Where Jonathan Kuminga ends ?

[eminence]

Idk how you could endorse this, feels like such a bad look for the Warriors from an optics standpoint. Post Curry era isn't going to be pretty.

I am sure he is. Warriors are better without kuminga. And if we can get any value from that would be a plus

But you're not getting anything valuable in return...instead you're going to waste whatever is left of Curry, Butler, and Greens career with a roster consisting of what 9 guys, only half of which are actually playable.

Steph/Butler/Dray/Moody/Buddy/Podz/Jackson-Davis/Santos/Post

Horford+Melton on the way.

I don't think depth will really be much of a problem. The question is are Steph/Jimmy/Dray good/healthy enough to be a top 3 in 2026.

[bfchs123]

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[Mamba Mentality]

I am sure he is. Warriors are better without kuminga. And if we can get any value from that would be a plus

But you're not getting anything valuable in return...instead you're going to waste whatever is left of Curry, Butler, and Greens career with a roster consisting of what 9 guys, only half of which are actually playable.

Steph/Butler/Dray/Moody/Buddy/Podz/Jackson-Davis/Santos/Post

Horford+Melton on the way.

I don't think depth will really be much of a problem. The question is are Steph/Jimmy/Dray good/healthy enough to be a top 3 in 2026.

People were clamoring for Hayes, Vando, Vincent, and Goodwin to get more burn in the postseason, but the truth is those guys aren't legitimate rotation players. You can make it work with them in the regular season, but come playoff time they aren't dependable and it's easy to exploit their weaknesses, that's why JJ had to shorten the rotation and play the same 5 guys against the TWolves. Warriors bench right now is extremely sus, a 39 year old Horford and Melton doesn't change that and their recent track record doesn't suggest that their young guys are going to make a sizable leap to offset the inevitable regression of their vets.

[cpower]

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Wiseman said the same where is him now

[SkyBill40]

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Got news for you, JK... you're not going to be in a much better situation other than money if you come to PHX.

If Ishbia wants to get this dude that badly, he's going to put us right back into the apron(s) and for what? So we can get a dude who isn't really going to move the needle that much? Personally speaking, I'd rather we keep our roster as constructed and roll with it. Dunn and Ighodaro are fine and Kuminga isn't going to be the guy who gets us back to the Finals.

[eminence]

But you're not getting anything valuable in return...instead you're going to waste whatever is left of Curry, Butler, and Greens career with a roster consisting of what 9 guys, only half of which are actually playable.

Steph/Butler/Dray/Moody/Buddy/Podz/Jackson-Davis/Santos/Post

Horford+Melton on the way.

I don't think depth will really be much of a problem. The question is are Steph/Jimmy/Dray good/healthy enough to be a top 3 in 2026.

People were clamoring for Hayes, Vando, Vincent, Goodwin to get more burn in the postseason, but the truth is those guys aren't legitimate rotation players. You can make it work with them in the regular season, but come playoff time you cant depend on any of them, and that's why JJ had to shorten the rotation and play the same 5 guys against the TWolves. Warriors bench right now is extremely suspect, a 39 year old Horford and Melton doesn't change that.

I can respect that opinion of their bench (I think it's fine).

But I don't see why one would think Kuminga (or trading Kuminga for what's been on the table - Dario Saric and Grayson Allen) would change that assessment.

[realball]

S&T for Malik Monk makes sense for both sides IMO.

[ShootersShoot]

At the end of the day, Kuminga's side mis-read the market, and the Warriors missed the opportunity to trade him for real assets when his value is still high when his relationship with Kerr went sour. I believe it was after the loss to Denver and it was leaked that his lost his trust in Kerr, they should have pull the trigger and get a real player back.

When is the last time a RFA situation became this toxic?

This is all selt created from the Warriors side.

Players rejecting extensions is normal. What isn't normal is destroying that players value there after. They intentionally DNP'd him hoping to lower his value and they succeeded. Problem is they are trying to trade him. So asking for a 1st, a prospect and no bad contracts is delusion of the highest order.

This is the folly of the two timelines. The Warriors all seem to legitimately believe in Kuminga but also recognize that he doesn't help them win now. Specifically, the management side probably leans towards his development where Kerr doesn't want to play him. As you said, they should have moved on already.

Ehh..the pick used to draft kuminga came from the wiggins trade, where myers traded deangelo for wiggins and an unprotected first rounder.

Wiseman was a waste yea, but the #7 pick used to draft kuminga was like a free gift. Sure, they could have drafted franz wagner there but I dont really blame kuminga not working out on the two timeline approach. Its not like they tanked for him.

[Crazy-Canuck]

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Yes, because kerr told kuminga not defend, not develop a 3pt shot, not to rebound, not to learn how to dribble, not mske fts, and not to pass. Every off season the coaching staff has asked him to work on this things. Yet, every off season kuminga releases tape of him being kobe in a 1 on none setting in the gym.

[Rafael122]

So let me get this straight, Golden State is willing to pay him as long as his waives his quasi-NTC (which he will have by signing this contract), and the 2nd year is a team option essentially giving Golden State the power to sit him out, not play him, etc and then decline the club option and find his market to be worse than it was this year. Do I have that right?

[Bornstellar]

GS really screwed up by not trading him sooner. They should just rescind the QO at this point and let him become a UFA instead of holding him hostage.

[TrueFan420]

So let me get this straight, Golden State is willing to pay him as long as his waives his quasi-NTC (which he will have by signing this contract), and the 2nd year is a team option essentially giving Golden State the power to sit him out, not play him, etc and then decline the club option and find his market to be worse than it was this year. Do I have that right?

Yea their offer is sus. Having said that, it’s higher than the QO. The issue is really the team option and waiving the NTC. I think it gets solved with a 2+1 for the same rate. JK gets the extra year of money and still can get out early at 24 or 25 for a payday. Warriors get the NTC waived for the extra year (22.5 mill guaranteed). This makes him a better trade asset as well. Receiving team gets him at the deadline for 1.5 years and an option for another. Could sweeten the pot by making the trigger for year 3 to be the end of year 1. So warriors have to chose or the receiving team with .5 has to chose and he’ll know where he stands.

[CS707]

GS really screwed up by not trading him sooner. They should just rescind the QO at this point and let him become a UFA instead of holding him hostage.

I honestly don’t think the market for him was ever there.

[TrueFan420]

S&T for Malik Monk makes sense for both sides IMO.

Hard cap doesn’t make sense for the Warriors.

[Bornstellar]

GS really screwed up by not trading him sooner. They should just rescind the QO at this point and let him become a UFA instead of holding him hostage.

I honestly don’t think the market for him was ever there.

While he was still in the last year of his rookie deal, someone would have taken a flyer on him

[stillgotgame]

So let me get this straight, Golden State is willing to pay him as long as his waives his quasi-NTC (which he will have by signing this contract), and the 2nd year is a team option essentially giving Golden State the power to sit him out, not play him, etc and then decline the club option and find his market to be worse than it was this year. Do I have that right?

If GS doesn’t want him and don’t like the offers presented to them what are they supposed to do?
He can decline and play out the option then.

Plenty of teams will have cap room next year and he can go where he wants.

[Celts17Pride]

S&T for Malik Monk makes sense for both sides IMO.

Golden State doesn't want to take on any money past Curry and Butler's two years. Same reason why they are offering Kuminga a two year deal. Smart move.

[Onlytimewilltel]

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Got news for you, JK... you're not going to be in a much better situation other than money if you come to PHX.

If Ishbia wants to get this dude that badly, he's going to put us right back into the apron(s) and for what? So we can get a dude who isn't really going to move the needle that much? Personally speaking, I'd rather we keep our roster as constructed and roll with it. Dunn and Ighodaro are fine and Kuminga isn't going to be the guy who gets us back to the Finals.

Kuminga is probably a better fit next to Booker than Jalen Green is. Perhaps some sort of trade where Green goes to warriors and Kuminga to Suns? This is if they actually plan to keep Booker long term and build around him. I dunno. It’s a crapshoot hah

[DonaldSanders]

Both sides are digging in now, we'll see who blinks first.

Kuminga is probably a better fit next to Booker than Jalen Green is. Perhaps some sort of trade where Green goes to warriors and Kuminga to Suns? This is if they actually plan to keep Booker long term and build around him. I dunno. It’s a crapshoot hah

I'd let JK walk before taking on Green's contract, which is a big negative to me. I got sad whenever he was subbed out in the playoff round vs. GS.

[SkyBill40]

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Got news for you, JK... you're not going to be in a much better situation other than money if you come to PHX.

If Ishbia wants to get this dude that badly, he's going to put us right back into the apron(s) and for what? So we can get a dude who isn't really going to move the needle that much? Personally speaking, I'd rather we keep our roster as constructed and roll with it. Dunn and Ighodaro are fine and Kuminga isn't going to be the guy who gets us back to the Finals.

Kuminga is probably a better fit next to Booker than Jalen Green is. Perhaps some sort of trade where Green goes to warriors and Kuminga to Suns? This is if they actually plan to keep Booker long term and build around him. I dunno. It’s a crapshoot hah

I never wanted Green and would have no qualms about them sending him off in a trade. But I don't see that happening anytime soon since they're steadfast on putting him next to Booker. And given his new extension, Booker isn't going anywhere.