Around the NBA 2024-25 - In Our Offseason, Vol. 1

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Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ctorres]

Tbf if they somehow stay healthy the Mavs are scary af

AD hasn't shot the three well since the bubble.

Not one winning team in the NBA is running a lineup without at least four 3pt threats on the court at all times.

Not true at all. Knicks and Timberwolves both went to the conference finals without 4 3 point threats on the court at all times.

I am going to come at you with facts. Only 7 Knicks players played 18 games in the playoffs. Out of those 7 players, 6 of them shot 33.3% to 37.3% from the 3pt line. The only player among the 7 who couldn't shoot threes was Mitch.

Beyond them, the next 3 players who played the most minutes were Payne (3pt threat during the season at 36.3%, but struggled in the playoffs), Shamet (shot 46.7% in the playoffs, shot 39.7% during the season), and Wright (33.3% for the Knicks during the season, so he could in fact shoot it even if he didn't hit them much in the playoffs)

After that you got Achiuwa which I said all season that Thibs would refuse to play him and Mitch together. Therefore, Achiuwa only got 3rd string Center minutes.

Everyone else on the Knicks did not get real minutes.

Then you bring up the Timberwolves. Bro, literally ELEVEN players for them in the playoffs shot 31.8% from three or better. The only guys who shot worse or didn't shot them at all were guys like Josh Minott and Jaylen Clark who played only 5 games each at 5-6 mpg, and Rudy Gobert. Therefore, the Timberwolves, just like the Knicks, had 4-5 guys at all times who could knock down a three.

Look both teams up on basketball reference. Numbers don't lie. Eye test watching the games does not apply here, no way.

Why do you think Bucks pulled a fast one and got Myles Turner? Because they know if you have Giannis, you HAVE TO put 4 3pt shooters around him at all times. Turner is 8 years younger than Lopez and is going to play the same role.

[3toheadmelo]

AD hasn't shot the three well since the bubble.

Not one winning team in the NBA is running a lineup without at least four 3pt threats on the court at all times.

Not true at all. Knicks and Timberwolves both went to the conference finals without 4 3 point threats on the court at all times.

I am going to come at you with facts. Only 7 Knicks players played 18 games in the playoffs. Out of those 7 players, 6 of them shot 33.3% to 37.3% from the 3pt line. The only player among the 7 who couldn't shoot threes was Mitch.

Beyond them, the next 3 players who played the most minutes were Payne (3pt threat during the season at 36.3%, but struggled in the playoffs), Shamet (shot 46.7% in the playoffs, shot 39.7% during the season), and Wright (33.3% for the Knicks during the season, so he could in fact shoot it even if he didn't hit them much in the playoffs)

After that you got Achiuwa which I said all season that Thibs would refuse to play him and Mitch together. Therefore, Achiuwa only got 3rd string Center minutes.

Everyone else on the Knicks did not get real minutes.

Then you bring up the Timberwolves. Bro, literally ELEVEN players for them in the playoffs shot 31.8% from three or better. The only guys who shot worse or didn't shot them at all were guys like Josh Minott and Jaylen Clark who played only 5 games each at 5-6 mpg, and Rudy Gobert. Therefore, the Timberwolves, just like the Knicks, had 4-5 guys at all times who could knock down a three.

Look both teams up on basketball reference. Numbers don't lie. Eye test watching the games does not apply here, no way.

Why do you think Bucks pulled a fast one and got Myles Turner? Because they know if you have Giannis, you HAVE TO put 4 3pt shooters around him at all times. Turner is 8 years younger than Lopez and is going to play the same role.

Your argument isn't making much sense to me tho. You're saying shooting 31% from 3 is good but AD that shot 29% from 3 means he isn't capable from 3? That doesn't make any sense to me because both numbers are absolutely terrible. So I'm not sure how you came up with the standard of 31% from 3 that means you're a knock down shooter from 3 but if you're shooting 29% you can't shoot anything, when 31% is extremely below average as a 3 point shooter. League average 3pt % this year was 36%. So anything below that, you're below average. The Timberwolves had 3 players in their starting lineup that shot below that average this season : Randle, McDaniels, Gobert and they went to the WCF. The Knicks had 2 players that shot below 36% in the starting lineup : Mikal, Josh hart and still went to the ECF. And Mikal/hart also openly passed up 3s as well which was even worse for our spacing, yet they still got to the ECF.

So if you really want to argue about shooting 29% and 31% then you're on your own about that because that's such a small difference and they're both very much below the league average either way so it doesn't make sense.

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Not true at all. Knicks and Timberwolves both went to the conference finals without 4 3 point threats on the court at all times.

I am going to come at you with facts. Only 7 Knicks players played 18 games in the playoffs. Out of those 7 players, 6 of them shot 33.3% to 37.3% from the 3pt line. The only player among the 7 who couldn't shoot threes was Mitch.

Beyond them, the next 3 players who played the most minutes were Payne (3pt threat during the season at 36.3%, but struggled in the playoffs), Shamet (shot 46.7% in the playoffs, shot 39.7% during the season), and Wright (33.3% for the Knicks during the season, so he could in fact shoot it even if he didn't hit them much in the playoffs)

After that you got Achiuwa which I said all season that Thibs would refuse to play him and Mitch together. Therefore, Achiuwa only got 3rd string Center minutes.

Everyone else on the Knicks did not get real minutes.

Then you bring up the Timberwolves. Bro, literally ELEVEN players for them in the playoffs shot 31.8% from three or better. The only guys who shot worse or didn't shot them at all were guys like Josh Minott and Jaylen Clark who played only 5 games each at 5-6 mpg, and Rudy Gobert. Therefore, the Timberwolves, just like the Knicks, had 4-5 guys at all times who could knock down a three.

Look both teams up on basketball reference. Numbers don't lie. Eye test watching the games does not apply here, no way.

Why do you think Bucks pulled a fast one and got Myles Turner? Because they know if you have Giannis, you HAVE TO put 4 3pt shooters around him at all times. Turner is 8 years younger than Lopez and is going to play the same role.

Your argument isn't making much sense to me tho. You're saying shooting 31% from 3 is good but AD that shot 29% from 3 means he isn't capable from 3? That doesn't make any sense to me because both numbers are absolutely terrible. So I'm not sure how you came up with the standard of 31% from 3 that means you're a knock down shooter from 3 but if you're shooting 29% you can't shoot anything, when 31% is extremely below average as a 3 point shooter. League average 3pt % this year was 36%. So anything below that, you're below average. The Timberwolves had 3 players in their starting lineup that shot below that average this season : Randle, McDaniels, Gobert and they went to the WCF. The Knicks had 2 players that shot below 36% in the starting lineup : Mikal, Josh hart and still went to the ECF. And Mikal/hart also openly passed up 3s as well which was even worse for our spacing, yet they still got to the ECF.

So if you really want to argue about shooting 29% and 31% then you're on your own about that because that's such a small difference and they're both very much below the league average either way so it doesn't make sense.

Take away Mikal’s last second heaves from 3, and he’s above 36% tho

[3toheadmelo]

I am going to come at you with facts. Only 7 Knicks players played 18 games in the playoffs. Out of those 7 players, 6 of them shot 33.3% to 37.3% from the 3pt line. The only player among the 7 who couldn't shoot threes was Mitch.

Beyond them, the next 3 players who played the most minutes were Payne (3pt threat during the season at 36.3%, but struggled in the playoffs), Shamet (shot 46.7% in the playoffs, shot 39.7% during the season), and Wright (33.3% for the Knicks during the season, so he could in fact shoot it even if he didn't hit them much in the playoffs)

After that you got Achiuwa which I said all season that Thibs would refuse to play him and Mitch together. Therefore, Achiuwa only got 3rd string Center minutes.

Everyone else on the Knicks did not get real minutes.

Then you bring up the Timberwolves. Bro, literally ELEVEN players for them in the playoffs shot 31.8% from three or better. The only guys who shot worse or didn't shot them at all were guys like Josh Minott and Jaylen Clark who played only 5 games each at 5-6 mpg, and Rudy Gobert. Therefore, the Timberwolves, just like the Knicks, had 4-5 guys at all times who could knock down a three.

Look both teams up on basketball reference. Numbers don't lie. Eye test watching the games does not apply here, no way.

Why do you think Bucks pulled a fast one and got Myles Turner? Because they know if you have Giannis, you HAVE TO put 4 3pt shooters around him at all times. Turner is 8 years younger than Lopez and is going to play the same role.

Your argument isn't making much sense to me tho. You're saying shooting 31% from 3 is good but AD that shot 29% from 3 means he isn't capable from 3? That doesn't make any sense to me because both numbers are absolutely terrible. So I'm not sure how you came up with the standard of 31% from 3 that means you're a knock down shooter from 3 but if you're shooting 29% you can't shoot anything, when 31% is extremely below average as a 3 point shooter. League average 3pt % this year was 36%. So anything below that, you're below average. The Timberwolves had 3 players in their starting lineup that shot below that average this season : Randle, McDaniels, Gobert and they went to the WCF. The Knicks had 2 players that shot below 36% in the starting lineup : Mikal, Josh hart and still went to the ECF. And Mikal/hart also openly passed up 3s as well which was even worse for our spacing, yet they still got to the ECF.

So if you really want to argue about shooting 29% and 31% then you're on your own about that because that's such a small difference and they're both very much below the league average either way so it doesn't make sense.

Take away Mikal’s last second heaves from 3, and he’s above 36% tho

That mf shot 33% in the playoffs lol hopefully he's in the lab fixing his shot

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Sounds like Zeke because clearly that guy doesn't know that playing defense is also important...

[spree2kawhi]

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Sounds like Zeke because clearly that guy doesn't know that playing defense is also important...

Wait, is Trent still on the market?

[Jeff Van Gully]

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Sounds like Zeke because clearly that guy doesn't know that playing defense is also important...

Wait, is Trent still on the market?

no. he agreed to a two-year deal worth vet minimum (or damn near) to remain with the bucks. this was around a week into free agency.

[Capn'O]

From the GB. Embiid may be cooked:

Grant Afseth of Fastbreak Journal has reported that there is concern about Embiid ever being able to fully regain or sustain the level of play that made him a superstar. Afseth also reported that there is concern about Embiid potentially needing another knee surgery in the future.

"Sources with knowledge of Embiid's situation have privately expressed concerns to FastbreakJournal.com about whether he can fully regain, and more importantly, sustain his prior level of play," Afseth wrote. "One source also indicated there is internal concern about the possibility of Embiid requiring another procedure on the same knee down the line, which has only heightened unease about his long-term outlook."

https://www.newsweek.com/sports/nba/report-76ers-receive-very-concerning-joel-embiid-update-2105139

While speaking on SiriusXM radio, Keith Pompey of the Philadelphia Inquirer speculated that the former MVP may be forced into an early retirement thanks to nagging injuries in his knees and back.

“I think Joel may know that the end is near,” Pompey said. “It’s kind of like explaining to people what he’s been going through. Because rarely do you have a guy tell you how much pain and how much they’re going through… I feel like Joel Embiid knows that, it may not be this season, but the end is near. Maybe he can’t. Maybe he feels as though he can’t play to the level he used to.”

https://nypost.com/2025/07/28/sports/joel-embiid-knows-end-is-near-with-nba-career-ravaged-by-injuries/

While I really do hate to see it... there's a part of me that's like "you hate to see it."

[MrDollarBills]

From the GB. Embiid may be cooked:

Grant Afseth of Fastbreak Journal has reported that there is concern about Embiid ever being able to fully regain or sustain the level of play that made him a superstar. Afseth also reported that there is concern about Embiid potentially needing another knee surgery in the future.

"Sources with knowledge of Embiid's situation have privately expressed concerns to FastbreakJournal.com about whether he can fully regain, and more importantly, sustain his prior level of play," Afseth wrote. "One source also indicated there is internal concern about the possibility of Embiid requiring another procedure on the same knee down the line, which has only heightened unease about his long-term outlook."

https://www.newsweek.com/sports/nba/report-76ers-receive-very-concerning-joel-embiid-update-2105139

While speaking on SiriusXM radio, Keith Pompey of the Philadelphia Inquirer speculated that the former MVP may be forced into an early retirement thanks to nagging injuries in his knees and back.

“I think Joel may know that the end is near,” Pompey said. “It’s kind of like explaining to people what he’s been going through. Because rarely do you have a guy tell you how much pain and how much they’re going through… I feel like Joel Embiid knows that, it may not be this season, but the end is near. Maybe he can’t. Maybe he feels as though he can’t play to the level he used to.”

https://nypost.com/2025/07/28/sports/joel-embiid-knows-end-is-near-with-nba-career-ravaged-by-injuries/

While I really do hate to see it... there's a part of me that's like "you hate to see it."

I hate to see it, but I can't get that image of Joel trying to rip Mitch's surgically repaired ankle off during a playoff game.

I have no respect for him as a player. You don't do that to another player. There's competition and then there's trying to injure someone.

[MrDollarBills]

Sounds like Zeke because clearly that guy doesn't know that playing defense is also important...

Wait, is Trent still on the market?

no. he agreed to a two-year deal worth vet minimum (or damn near) to remain with the bucks. this was around a week into free agency.

A vet minny for Gary Trent!? Why didn't we sign him???? What is happening here?????

Yo the mid to lower tier players need to turn on NBAPA leadership. How is Gary Trent worth a vet minimum??

https://nbpa.com/leadership

KAT is on the board class traitor!!!

[Jalen Bluntson]

From the GB. Embiid may be cooked:

Grant Afseth of Fastbreak Journal has reported that there is concern about Embiid ever being able to fully regain or sustain the level of play that made him a superstar. Afseth also reported that there is concern about Embiid potentially needing another knee surgery in the future.

"Sources with knowledge of Embiid's situation have privately expressed concerns to FastbreakJournal.com about whether he can fully regain, and more importantly, sustain his prior level of play," Afseth wrote. "One source also indicated there is internal concern about the possibility of Embiid requiring another procedure on the same knee down the line, which has only heightened unease about his long-term outlook."

https://www.newsweek.com/sports/nba/report-76ers-receive-very-concerning-joel-embiid-update-2105139

While speaking on SiriusXM radio, Keith Pompey of the Philadelphia Inquirer speculated that the former MVP may be forced into an early retirement thanks to nagging injuries in his knees and back.

“I think Joel may know that the end is near,” Pompey said. “It’s kind of like explaining to people what he’s been going through. Because rarely do you have a guy tell you how much pain and how much they’re going through… I feel like Joel Embiid knows that, it may not be this season, but the end is near. Maybe he can’t. Maybe he feels as though he can’t play to the level he used to.”

https://nypost.com/2025/07/28/sports/joel-embiid-knows-end-is-near-with-nba-career-ravaged-by-injuries/

While I really do hate to see it... there's a part of me that's like "you hate to see it."

I hate to see it, but I can't get that image of Joel trying to rip Mitch's surgically repaired ankle off during a playoff game.

I have no respect for him as a player. You don't do that to another player. There's competition and then there's trying to injure someone.

I don't hate to see it at all. Dude has more money than some small countries. He'll be fine. He's always been a dirty player. You get what you give and you deserve it.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Wait, is Trent still on the market?

no. he agreed to a two-year deal worth vet minimum (or damn near) to remain with the bucks. this was around a week into free agency.

A vet minny for Gary Trent!? Why didn't we sign him???? What is happening here?????

Yo the mid to lower tier players need to turn on NBAPA leadership. How is Gary Trent worth a vet minimum??

https://nbpa.com/leadership

KAT is on the board class traitor!!!

he was on a minimum this past season too.

they can't all get paid. circumstances play into it. only so many chairs.

[MrDollarBills]

no. he agreed to a two-year deal worth vet minimum (or damn near) to remain with the bucks. this was around a week into free agency.

A vet minny for Gary Trent!? Why didn't we sign him???? What is happening here?????

Yo the mid to lower tier players need to turn on NBAPA leadership. How is Gary Trent worth a vet minimum??

https://nbpa.com/leadership

KAT is on the board class traitor!!!

he was on a minimum this past season too.

they can't all get paid. circumstances play into it. only so many chairs.

What!!!? Oh damn.

It's just wild to me that a guy who averages low double digits in scoring and shoots over 40% from deep isn't worth the MLE?

[KnicksGadfly]

A vet minny for Gary Trent!? Why didn't we sign him???? What is happening here?????

Yo the mid to lower tier players need to turn on NBAPA leadership. How is Gary Trent worth a vet minimum??

https://nbpa.com/leadership

KAT is on the board class traitor!!!

he was on a minimum this past season too.

they can't all get paid. circumstances play into it. only so many chairs.

What!!!? Oh damn.

It's just wild to me that a guy who averages low double digits in scoring and shoots over 40% from deep isn't worth the MLE?

Yah...there are always good players who slip through. I feel like this is the type of guy we really needed last year/this year. He can play off other people, he shows up in the playoffs, he can shoot 3s. Ah well...

There are still some intriguing guys out there, but I'd like to get a small forward more than anything.

[spree2kawhi]

he was on a minimum this past season too.

they can't all get paid. circumstances play into it. only so many chairs.

What!!!? Oh damn.

It's just wild to me that a guy who averages low double digits in scoring and shoots over 40% from deep isn't worth the MLE?

Yah...there are always good players who slip through. I feel like this is the type of guy we really needed last year/this year. He can play off other people, he shows up in the playoffs, he can shoot 3s. Ah well...

There are still some intriguing guys out there, but I'd like to get a small forward more than anything.

Lonnie Walker is out of the league again… I don’t get it.

[thebuzzardman]

From the GB. Embiid may be cooked:

Grant Afseth of Fastbreak Journal has reported that there is concern about Embiid ever being able to fully regain or sustain the level of play that made him a superstar. Afseth also reported that there is concern about Embiid potentially needing another knee surgery in the future.

"Sources with knowledge of Embiid's situation have privately expressed concerns to FastbreakJournal.com about whether he can fully regain, and more importantly, sustain his prior level of play," Afseth wrote. "One source also indicated there is internal concern about the possibility of Embiid requiring another procedure on the same knee down the line, which has only heightened unease about his long-term outlook."

https://www.newsweek.com/sports/nba/report-76ers-receive-very-concerning-joel-embiid-update-2105139

While speaking on SiriusXM radio, Keith Pompey of the Philadelphia Inquirer speculated that the former MVP may be forced into an early retirement thanks to nagging injuries in his knees and back.

“I think Joel may know that the end is near,” Pompey said. “It’s kind of like explaining to people what he’s been going through. Because rarely do you have a guy tell you how much pain and how much they’re going through… I feel like Joel Embiid knows that, it may not be this season, but the end is near. Maybe he can’t. Maybe he feels as though he can’t play to the level he used to.”

https://nypost.com/2025/07/28/sports/joel-embiid-knows-end-is-near-with-nba-career-ravaged-by-injuries/

While I really do hate to see it... there's a part of me that's like "you hate to see it."

Trust the process

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