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[tedbrogen]

Do the Bucks still have their Room Exception?

No, used on KPJ and either Trent or Harris, not sure which.

I thought GTJ was min plus 20% raise, so no exception needed and Harris was purely a min.

I thought they still had something like $3.3M to $3.8M of the Room left but it’s so close to what the vet min is that it’s hardly useful.

I could be wrong though as no one listed out the specific order of operations on signing Turner so it’s possible they had to release GTJ’s cap hold then use the Room to actually sign him.

[emunney]

Do the Bucks still have their Room Exception?

No, used on KPJ and either Trent or Harris, not sure which.

I thought GTJ was min plus 20% raise, so no exception needed and Harris was purely a min.

I thought they still had something like $3.3M to $3.8M of the Room left but it’s so close to what the vet min is that it’s hardly useful.

I could be wrong though as no one listed out the specific order of operations on signing Turner so it’s possible they had to release GTJ’s cap hold then use the Room to actually sign him.

It's been reported both ways; you and Bern could very well be right. If you are, while the amount we have left isn't much different from the 10 year vet min, it's quite a bit more than the min for younger players, so could be useful there (or in a trade like Bern said).

[yb90]

Do the Bucks still have their Room Exception?

No, used on KPJ and either Trent or Harris, not sure which.

I thought GTJ was min plus 20% raise, so no exception needed and Harris was purely a min.

I thought they still had something like $3.3M to $3.8M of the Room left but it’s so close to what the vet min is that it’s hardly useful.

I could be wrong though as no one listed out the specific order of operations on signing Turner so it’s possible they had to release GTJ’s cap hold then use the Room to actually sign him.

From what I could find it looks like they used the B.A.E. to sign KPJ, used the 20% raise for Trent Jr and Prince.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

were all down on kuzma but he does have some upside whether people want to admit it or not. id rather just hold off and really go get a decent guy. i dont like dumping him for other guys teams want to dump

Don't get me wrong I've appreciated your posts on Kuzma even aside from the cognitive dissonance factor!

I agree it's not so hard to envision him being just fine as an athletic backup 4.

Yes Kuz will spaz out way too often but this is also a team who's been trotting out dead man walking lineups for years now too.

Bolded lies the issue that Kuz truthers seem to ignore. Between GA, BP, and Turner all minutes at the 4/5 are already delegated. Any scraps or times when any of those three are out Sims can fill in. Kuz is a third string PF behind the best player in the world and one of the better bench players in the league.

He’s useful only when either GA or Bobby are out. And even then, you could make the case for throwing minutes to Prince as a stretch four because at least he can hit open threes.

there will be about 30 games this year where turner and/or giannis will sit out completely. this roster is too small to begin with....not to big. we have 4 bigs with sims as the 5th. thats it.

so not sure i agree with your assessment in any way like we have too many bigs on a 15 man roster?

btw... prince can play 4 but he isnt a big. kuzma can alo slide into minutes at the 3 in certain lineups as well. if we trade him for somebody smaller we should target a guy with his size and athleticism as a replacment somehwere. we dont have too many big guys by any stretch. its nice to have additional size and athleticsm we can throw out there if needed. and if he improves what a win. if he doesnt then a perfect expiring contract just around the corner

[emunney]

No, used on KPJ and either Trent or Harris, not sure which.

I thought GTJ was min plus 20% raise, so no exception needed and Harris was purely a min.

I thought they still had something like $3.3M to $3.8M of the Room left but it’s so close to what the vet min is that it’s hardly useful.

I could be wrong though as no one listed out the specific order of operations on signing Turner so it’s possible they had to release GTJ’s cap hold then use the Room to actually sign him.

From what I could find it looks like they used the B.A.E. to sign KPJ, used the 20% raise for Trent Jr and Prince.

By spotrac's numbers, it looks like Trent got 120% of the min (which is more than 120% of what he made last year, but still fits the terms of non-Bird rights) and Prince got the straight minimum again.

[-Jragon-]

Yall gonna be so mad when Kuz starts at 3 and whitest-est Donte comes off pine again lol

[-Jragon-]

And I'm going to be annoyed that Bobby gets the big man burn minutes over Jericho but I kind of get it... need scoring

[-Jragon-]

I hope Prince's main role is polishing our Championship rings lol

[-Jragon-]

We need Thanasis to throw Giannis his towel and yell at Kuz and young dudes for dumb turnovers

[raferfenix]

Do I think Kuzma could be fine as an energizer to run the court and play some defense off the bench at the 4? Yes.

Is that kind of player worth allocating $20M to? No.

Does that mean we have to dump him necessarily in some lateral trade for a less athletic player who isn’t the best fit either? No.

But could Doc spell doom using Kuz nonsensically again? Maybe, and yes that’d mean we have a bigger problem.

[Bernman]

From what I could find it looks like they used the B.A.E. to sign KPJ, used the 20% raise for Trent Jr and Prince.

KPJ got the equivalent of the BAE as part of the room exception. They honored the agreement before they needed to clear space to sign Turner. Technically they didn't have the BAE anymore.

[drew881]

Do I think Kuzma could be fine as an energizer to run the court and play some defense off the bench at the 4? Yes.

Is that kind of player worth allocating $20M to? No.

Does that mean we have to dump him necessarily in some lateral trade for a less athletic player who isn’t the best fit either? No.

But could Doc spell doom using Kuz nonsensically again? Maybe, and yes that’d mean we have a bigger problem.

Also a problem if Giannis likes him.

[rilamann]

After watching Tatum, Haliburton and Dame all blow out their achilles. The last thing I would do is switch my number to #0

[Dick Tate]

were all down on kuzma but he does have some upside whether people want to admit it or not. id rather just hold off and really go get a decent guy. i dont like dumping him for other guys teams want to dump

Don't get me wrong I've appreciated your posts on Kuzma even aside from the cognitive dissonance factor!

I agree it's not so hard to envision him being just fine as an athletic backup 4.

Yes Kuz will spaz out way too often but this is also a team who's been trotting out dead man walking lineups for years now too.

Bolded lies the issue that Kuz truthers seem to ignore. Between GA, BP, and Turner all minutes at the 4/5 are already delegated. Any scraps or times when any of those three are out Sims can fill in. Kuz is a third string PF behind the best player in the world and one of the better bench players in the league.

He’s useful only when either GA or Bobby are out. And even then, you could make the case for throwing minutes to Prince as a stretch four because at least he can hit open threes.

Giannis as a point-SF opens more minutes at PF.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Do I think Kuzma could be fine as an energizer to run the court and play some defense off the bench at the 4? Yes.

Is that kind of player worth allocating $20M to? No.

Does that mean we have to dump him necessarily in some lateral trade for a less athletic player who isn’t the best fit either? No.

But could Doc spell doom using Kuz nonsensically again? Maybe, and yes that’d mean we have a bigger problem.

just imagine kpj is making kuzmas dough and kuzmas making kpjs dough. in a couple years if all goes well that is going to happen. its been so long since weve had bad money i think the board doesnt know how to handle it.

i dont care what these guys make. the whole roster is sunk cost at this point. all i care is they all do the best they can and doc gets the best out of the lineup.

horst is well aware he needs to improve this thing. giannis is committed for this year. next year a kuzma expring with a bunch of picks to deal all but assures hes got the ammo to make another splash. imo we cannot take on another contract that has even the slighest chance of handicapping us next year

[GoldenAntlers]

After watching Tatum, Haliburton and Dame all blow out their achilles. The last thing I would do is switch my number to #0

Yeah, but if you get the injury you still get paid and don't have to play.

[raferfenix]

horst is well aware he needs to improve this thing. giannis is committed for this year. next year a kuzma expring with a bunch of picks to deal all but assures hes got the ammo to make another splash. imo we cannot take on another contract that has even the slighest chance of handicapping us next year

Very much agreed we cannot afford to waste Kuzma's salary slot in anticipation of what we can offer next draft day.

But it's not like keeping Kuz and he continues to suck while becoming a malcontent about his minutes doesn't entail its own risk.

[MickeyDavis]

Page after page with the same Kuz posts and it's 3 months till the season starts. Yikes

[Bernman]

On a semi-related note, reportedly the Pelicans have been getting offers for Murphy, but asking for a king's ransom. Obviously it's nothing we could furnish at this point. But maybe we could in a year. Otherwise if he asks out before cuz they're a mess, it's just the best offer they could get.

[raferfenix]

Bucks trade: Kuzma, $7.3M more in salary, waive Ajax
Kings trade: Devin Carter, DeMar DeRozan

Assumption 1: Horst/Doc think Devin Carter's defense will win out in a lord of the flies death match with our other young guards scrapping for minutes.

Assumption 2: DeRozan's partially guaranteed contract (allowing a team to drop $15M in cap that offseason) will be more valuable than the $20M Kuzma is owed.

Alternatively....DeRozan is a worse fit than Kuzma in a culture-setting year when we're trying to focus on speed/youth/defense.

And just because it's the Kings giving up on yet another guard they took in the lottery yesterday doesn't necessarily mean they'll be good.

What do we think?