Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[Onus]

According to Slater/Shams, a major sticking point in 2/45 offer is the Warriors' insistance that JK waive the built in trade veto that comes with a 2nd year option. This is a new wrinkle in the CBA that allows for that.

Why would he be worried about a no trade clause. Only terrible teams want him and he wants a place to showcase his talent. There's no way that's the sticking point in not signing that deal. Seriously a 1 year 22.5M offer is better than a 1 year 8M offer. He really going to throw away 14.5M to be petty?

If it wasn't the no trade clause, it'd be something else. I just don't think he wants to be a warrior anymore.

An expiring 23M contract is much much easier to move at the deadline. It's clear they don't think much of jk, but they also don't want to give him away for nothing.

Only losers in this situation.

I think it's clear that JK doesn't have a lot of value which is why MDJ is essentially making JK an expiring contract.

What a terrible waste of lottery picks.

[Crazy-Canuck]

2/45 is the same as 4/90. The team option for year 2 is wild work by MDJ. Thinks JK has more value as an expiring contract than on a 2 year contract worth 45M.

Not the same at all since it's really just a one year deal and no security at all for JK.

4/90 offer is miles better.

He wants to be a free agent and leave the warriors. Getting a 1 year 22.5M deal and then becoming a free agent the next year like he wants to do should be seen as great for him. It definitely beats taking the QO.

That 4/90 offer is likely not a real offer. The kings sure as hell do not value him and the Suns isn't even a real option. They can tell JK that's what they would give him but until they actually put in writing it's just telling him what he wants to hear.

If that 4/90 offer is from the kings, im calling their bluff.

They would have to make a few secondary moves to free up some space. Keegan and Ellis are deemed untouchable and they'll need to get paid next season. No one wants demar, lavine, and monk. I don't buy what the kings are selling.

[AirP.]

The Warriors forward, who currently is a restricted free agent, rejected Golden State's recent two-year, $45 million contract offer, ESPN's Shams Charania and Anthony Slater reported in a story on Wednesday, citing sources.

Kuminga's decision, as ESPN reports, largely was due to the Warriors' insistence on having a team option for the second season and their unwillingness to let him maintain the built-in no-trade clause, which the team requested he waive.

The proposed one-plus-one contract, according to the collective bargaining agreement, would have an inherent no-trade clause, due to Kuminga's potential next team not maintaining his Bird rights.

Charania and Slater also reported that Kuminga's agent, Aaron Turner, presented a few contract frameworks to the Warriors during two NBA Summer League meetings in Las Vegas, including a three-year deal worth up to $82 million that let the Warriors stay below the second apron, which would allow them to use the taxpayer midlevel exception.

It would seem that Kuminga wants that no-trade clause to be able to pick where he goes vs GS just trading him for the best package, which of course is Kuminga's right.

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[-Spyda-]

Your going to lose Kuminga for nothing

[whatisacenter]

Free JK

Just take a crappy return without salary ramifications.

[AirP.]

Your going to lose Kuminga for nothing

That would be better than overpaying him and then having to send out assets to move his contract. Poole comes to mind and GS benifited from this situation when Minneosta was desperate to move Wiggin's contract.

As of right now, GS can't overpay Kuminga and then use him as salary filler in a trade if he's seen as a negative asset which could be the case if he stays in GS and it doesn't work out. I've seen Butler work well in the playoffs with a non-shooter on offense in Bam before, so the lack of shooting isn't the issue, the lack of moving the ball is. Kuminga could thrive in GS if he were willing to not call his number as much as he does. Why not move the ball and be receptive to receiving the ball late in the clock when you can use your talents to try to bail the team out AFTER they run the offense trying to generate a good look? It's frustrating to see how Kuminga COULD be very good for GS and he just doesn't seem willing to bend.

[eminence]

Free JK

Just take a crappy return without salary ramifications.

Would that be the Saric/Carter offer from Sac?

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[cpower]

I fking love it. It now comes down to 1. Suns Kings bent down and give us what we need or 2. Kuminga takes QA and sits out for the season.

Let's see what happens next

[vvoland]

Finally someone making a decision.

Told you 2/46 wasn’t going to be accepted by jk.

Jk turning down an extra 15m in year 1 is going to be something.

According to Slater/Shams, a major sticking point in 2/45 offer is the Warriors' insistance that JK waive the built in trade veto that comes with a 2nd year option. This is a new wrinkle in the CBA that allows for that.

Why would he be worried about a no trade clause. Only terrible teams want him and he wants a place to showcase his talent. There's no way that's the sticking point in not signing that deal. Seriously a 1 year 22.5M offer is better than a 1 year 8M offer. He really going to throw away 14.5M to be petty?

I think the second part of that "a place to showcase his talents" is just conjecture. He wants a role and not to be buried on the bench behind a gui santos but the whole 1st option thing is just projection - he NEVER said that. Not wanting to get traded to the bulls, jazz, or hornets is pretty basic self-preservation.

At first, most of the board was pissed at JK for turning down 5/150 last summer. We then learned nothing was even offered from the dubs. Then, the board was upset JK was holding the team hostage and not accepting the fist offer thrown his way, which we all thought was 2/40. Now, it turns out, MDJ wants a team option in year 2 AND JK to waive the no-trade clause that accompanies all 2 year deal with an option. What's next, is MDJ going to ask JK to bend over and close his eyes for a few minutes?

Why do you call JK petty, in this situation? Because he's looking to get the best deal for himself in this objectively awful situation? I told you 2/48 probably gets it done, I should have clarified that the 2nd year would need to be fully guaranteed or a PO. I still think it gets done at that number - one that no one on this board would complain about, not even Evan. Sure, 1 yr at 22.5M is better than the QO. The 3/82 they offered to the dubs that keeps the TPMLE available is also a very reasonable offer. Aren't the warriors petty by not giving him that, locking him into a tradeable contract, and doing right by a player they've jerked around quite a bit? You think JK & co turn down 3/75 if their starting offer was 3/82?

[vvoland]

I fking love it. It now comes down to 1. Suns Kings bent down and give us what we need or 2. Kuminga takes QA and sits out for the season.

Let's see what happens next

Or, the most likely scenario is JK back on a 2 year deal.

[cpower]

I fking love it. It now comes down to 1. Suns Kings bent down and give us what we need or 2. Kuminga takes QA and sits out for the season.

Let's see what happens next

Or, the most likely scenario is JK back on a 2 year deal.

He is not coming back with a team option. He realizes he does not have value and wanted to get that bag now.

[AirP.]

I fking love it. It now comes down to 1. Suns Kings bent down and give us what we need or 2. Kuminga takes QA and sits out for the season.

Let's see what happens next

Or, the most likely scenario is JK back on a 2 year deal.

Seems GS wants to option of not bring him back the 2nd season if they can't move him (which is possible). A 2nd year TO allows GS to utilize his contract as an expiring contract if nobody wants to trade anything good for him. If I'm a team wanting to win, I'm staying far away from Kuminga, I guess a desperate team trying to contend could roll the dice with him as long as it's a short term contract.

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[Crazy-Canuck]

According to Slater/Shams, a major sticking point in 2/45 offer is the Warriors' insistance that JK waive the built in trade veto that comes with a 2nd year option. This is a new wrinkle in the CBA that allows for that.

Why would he be worried about a no trade clause. Only terrible teams want him and he wants a place to showcase his talent. There's no way that's the sticking point in not signing that deal. Seriously a 1 year 22.5M offer is better than a 1 year 8M offer. He really going to throw away 14.5M to be petty?

I think the second part of that "a place to showcase his talents" is just conjecture. He wants a role and not to be buried on the bench behind a gui santos but the whole 1st option thing is just projection - he NEVER said that. Not wanting to get traded to the bulls, jazz, or hornets is pretty basic self-preservation.

At first, most of the board was pissed at JK for turning down 5/150 last summer. We then learned nothing was even offered from the dubs. Then, the board was upset JK was holding the team hostage and not accepting the fist offer thrown his way, which we all thought was 2/40. Now, it turns out, MDJ wants a team option in year 2 AND JK to waive the no-trade clause that accompanies all 2 year deal with an option. What's next, is MDJ going to ask JK to bend over and close his eyes for a few minutes?

Why do you call JK petty, in this situation? Because he's looking to get the best deal for himself in this objectively awful situation? I told you 2/48 probably gets it done, I should have clarified that the 2nd year would need to be fully guaranteed or a PO. I still think it gets done at that number - one that no one on this board would complain about, not even Evan. Sure, 1 yr at 22.5M is better than the QO. The 3/82 they offered to the dubs that keeps the TPMLE available is also a very reasonable offer. Aren't the warriors petty by not giving him that, locking him into a tradeable contract, and doing right by a player they've jerked around quite a bit? You think JK & co turn down 3/75 if their starting offer was 3/82?

If 3/82 is a reasonable contract, then jk would have been signed or given a comparable offer from someone. The fact that he hasn't, tells you there is the thought that it would not become a tradeable contract. Then the warriors would be stuck in a poole situation again and having to attach assets. Even 2/45 with an ntc would scare me more. He'd Bradley Beale the warriors.

[AirP.]

It's like I've seen this situation before; Kuminga to his credit isn't a problem off the court like Beasley was but some players will not change their game...

"If you look at my numbers, if you look at how I played the game, there's no reason in hell I should not be playing basketball," Beasley said. "My rookie year, I averaged 13 [points] and six [rebounds] on 20 minutes [per game]. Jayson Tatum averaged 13 and six in 36 minutes and they gave him a chance to play basketball."

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/no-reason-hell-not-playing-203037808.html

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[statsman]

Free JK

Just take a crappy return without salary ramifications.

Would that be the Saric/Carter offer from Sac?

Saric cannot be aggregated in a trade until January 13th. Thank God!

[EvanZ]

Force him to take the QO.

[Onus]

According to Slater/Shams, a major sticking point in 2/45 offer is the Warriors' insistance that JK waive the built in trade veto that comes with a 2nd year option. This is a new wrinkle in the CBA that allows for that.

Why would he be worried about a no trade clause. Only terrible teams want him and he wants a place to showcase his talent. There's no way that's the sticking point in not signing that deal. Seriously a 1 year 22.5M offer is better than a 1 year 8M offer. He really going to throw away 14.5M to be petty?

I think the second part of that "a place to showcase his talents" is just conjecture. He wants a role and not to be buried on the bench behind a gui santos but the whole 1st option thing is just projection - he NEVER said that. Not wanting to get traded to the bulls, jazz, or hornets is pretty basic self-preservation.

At first, most of the board was pissed at JK for turning down 5/150 last summer. We then learned nothing was even offered from the dubs. Then, the board was upset JK was holding the team hostage and not accepting the fist offer thrown his way, which we all thought was 2/40. Now, it turns out, MDJ wants a team option in year 2 AND JK to waive the no-trade clause that accompanies all 2 year deal with an option. What's next, is MDJ going to ask JK to bend over and close his eyes for a few minutes?

Why do you call JK petty, in this situation? Because he's looking to get the best deal for himself in this objectively awful situation? I told you 2/48 probably gets it done, I should have clarified that the 2nd year would need to be fully guaranteed or a PO. I still think it gets done at that number - one that no one on this board would complain about, not even Evan. Sure, 1 yr at 22.5M is better than the QO. The 3/82 they offered to the dubs that keeps the TPMLE available is also a very reasonable offer. Aren't the warriors petty by not giving him that, locking him into a tradeable contract, and doing right by a player they've jerked around quite a bit? You think JK & co turn down 3/75 if their starting offer was 3/82?

You're projecting about 1st option.

He canvased the league for an offer and the jazz and hornets weren't interested. The only teams interested were the bulls, kings, suns, wizards. Yea those teams are terrible teams and he was willing to sign with any of them if they gave him an offer.

Petty because 1 year 22.5 million is more than 1 year 8 million. The only reason not to take the 1 year 22.5 M is because you're in your feelings. 3/82 is fair? haha you would want to give JK close to 30M a year.

It's telling that the warriors think JK could be hard to move at 22.5M a year.

[statsman]

Force him to take the QO.

Pretty much, but it likely won't happen. Unfortunately for Kuminga, I want to see this agent taught a huge lesson. A 3/82 request is hardly a backpedal at all. The first three years are the same as in a 4/112 (5% raises) offer or a 5/147 (8% raises) offer.

[statsman]

Sorry, I just jumped back into this before reading all of the posts. Are the numbers and contracts being discussed media conjecture, or are these words coming from the Warriors and the agent?