Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[EvanZ]

JK is a cyanide tablet for us. If we pay him what he wants or even close, then we will be forced to play him because otherwise that contract becomes…toxic asset. Don’t you people see it? And if we play him, then it’s almost guaranteed to be a disaster. I just don’t see how this ends well. At this point I think GS just has to get off him. Yes they burned an asset. It sucks. But don’t make it worse. Sunk cost fallacy and all.

Just a week ago you were fine with a 'goldilocks' contract in the low 20s. It's looking more and more like a 2 year deal starting at 23 or so. It's now a cyanide tablet? What changed? His unwillingness to give up the NTC in a TO 2nd year?

The whole point was to be able to trade him. His value is probably less than $20M and will get even worse when Kerr doesn’t play him.

[vvoland]

JK is a cyanide tablet for us. If we pay him what he wants or even close, then we will be forced to play him because otherwise that contract becomes…toxic asset. Don’t you people see it? And if we play him, then it’s almost guaranteed to be a disaster. I just don’t see how this ends well. At this point I think GS just has to get off him. Yes they burned an asset. It sucks. But don’t make it worse. Sunk cost fallacy and all.

Just a week ago you were fine with a 'goldilocks' contract in the low 20s. It's looking more and more like a 2 year deal starting at 23 or so. It's now a cyanide tablet? What changed? His unwillingness to give up the NTC in a TO 2nd year?

The whole point was to be able to trade him. His value is probably less than $20M and will get even worse when Kerr doesn’t play him.

That's fair. I don't think his value is less than 20 when, even in a super depressed RFA market he has two offers with an AAV in the low 20s. I think he'll be easily tradeable on a 2/45-50 type deal. It may get worse if Kerr doesn't play him but I don't think that will be much of an issue early in the season. Come April and the playoffs, Kerr may revert back to DNP-CDs but between Halloween and the deadline, I think Kerr plays him, if only because he knows it would be the best way to get him off the team.

I actually don't think it's anywhere near as bad as people think. The dubs have been consistent in taking these negotiations fairly late in the window and JK hasn't said anything negative about the team, or vice versa. The worst thing I've heard is JK's hesitation in trusting Kerr that he'll be a big piece of the rotation, if not a starter. From the team side, the attempt to get the TO and no trade clause dropped is pretty balsy. All in all, a fairly tame negotiation, albeit a tad too public for my tastes. That + the tight RFA market makes me think this is all much ado about nothing.

[Twinkie defense]

Kuminga has a four-year, $90 million contract offer from the Suns that includes a player option for the final season. Warriors offered two-years, $45 million and expect him to be back with the Warriors this season on that deal or the QO, whichever he prefers.

Warriors don’t like the offers on the table from Suns and Kings and are considering stopping sign and trade talks with teams.

[vvoland]

Kuminga has a four-year, $90 million contract offer from the Suns that includes a player option for the final season. Warriors offered two-years, $45 million and expect him to be back with the Warriors this season on that deal or the QO, whichever he prefers.

Warriors don’t like the offers on the table from Suns and Kings and are considering stopping sign and trade talks with teams.

Considering the offers we heard about, did those talks ever really start?

[Onus]

Supposedly the kings are upping their offer to jk to match the suns and do 4/90 but don't want to give an unprotected 1st

[statsman]

Kuminga has a four-year, $90 million contract offer from the Suns that includes a player option for the final season. Warriors offered two-years, $45 million and expect him to be back with the Warriors this season on that deal or the QO, whichever he prefers.

Warriors don’t like the offers on the table from Suns and Kings and are considering stopping sign and trade talks with teams.

Well, the Warriors can stop talking to the other teams, but can they really afford to sign Horford to the TPMLE without a conclusion to Kuminga's situation? How long does Horford wait until he either gets an offer from another team or decides to retire?

I am not saying give in to Kuminga's (well, his agent's) demands. Far from it. I just don't see an off-ramp to this brutal offseason for the Warriors. Yet.

[vvoland]

Kuminga has a four-year, $90 million contract offer from the Suns that includes a player option for the final season. Warriors offered two-years, $45 million and expect him to be back with the Warriors this season on that deal or the QO, whichever he prefers.

Warriors don’t like the offers on the table from Suns and Kings and are considering stopping sign and trade talks with teams.

Well, the Warriors can stop talking to the other teams, but can they really afford to sign Horford to the TPMLE without a conclusion to Kuminga's situation? How long does Horford wait until he either gets an offer from another team or decides to retire?

I am not saying give in to Kuminga's (well, his agent's) demands. Far from it. I just don't see an off-ramp to this brutal offseason for the Warriors. Yet.

It's a pretty obvious one to me. The middle of the offer GS gave vs the JK counter is 2 years and 50M. I'm willing to bet he'll sign a bit below that, if push comes to shove. I think he would have signed the 2/45 if it was either:

fully guaranteed
a 2nd year PO

OR

TO but he got to keep the NTC.

[Twinkie defense]

Putting together what’s been reported over the last couple of days…..

The Warriors are offering 2 years at <$20M / year.
The Kings are offering less that $20M - but Kuminga seems to be more interested in being there.

So he wants to go somewhere else, even willing to accept less money to be away from the Warriors.

But, of course, the Warriors can just match any offer that he signs which is less. So Kuminga just screws himself by signing somebody else’s offer sheet.

Not sure how I see this getting resolved. Of course the Warriors would match a lower offer sheet (than their own offer), meaning a team that wants to avoid the match really needs to make it worth the Warriors’ while. And it seems nobody will.

To me, him just taking the QO to ensure he’s here only one more year seems more likely than I’d want to think.

Talk about terrible representation from an agent, letting it get to this situation.

The offers from the Suns and Kings start out a little longer, but they have more years and more guaranteed money.

More years and more guaranteed money for an unproven player in today’s first and second apron cap climate is a red flag for a lot of teams.

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[AirP.]

BTW, this is what I mean about Kuminga calls his own number way too often, he got the ball with 18 on the shot clock, 6 seconds later doing nothing but backing his man down he puts up a left-handed shot. These are the plays that hurt the offense.

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[Twinkie defense]

Not the same at all since it's really just a one year deal and no security at all for JK.

Wait, does Kuminga think he’s a superstar being held back by Steve Kerr or is he looking for a last big payday?

[vvoland]

BTW, this is what I mean about Kuminga calls his own number way to often. Tunnel vision.

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You got some videos of Jimmy passing up open layups? Including the one he didn't take late in the year against dallas that, likely, cost us the 6 seed?

[AirP.]

BTW, this is what I mean about Kuminga calls his own number way to often. Tunnel vision.

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You got some videos of Jimmy passing up open layups? Including the one he didn't take late in the year against dallas that, likely, cost us the 6 seed?

I'm glad you asked since it seems that so many people are ignorant about what Butler does to make his teams better. He attacks the basket to create for his teammates. Here, enjoy seeing how he helps the team be better vs just getting his own with a bunch of attacking the basket only to look to pass. I don't get how people still don't understand what he's doing or how he's made teams he played on so much better without being that bigtime scorer. This style is "somewhat" proven taking underwhelming rosters to multiple ECFs and NBA Finals.

BTW... Kuminga hijacks the offense WAY too often, like I posted before, he shot the ball at the same rate that KD did this last season.

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[vvoland]

BTW, this is what I mean about Kuminga calls his own number way to often. Tunnel vision.

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You got some videos of Jimmy passing up open layups? Including the one he didn't take late in the year against dallas that, likely, cost us the 6 seed?

I'm glad you asked since it seems that so many people are ignorant about what Butler does to make his teams better. He attacks the basket to create for his teammates. Here, enjoy seeing how he helps the team be better vs just getting his own with a bunch of attacking the basket only to look to pass. I don't get how people still don't understand what he's doing or how he's made teams he played on so much better without being that bigtime scorer. This style is "somewhat" proven taking underwhelming rosters to multiple ECFs and NBA Finals.

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I said open layups, not passing to the corner out of double teams. I'll find it for you

[statsman]

Geez, here we go again. Someone pass me the popcorn ...

This place will become insufferable regardless of what happens with Kuminga.

[AirP.]

You got some videos of Jimmy passing up open layups? Including the one he didn't take late in the year against dallas that, likely, cost us the 6 seed?

I'm glad you asked since it seems that so many people are ignorant about what Butler does to make his teams better. He attacks the basket to create for his teammates. Here, enjoy seeing how he helps the team be better vs just getting his own with a bunch of attacking the basket only to look to pass. I don't get how people still don't understand what he's doing or how he's made teams he played on so much better without being that bigtime scorer. This style is "somewhat" proven taking underwhelming rosters to multiple ECFs and NBA Finals.

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I said open layups, not passing to the corner out of double teams. I'll find it for you

Uh oh, you're finding one play to go against the one of MANY Kuminga I'll get my own plays from just this season when GS was trying to move up in the standings. Good call, what an incredible point you're making. Sure, Kuminga hijacks the offense a lot but see, I found one or even a couple of bad plays but Butler, see, they're the same!

BTW, he did the same thing in Miami.

[Ilovethebay]

BTW, this is what I mean about Kuminga calls his own number way too often, he got the ball with 18 on the shot clock, 6 seconds later doing nothing but backing his man down he puts up a left-handed shot. These are the plays that hurt the offense.

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You have a real talent for finding this type of content. Congrats

[DonaldSanders]

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Not that I trust Spears, but it would be great if this were true. It would make it much more likely we can get the Kangz to budge and give us more. Hopefully Vivek loves JK.

[HiRez]

Geez, here we go again. Someone pass me the popcorn ...

This place will become insufferable regardless of what happens with Kuminga.

Yeah, I'm so past the arguments about the details of why Kuminga is or isn't good, I mean I'm guilty of re-engaging them myself, but please just let it die guys. We've all had the same arguments a thousand times and everyone should understand by now Kuminga just needs to go, at this point why doesn't matter and whose fault it is doesn't matter.

[DaHef]

Well, at least the Giants made a trade today.