The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #4 Free Agency Opens!

[Saberestar]

Gambo confirms that Ryan Dunn has NOT been included in any dialogue with GSW.

Good.

There is nothing happening. Nothing new. The Suns have never discussed Ryan Dunn with the Warriors. He isn't going anywhere

[PhxLax]

Other than the Kings, there is no demand for Kuminga. That’s actually, probably the best deal out there for GS. I would have preferred to dump Allen instead of Royce but it is what it is.

Kuminga is terrible on defense. Can't shoot. You need Allen on the roster. Otherwise you'll have an overdose of SF/PF players competing for time including Kuminga, Royce, Brooks, Hayes, Fleming, and not to mention Dunn.

Royce is a must trade. Grayson is a must keep. Or else you'll have the most lopsided roster.

[King4Day]

Where are we getting those seconds? Three team with us sending another swap for 2nds?

We have all those 2nds available for trades.

We got one extra 2nd in the Mark Williams trade.

I thought we ended draft night with 2.
Does anyone have a breakdown of what 2nds we do have?

Fanspo says we have 3.
Listening to Arizona sports a couple weeks ago noted we had 1.
I don't think anyone has a real grasp on what we have left.

[Sunsdeuce]

Other than the Kings, there is no demand for Kuminga. That’s actually, probably the best deal out there for GS. I would have preferred to dump Allen instead of Royce but it is what it is.

Kuminga is terrible on defense. Can't shoot. You need Allen on the roster. Otherwise you'll have an overdose of SF/PF players competing for time including Kuminga, Royce, Brooks, Hayes, Fleming, and not to mention Dunn.

Royce is a must trade. Grayson is a must keep. Or else you'll have the most lopsided roster.

First part I agree with you. Kuminga sucks

Second part about Allen I don’t agree with. There is this myth that Allen plays defense which is exactly that a total myth. Allen is so extremely worthless when his threes aren’t falling. The only highlights you can find or articles about Allen having a “good game” is when he shoots a high percentage. There is nothing you can find about how he contributes outside the three ball.

[Saberestar]

Where are we getting those seconds? Three team with us sending another swap for 2nds?

We have all those 2nds available for trades.

We got one extra 2nd in the Mark Williams trade.

I thought we ended draft night with 2.
Does anyone have a breakdown of what 2nds we do have?

Fanspo says we have 3.
Listening to Arizona sports a couple weeks ago noted we had 1.
I don't think anyone has a real grasp on what we have left.

Yeah, there are some difficulties to know EXACTLY how many 2nds available for a trade we have ATM.

I think we have four (could be three) but that's counting the 2032 2nd...but not sure if we can trade it.

[KdoubleDees23]

Other than the Kings, there is no demand for Kuminga. That’s actually, probably the best deal out there for GS. I would have preferred to dump Allen instead of Royce but it is what it is.

Kuminga is terrible on defense. Can't shoot. You need Allen on the roster. Otherwise you'll have an overdose of SF/PF players competing for time including Kuminga, Royce, Brooks, Hayes, Fleming, and not to mention Dunn.

Royce is a must trade. Grayson is a must keep. Or else you'll have the most lopsided roster.

First part I agree with you. Kuminga sucks

Second part about Allen I don’t agree with. There is this myth that Allen plays defense which is exactly that a total myth. Allen is so extremely worthless when his threes aren’t falling. The only highlights you can find or articles about Allen having a “good game” is when he shoots a high percentage. There is nothing you can find about how he contributes outside the three ball.

So if Kuminga sucks, does that mean our whole team sucks minus Booker?

[bigfoot]

Does it make sense to offer him a guaranteed starting role?

[Fo-Real]

Kuminga is not really a power forward!!

[KdoubleDees23]

Does it make sense to offer him a guaranteed starting role?

He for sure would be a starter for us.

[lilfishi22]

It seems like in the 2026 draft there are 4-5 players being discussed as the possible #1 pick which means at least for the top 5 it's a deep draft so lets say the Pelicans got the #4 or #5 pick then that pick could potentially be a very impactful player from day one.

Of course there's the chance the Pelicans make the playoffs and then that point is moot but I am not liking the Pels chances with Zion consistently missing games every season.

Yeah if I'm taking a bet, I'd quite easily put money on them missing the playoffs. Even if it isn't a top 3 or top 5 pick, it's still A pick in 2026 when we currently have none

Let me say this loud and clear for all the kids in the back and adults still living with their mom

"SUNS DO NOT DRAFT GOOD".

If they did this trade, I would hope they packaged 2026 1st for another stud veteran to put next to Booker

Don't shout too loud or you'll reveal yourself as a graduate

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Does it make sense to offer him a guaranteed starting role?

Yo, I've been +1'ing some comments in support of trading for Kuminga, before doing the bare minimum of diligence and checking the kid's stats...

This dude sucked last year. What gives? In particular, WTF is up with his FT% and 3FG%? I expect better numbers from Dunn next year in basically every category but FGA... is this guy worth $20 million? Or even just Nick Richards, straight up?

Guess I better check out some highlights or something because this dude MUST have some crazy highlights on his resume... I think I'm going to hate watching this dude play.

[lilfishi22]

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

I had a feeling Dunn was being asked for

Pass

Kuminga has been in the league for 4 years and only does a few things better than Dunn who came into the league a year ago as a flawed prospect. The guy peaked as a 3PT shooter like 2 years ago at 37% and has since dropped down 30.5% which is below Dunn's 31.1% and Dunn did it at a higher volume too. There's a lot I don't like about Kuminga and his attitude and IQ might be at the top of that list.

[lilfishi22]

Mixtapes ? This is a full game vs the Suns! See below Game 3 playoffs. Dropped another 30 game

Watch on YouTube

Here’s Elfrid Payton with 21 assists in a game last year. This is a full game. Dude dropped 21 assists.

https://youtu.be/FWcn7zYpUrY?si=qE3V1LK75pNnd8Le

Did Payton avg this in a playoff series? Difference between 1 game and multiple.

The one single digit scoring game ends up being a win while the rest were fat L's. Interesting

[lilfishi22]

Royce and Nick for Rui. I have always thought Rui had more potential than he was being misused for. In a contract year with a more active role (rather than being a Doncic/Bron and formerly Davis/Bron sidekick), he might play his ass off. He is 27, athletic, shoots threes almost at a Grayson Allen percentage and actually has a post game that he isn't allowed to use very much.

I'd much rather Rui than Kuminga. Rui has comfortably shot above 40% in each of the last two seasons, nearly 60% from 2PT, is a career 76% FT shooter and in his 3 seasons with the Lakers, has never averaged more than 0.7 turnovers a game. He's got decent size for the 4, he can create a little and has been a really efficient player over the last couple of years.

[bigfoot]

Here’s Elfrid Payton with 21 assists in a game last year. This is a full game. Dude dropped 21 assists.

https://youtu.be/FWcn7zYpUrY?si=qE3V1LK75pNnd8Le

Did Payton avg this in a playoff series? Difference between 1 game and multiple.

The one single digit scoring game ends up being a win while the rest were fat L's. Interesting

I'll tell you what is more interesting ... a power forward with only 15 rebounds in 5 games. Three rebounds per game.

What do you call a power forward who averages less than eight rebounds a game ... a small forward.

We already have problems rebounding. Please no weak azz power forward.

[KdoubleDees23]

Did Payton avg this in a playoff series? Difference between 1 game and multiple.

The one single digit scoring game ends up being a win while the rest were fat L's. Interesting

I'll tell you what is more interesting ... a power forward with only 15 rebounds in 5 games. Three rebounds per game.

What do you call a power forward who averages less than eight rebounds a game ... a small forward.

We already have problems rebounding. Please no weak azz power forward.

so who is our PF lol. Dunn or Oso . Both are trash

[kennydorglas]

Completely forgot he played with Green in gleague lol

[lilfishi22]

The one single digit scoring game ends up being a win while the rest were fat L's. Interesting

I'll tell you what is more interesting ... a power forward with only 15 rebounds in 5 games. Three rebounds per game.

What do you call a power forward who averages less than eight rebounds a game ... a small forward.

We already have problems rebounding. Please no weak azz power forward.

so who is our PF lol. Dunn or Oso . Both are trash

Beats paying $90m for....trash

[lilfishi22]

Did Payton avg this in a playoff series? Difference between 1 game and multiple.

The one single digit scoring game ends up being a win while the rest were fat L's. Interesting

I'll tell you what is more interesting ... a power forward with only 15 rebounds in 5 games. Three rebounds per game.

What do you call a power forward who averages less than eight rebounds a game ... a small forward.

We already have problems rebounding. Please no weak azz power forward.

Zero rebounds in 30min played is crazy work

[Fo-Real]

Royce and Nick for Rui. I have always thought Rui had more potential than he was being misused for. In a contract year with a more active role (rather than being a Doncic/Bron and formerly Davis/Bron sidekick), he might play his ass off. He is 27, athletic, shoots threes almost at a Grayson Allen percentage and actually has a post game that he isn't allowed to use very much.

I'd much rather Rui than Kuminga. Rui has comfortably shot above 40% in each of the last two seasons, nearly 60% from 2PT, is a career 76% FT shooter and in his 3 seasons with the Lakers, has never averaged more than 0.7 turnovers a game. He's got decent size for the 4, he can create a little and has been a really efficient player over the last couple of years.

He really does do a lot of things well. Its rare to be both a good shooter and good and smart cutter. He is an intuitive passer and he even plays decent defense. He is basically a 3 level scorer in he strokes 3's, has an effective post game and sticks midranget jumpers at a high clip. At 27, he is smack in his prime basically, has been healthy and has legit pf size. Underrated in my opinion.