you have been paying better attention than that.

He wanted a Jalen Johnson type deal last offseason. He would take less now but has supposedly turned down the Dubs' 2/40 deal because he wants to play for another team.

You're right, I wasn't clear that the Jalen comp was last year. Who knows what they want now but I doubt 2/40 from gsw is high on that list.

2/40 is supposedly the highest anyone is offering and if that's not high on their list then the relationship isn't tenable.

[Crazy-Canuck]

I forget who it was (maybe cdm?), but a few seasons ago, he wrote that holding onto to kuminga will do more damage to the franchise than trading wiseman will have.

He might have been right.

[Onus]

I forget who it was (maybe cdm?), but a few seasons ago, he wrote that holding onto to kuminga will do more damage to the franchise than trading wiseman will have.

He might have been right.

it depends on what we get for JK. If we get Keon then it will be better than trading wiseman who only got us GP. Though holding onto JK has hurt us since we've missed out on a lot of usable impact players as well as hurting us for who we can sign since we had to clear a way to get JK playing time. I think 23 was dead because of the punch. Who knows about 24 if we had gotten OG for JK, hell even caruso would've been a help. So it's possible that the JK at best cost the warriors 1 title if everything went right, we're going nowhere in 25 once Steph got hurt. But if we are able to get 26 with a jk trade then it could make up for 24.

Wiseman getting hurt after the trade probably swings it against JK since trading wiseman really hasn't hurt us at all.

[watch1958]

Looking at next season's free agent class, kuminga might get even less.

Dubs probably willing to let him go to qo and then just extend him in the off season when there might be no market for him.

Even within the organization, they will be looking at a Podz extension. I expect more butt hurt stuff no matter how it ends.

[Crazy-Canuck]

I forget who it was (maybe cdm?), but a few seasons ago, he wrote that holding onto to kuminga will do more damage to the franchise than trading wiseman will have.

He might have been right.

it depends on what we get for JK. If we get Keon then it will be better than trading wiseman who only got us GP. Though holding onto JK has hurt us since we've missed out on a lot of usable impact players as well as hurting us for who we can sign since we had to clear a way to get JK playing time. I think 23 was dead because of the punch. Who knows about 24 if we had gotten OG for JK, hell even caruso would've been a help. So it's possible that the JK at best cost the warriors 1 title if everything went right, we're going nowhere in 25 once Steph got hurt. But if we are able to get 26 with a jk trade then it could make up for 24.

Wiseman getting hurt after the trade probably swings it against JK since trading wiseman really hasn't hurt us at all.

Imo, that was the point.

Blowing the draft is one thing. But we got off wiseman. Moody signed for cheap. Poole might have been a problem, but dray took care of that.

Now we are at a crossroads with kuminga. He's good enough to be worth keeping, but also bad enough to move. He may not agree, but the franchise views him highly enough to turn away all those game changing offers that most assuredly would have lengthened this steph timeline.

Not trading kuminga earlier and letting cp3 walk for nothing stick out like a sore thumb.

[Onus]

One of the biggest issues is that jk and his team hasn’t really chosen an option. Like if they made it clear we do not want to come back to the warriors under any circumstance and we’re only coming back on the qo then it would force our hand on accepting a s&t. But the offers out there must not be great where they can guarantee that they would be able to make up the salary difference next year so they’re keeping the warriors as an option which is why this is dragging on.

The Warriors also haven’t chosen a direction and want to accommodate either keeping jk or moving on since none of the s&t options have been compelling. Like if we were in a rush we would say for each week you delay the signing we will remove 1m from the offer then jk’s camp would have some pressure to make a decision.

But both sides are trying to keep things amendable because there are not better options. Like nothing is really changing from this point forward. Most teams have chosen where they are going next season and aren’t going to change course for jk. Thats what jk’s team has to come to the realization.

[Onus]

I forget who it was (maybe cdm?), but a few seasons ago, he wrote that holding onto to kuminga will do more damage to the franchise than trading wiseman will have.

He might have been right.

it depends on what we get for JK. If we get Keon then it will be better than trading wiseman who only got us GP. Though holding onto JK has hurt us since we've missed out on a lot of usable impact players as well as hurting us for who we can sign since we had to clear a way to get JK playing time. I think 23 was dead because of the punch. Who knows about 24 if we had gotten OG for JK, hell even caruso would've been a help. So it's possible that the JK at best cost the warriors 1 title if everything went right, we're going nowhere in 25 once Steph got hurt. But if we are able to get 26 with a jk trade then it could make up for 24.

Wiseman getting hurt after the trade probably swings it against JK since trading wiseman really hasn't hurt us at all.

Imo, that was the point.

Blowing the draft is one thing. But we got off wiseman. Moody signed for cheap. Poole might have been a problem, but dray took care of that.

Now we are at a crossroads with kuminga. He's good enough to be worth keeping, but also bad enough to move. He may not agree, but the franchise views him highly enough to turn away all those game changing offers that most assuredly would have lengthened this steph timeline.

Not trading kuminga earlier and letting cp3 walk for nothing stick out like a sore thumb.

Indecision always ends up costing more since you have to plan for multiple outcomes and you can’t put all your energy and resources into a specific path.

I still think a curry/klay/wiggins/og/dray lineup would be one of the best lineups in the nba still going into 26. Even with Klays decline and podz replacing Klay that would be one of the best lineups in the league.

[vvoland]

NGL it sounds like the warriors are negotiating with a terrorist. We are offering the most money and probably the best role and JK is still demanding more. Let's be honest he doesn't want to be here and is willing to take less money and less opportunity to be somewhere else. Fine do what it takes to get what you want. If that is Keon Ellis then offer an unprotected 1st to get it done. Keon will not start for the kings and if they won't give up keon for JK + 1st, when they're promising a starting role, then that speaks volumes to what JK's real value is and we should be lowering our offer to the mle+ like cam thomas.

No RFA has signed, why do you take this negotiation so personally? If i, one of the other 2 JK fans, were calling the warriors kidnappers for how they did/are treating him, wouldn't that be rather hyperbolic? I get that you don't think he'll be blowing up buildings, I'm just saying he, and every other RFA, is exercising their only leverage - time. 2/40 may be fair but, on this team, with this coach, I can see why they're waiting to find other offers that would satisfy both JK and the team.

An unprotected first and jk for Ellis is way to rich for my blood. Is keon really a full frp better than podz, Melton, moody, AND buddy?

Initially, I thought this was done when the dnp-cds lasted more than a few games. The way jk responded in the Minny series makes me think he'll come in, play hard, and won't be an issue in the locker room. Sure, he had a lot to play for then but, if he wants out as much as you suspect he does, playing hard/well almost guarantees he'll get traded by Feb. Unless, of course, he's so good Kerr actually gives him a role almost immediately, like he did with podz.

He hasn't gone to the media, said anything negative against the team, demanded a trade, etc. They're trying to pay him a bit more than moody but for even fewer years. I'm sure he understands what that could mean for his role/minutes.

One of the podcasters that used to be in a FO (marks or hollinger, I forget) explained the money Dame got like this: the agent will look at what the team CAN offer, in Portland's case, the full mle, and ask for that in negotiations. All of that. In JKs case, thats a contract starting at 23ish, right? I'm order to give big Al the TPMLE, I mean. Meaning, if it's two years, the dubs can offer 23/26 or 2/49. I'm willing to bet that would get it done.

[Onus]

NGL it sounds like the warriors are negotiating with a terrorist. We are offering the most money and probably the best role and JK is still demanding more. Let's be honest he doesn't want to be here and is willing to take less money and less opportunity to be somewhere else. Fine do what it takes to get what you want. If that is Keon Ellis then offer an unprotected 1st to get it done. Keon will not start for the kings and if they won't give up keon for JK + 1st, when they're promising a starting role, then that speaks volumes to what JK's real value is and we should be lowering our offer to the mle+ like cam thomas.

No RFA has signed, why do you take this negotiation so personally? If i, one of the other 2 JK fans, were calling the warriors kidnappers for how they did/are treating him, wouldn't that be rather hyperbolic? I get that you don't think he'll be blowing up buildings, I'm just saying he, and every other RFA, is exercising their only leverage - time. 2/40 may be fair but, on this team, with this coach, I can see why they're waiting to find other offers that would satisfy both JK and the team.

An unprotected first and jk for Ellis is way to rich for my blood. Is keon really a full frp better than podz, Melton, moody, AND buddy?

Initially, I thought this was done when the dnp-cds lasted more than a few games. The way jk responded in the Minny series makes me think he'll come in, play hard, and won't be an issue in the locker room. Sure, he had a lot to play for then but, if he wants out as much as you suspect he does, playing hard/well almost guarantees he'll get traded by Feb. Unless, of course, he's so good Kerr actually gives him a role almost immediately, like he did with podz.

He hasn't gone to the media, said anything negative against the team, demanded a trade, etc. They're trying to pay him a bit more than moody but for even fewer years. I'm sure he understands what that could mean for his role/minutes.

One of the podcasters that used to be in a FO (marks or hollinger, I forget) explained the money Dame got like this: the agent will look at what the team CAN offer, in Portland's case, the full mle, and ask for that in negotiations. All of that. In JKs case, thats a contract starting at 23ish, right? I'm order to give big Al the TPMLE, I mean. Meaning, if it's two years, the dubs can offer 23/26 or 2/49. I'm willing to bet that would get it done.

Going into rfa is a bad sign already. Free agency isn’t where you get the most money. You get the most money by signing with the team and then asking for a trade. The fact that this is going into restricted free agency means that parties are delusional.

The warriors are absolutely holding jk hostage. Ownership absolutely overvalues jk which is why we are still offering the most money and the best opportunity even though the market is saying he’s worth less than what we are offering. The issue is that jk hasn’t found a better option monetarily or opportunity even though he doesn’t want to be here which is why we are in this stalemate.

Would you trade jk and a 1st for Derrick white? If melton didn’t have an injury history he’d be worth close to 25-30m a year like white.

If the negotiations were really only 3m apart jk would be signed. We very obviously can offer 23m starting and if jk was willing to take that the deal would be done.

[Twinkie defense]

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