Collin Murray-Boyles Thread

[Clay Davis]

Ha well obviously! We drafted him

Hilarious thing for you to say to Yallbecrazy of all posters IIRC, was the very first poster on the Raps board who was on the CMB train all the way back in the 2024 draft cycle.

So was I. lol.

You guys are arguing a completely different point than the one I was making.

What makes a man... a mammal?? Their endothermic rizz? Their live birthing rizz? Their respiratory rizz (rizzpiratorials?)?

CMB... does he have the rizz??

[WiggOuts]

There isn't much difference between him and OG athletically. He could be 3+D pretty easily and abuse mismatches on the boards and inside. He will be OG+ for us in his prime. Him and Barnes are interchangeable 3/4s that can play the 5 in spurts.

I disagree, their physical profiles are very similar but athletically theres some big differences. OG has insane footspeed/lateral quickness that CMB just doesn't have, its what makes OG capable of guarding PGs very effectively. Im not sure what the actual numbers are but I'm pretty sure OG has him on verts aswell. On the flip side, CMB definitely has bigger stronger hands that allow him to be a way better rebounder, he just has more willingness to play big than OG ever showed. I'm not sure OG ever grabbed double digit rebs more than a handful of times in his career.

Theres one major thing I like that CMB has over OG and thats that toughness, that dawg. This can't be understated. Its the life-force of an NBA player that can make him great rather than just good. Love OG but he is clearly too much of a nice guy and clearly doesn't have that gritty edge. 2 guys that have similar physical profiles in Tony Allen and Ochai. One guy has that maximum dawg and they other will help carry your moms groceries to the car

I think that since CMB is used to playing PF/C at SC that he's got a tad bit extra weight like closer to 250 lbs. As he gets NBA fit, he'll be more comparable to OG guarding 1-4, though maybe be 1-5 like Draymond.

A lot of defensive minded players coming into the nba like the idea of being able to guard 1-4 until they run into guys like De'aron Fox or Kyrie Irving, then it 2-5. Scottie said the same thing and he gets blown by a lot. Bigger guys that can guard pgs are very rare. Thats not to take anything away from CMB, he will be good

[Thaddy]

CMB has an obvious physical limitation. He is going to need to lose weight and add more skills. The key thing he can do at the next level is handle the ball. It's the easiest skill for him to develop since he has a good foundation. Shooting is important but it will take him more than a single summer to figure out.

[WiggOuts]

There isn't much difference between him and OG athletically. He could be 3+D pretty easily and abuse mismatches on the boards and inside. He will be OG+ for us in his prime. Him and Barnes are interchangeable 3/4s that can play the 5 in spurts.

I disagree, their physical profiles are very similar but athletically theres some big differences. OG has insane footspeed/lateral quickness that CMB just doesn't have, its what makes OG capable of guarding PGs very effectively. Im not sure what the actual numbers are but I'm pretty sure OG has him on verts aswell. On the flip side, CMB definitely has bigger stronger hands that allow him to be a way better rebounder, he just has more willingness to play big than OG ever showed. I'm not sure OG ever grabbed double digit rebs more than a handful of times in his career.

Theres one major thing I like that CMB has over OG and thats that toughness, that dawg. This can't be understated. Its the life-force of an NBA player that can make him great rather than just good. Love OG but he is clearly too much of a nice guy and clearly doesn't have that gritty edge. 2 guys that have similar physical profiles in Tony Allen and Ochai. One guy has that maximum dawg and they other will help carry your moms groceries to the car

I think that since CMB is used to playing PF/C at SC that he's got a tad bit extra weight like closer to 250 lbs. As he gets NBA fit, he'll be more comparable to OG guarding 1-4, though maybe be 1-5 like Draymond.

A lot of defensive minded players coming into the nba like the idea of being able to guard 1-4 until they run into guys like De'aron Fox or Kyrie Irving, then it 2-5. Scottie said the same thing and he gets blown by a lot. Bigger guys that can guard pgs are very rare. Thats not to take anything away from CMB, he will be good

[OhCanada]

My biggest worry is that, like Barnes, he might get "lost" if you don't focus on him on offense...

You mean when FVV and Siakam wouldnt pass him the ball?

[WuTang_OG]

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[tsherkin]

My biggest worry is that, like Barnes, he might get "lost" if you don't focus on him on offense...

We have a ton of shooters. I don't think there's going to be any active focus on him offensively this year at all. Until/unless we move some guys, he's got to deal with BI, Quick, RJ and Scottie (whether I want that to be the case or not) ahead of him in the offensive pecking order. CMB is going to largely have to run in transition, hit the O-boards and see if he can get some shots off cuts and whatever his C+S ability brings him for most of this season, I suspect. Unless he makes an early impact, and/or we move one of the higher-volume guys.

[Mikistan]

I disagree, their physical profiles are very similar but athletically theres some big differences. OG has insane footspeed/lateral quickness that CMB just doesn't have, its what makes OG capable of guarding PGs very effectively. Im not sure what the actual numbers are but I'm pretty sure OG has him on verts aswell. On the flip side, CMB definitely has bigger stronger hands that allow him to be a way better rebounder, he just has more willingness to play big than OG ever showed. I'm not sure OG ever grabbed double digit rebs more than a handful of times in his career.

Theres one major thing I like that CMB has over OG and thats that toughness, that dawg. This can't be understated. Its the life-force of an NBA player that can make him great rather than just good. Love OG but he is clearly too much of a nice guy and clearly doesn't have that gritty edge. 2 guys that have similar physical profiles in Tony Allen and Ochai. One guy has that maximum dawg and they other will help carry your moms groceries to the car

I think that since CMB is used to playing PF/C at SC that he's got a tad bit extra weight like closer to 250 lbs. As he gets NBA fit, he'll be more comparable to OG guarding 1-4, though maybe be 1-5 like Draymond.

A lot of defensive minded players coming into the nba like the idea of being able to guard 1-4 until they run into guys like De'aron Fox or Kyrie Irving, then it 2-5. Scottie said the same thing and he gets blown by a lot. Bigger guys that can guard pgs are very rare. Thats not to take anything away from CMB, he will be good

As long as it's part of the defensive system and you funnel the drives where you want and can actively recover to block angles or rotate etc.
But he lunges a lot at Perimeter and that's gonna get tricky tacked fouled and blown by

[DG88]

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[Gavin_TDThree]

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his jumper is really coming around, it feels smoother than Scotties. Scottie has that weird hitch/reload at the top of his jumper. Almost like he has to regather right before he lets it go. CBM seems to have one consistent motion.

[WuTang_OG]

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his jumper is really coming around, it feels smoother than Scotties. Scottie has that weird hitch/reload at the top of his jumper. Almost like he has to regather right before he lets it go. CBM seems to have one consistent motion.

yup way better mechanics than Scottie. Need CMB to put that work in

[tsherkin]

yup way better mechanics than Scottie. Need CMB to put that work in

Looks like he is. Hopefully, it'll come through. We have any luxury available to stash him in the corners from time to time because we aren't doing "Point Collin" experimentation, which means he can get a steady-ish diet of reasonable shots for a developing shooter. That should help.

[WuTang_OG]

yup way better mechanics than Scottie. Need CMB to put that work in

Looks like he is. Hopefully, it'll come through. We have any luxury available to stash him in the corners from time to time because we aren't doing "Point Collin" experimentation, which means he can get a steady-ish diet of reasonable shots for a developing shooter. That should help.

Throughout the year... before and after practice and ultimately test it out in games to keep the defense honest.

[tsherkin]

Throughout the year... before and after practice and ultimately test it out in games to keep the defense honest.

Well, we haven't reached those points in the year. He's doing it now, so we can't penalize him in advance

[WuTang_OG]

Throughout the year... before and after practice and ultimately test it out in games to keep the defense honest.

Well, we haven't reached those points in the year. He's doing it now, so we can't penalize him in advance

saying he needs to put that work in is not penalizing him Lol

Everyone knows thats his biggest hurdle

[tsherkin]

saying he needs to put that work in is not penalizing him Lol

Everyone knows thats his biggest hurdle

But again, he IS putting it in right now. So belaboring the point is premature pessimism at this stage. We'll see if it turns into anything as the season goes on, but his work ethic has never been questioned. So it's either a moot point, or it's a preemptive dig, you know what I mean? This is literally a video of him putting in the work. The only real question is, will it pan out? And for that, we have to wait.

[djsunyc]

with most players, it's not about putting the work in, because they do. it's about whether the talent is there...like touch, muscle memory, hand size, strength, etc.

if it was just about work, then every golfer would be prime tiger and everybody would shoot 40% from 3.

[WuTang_OG]

saying he needs to put that work in is not penalizing him Lol

Everyone knows thats his biggest hurdle

But again, he IS putting it in right now. So belaboring the point is premature pessimism at this stage. We'll see if it turns into anything as the season goes on, but his work ethic has never been questioned. So it's either a moot point, or it's a preemptive dig, you know what I mean? This is literally a video of him putting in the work. The only real question is, will it pan out? And for that, we have to wait.

There's no premature pessimism, that's just your weird understanding of what I said. CMB needs to put that work is not taking a jab at him in any way. We all know he needs to work on his shot so yes he needs to put in the work. This is a start and he already has decent form to grow into a capable shooter.

[tsherkin]

This is a start and he already has decent form to grow into a capable shooter.

It read as a pointless jab with no real other purpose. Sorry if I misinterpreted.

Regardless, it is indeed a start, his form looks decent, so here's hoping he can turn himself into enough of a shooter that he can get out on the floor capably with basically anyone. That'd be super awesome.