Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[AirP.]

For those wondering about R.Dunn being in a trade package from Phoenix...

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[DonaldSanders]

For those wondering about R.Dunn being in a trade package from Phoenix...

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Yeah there was never any way we were getting Dunn.

[vvoland]

I'm glad you asked since it seems that so many people are ignorant about what Butler does to make his teams better. He attacks the basket to create for his teammates. Here, enjoy seeing how he helps the team be better vs just getting his own with a bunch of attacking the basket only to look to pass. I don't get how people still don't understand what he's doing or how he's made teams he played on so much better without being that bigtime scorer. This style is "somewhat" proven taking underwhelming rosters to multiple ECFs and NBA Finals.

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I said open layups, not passing to the corner out of double teams. I'll find it for you

Uh oh, you're finding one play to go against the one of MANY Kuminga I'll get my own plays from just this season when GS was trying to move up in the standings. Good call, what an incredible point you're making. Sure, Kuminga hijacks the offense a lot but see, I found one or even a couple of bad plays but Butler, see, they're the same!

BTW, he did the same thing in Miami.

But that's the whole point. You're making it seem like ALL JK does is hijack the offense and force bad shots. At the same time, you're painting a picture of Jimmy as a guy that can do no wrong and always makes the right play. Neither is correct and I don't get why you're pushing both narratives.

JK is a flawed player with real skills and significant detriments. Jimmy Butler drives winning at a very high level but his insistence on passing over shooting, at important moments, can come back to bite his teams. I don't think either is particularly controversial, except to you.

[vvoland]

I'm glad you asked since it seems that so many people are ignorant about what Butler does to make his teams better. He attacks the basket to create for his teammates. Here, enjoy seeing how he helps the team be better vs just getting his own with a bunch of attacking the basket only to look to pass. I don't get how people still don't understand what he's doing or how he's made teams he played on so much better without being that bigtime scorer. This style is "somewhat" proven taking underwhelming rosters to multiple ECFs and NBA Finals.

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

I said open layups, not passing to the corner out of double teams. I'll find it for you

Uh oh, you're finding one play to go against the one of MANY Kuminga I'll get my own plays from just this season when GS was trying to move up in the standings. Good call, what an incredible point you're making. Sure, Kuminga hijacks the offense a lot but see, I found one or even a couple of bad plays but Butler, see, they're the same!

BTW, he did the same thing in Miami.

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I've had no trouble saying that the examples you've posted of JK being tunnel-visioned are appropriate. I wonder if you think the above pass by butler is still about "the team be better" and if EVERY play he makes is the right one. That's certainly been your position since you joined this board 6 months ago. I, for one, welcome the interaction but find it to be fairly one sided.

[eminence]

Kings offering him a starting job would be strange to me, DeRozan/Murray more deserving of the spots imo. I could see going with youth and getting DeRozan to buy into a super 6th man role.

But for some reason I doubt that's the idea.

[Onus]

Kings offering him a starting job would be strange to me, DeRozan/Murray more deserving of the spots imo. I could see going with youth and getting DeRozan to buy into a super 6th man role.

But for some reason I doubt that's the idea.

Supposedly ddr is getting moved if they get jk.

[vvoland]

Kings offering him a starting job would be strange to me, DeRozan/Murray more deserving of the spots imo. I could see going with youth and getting DeRozan to buy into a super 6th man role.

But for some reason I doubt that's the idea.

Supposedly ddr is getting moved if they get jk.

For what? Devin Carter and a bag of stale doritos? Even saric can't get aggregated for another 4 months.

[eminence]

Kings offering him a starting job would be strange to me, DeRozan/Murray more deserving of the spots imo. I could see going with youth and getting DeRozan to buy into a super 6th man role.

But for some reason I doubt that's the idea.

Supposedly ddr is getting moved if they get jk.

They should probably do that regardless of if they can get jk.

[Twinkie defense]

Why do you call JK petty, in this situation? Because he's looking to get the best deal for himself in this objectively awful situation? I told you 2/48 probably gets it done, I should have clarified that the 2nd year would need to be fully guaranteed or a PO. I still think it gets done at that number - one that no one on this board would complain about, not even Evan. Sure, 1 yr at 22.5M is better than the QO. The 3/82 they offered to the dubs that keeps the TPMLE available is also a very reasonable offer. Aren't the warriors petty by not giving him that, locking him into a tradeable contract, and doing right by a player they've jerked around quite a bit? You think JK & co turn down 3/75 if their starting offer was 3/82?

Kuminga can do whatever he wants but there seem to be some contradictions in his thought.

If he thinks he's a star in the making who has been held back by the Warriors why doesn't he bet on himself? Take a short deal and become an unrestricted free agent as soon as possible.

He wants to choose his team but that's not his right as a restricted free agent.

[Onus]

Kings offering him a starting job would be strange to me, DeRozan/Murray more deserving of the spots imo. I could see going with youth and getting DeRozan to buy into a super 6th man role.

But for some reason I doubt that's the idea.

Supposedly ddr is getting moved if they get jk.

For what? Devin Carter and a bag of stale doritos? Even saric can't get aggregated for another 4 months.

Unprotected 1st probably gets it done

[Onus]

Kings offering him a starting job would be strange to me, DeRozan/Murray more deserving of the spots imo. I could see going with youth and getting DeRozan to buy into a super 6th man role.

But for some reason I doubt that's the idea.

Supposedly ddr is getting moved if they get jk.

They should probably do that regardless of if they can get jk.

They have no other forwards though. They only have Keegan, ddr and McDermott

[vvoland]

Why do you call JK petty, in this situation? Because he's looking to get the best deal for himself in this objectively awful situation? I told you 2/48 probably gets it done, I should have clarified that the 2nd year would need to be fully guaranteed or a PO. I still think it gets done at that number - one that no one on this board would complain about, not even Evan. Sure, 1 yr at 22.5M is better than the QO. The 3/82 they offered to the dubs that keeps the TPMLE available is also a very reasonable offer. Aren't the warriors petty by not giving him that, locking him into a tradeable contract, and doing right by a player they've jerked around quite a bit? You think JK & co turn down 3/75 if their starting offer was 3/82?

Kuminga can do whatever he wants but there seem to be some contradictions in his thought.

If he thinks he's a star in the making who has been held back by the Warriors why doesn't he bet on himself? Take a short deal and become an unrestricted free agent as soon as possible.

He wants to choose his team but that's not his right as a restricted free agent.

You're saying because JK is confident in himself he should take the QO, play for 8M, and become an UFA next summer?

That would be a disaster. No guarantee Kerr gives him a consistent bench role and he'd need to make 38M next season just to recoup the 15M he'd give up this year by not signing the 2/45. That's not happening

[Twinkie defense]

As long as it allows them to sign Al, who cares, no?

Warriors are going to sign Al. Al may get more or less money depending on the Kuminga situation but the Warriors aren't going to let Kuminga get in the way of signing Al Horford.

[vvoland]

Supposedly ddr is getting moved if they get jk.

For what? Devin Carter and a bag of stale doritos? Even saric can't get aggregated for another 4 months.

Unprotected 1st probably gets it done

As much as I would like an unprotected first from the kings, in a vacuum, how does that help us win a title this season (the one we both agree is likely to be our last real shot)? Unless we have a trade lined up for that FRP, I don't really want it. Sure, we'd 'win the trade' or whatever but would, likely, lose more games.

[vvoland]

As long as it allows them to sign Al, who cares, no?

Warriors are going to sign Al. Al may get more or less money depending on the Kuminga situation but the Warriors aren't going to let Kuminga get in the way of signing Al Horford.

it's the retirement that's the risk. The longer it takes, the more likely it becomes. With a 6M check direct depositing every two weeks, it's harder to walk away. I'm with you, though. I think the Horford deal is done and they're just waiting for the JK thing to resolve.

[Onus]

For what? Devin Carter and a bag of stale doritos? Even saric can't get aggregated for another 4 months.

Unprotected 1st probably gets it done

As much as I would like an unprotected first from the kings, in a vacuum, how does that help us win a title this season (the one we both agree is likely to be our last real shot)? Unless we have a trade lined up for that FRP, I don't really want it. Sure, we'd 'win the trade' or whatever but would, likely, lose more games.

You’re the last person that thinks jk wants to come back. Mdj making the 2nd year a team option tells you we don’t really want him back to stay on the team either.

Getting Carter + highsmith + unprotected 1st works for me.

[Twinkie defense]

Can they sign him to a 1 year deal? Just pitch him on hey you want out, here's $25M instead of $10M and we're trading you at the deadline.

Why would the Warriors pay Kuminga 3x what they have to pay him to play one season for them? And why would another team trade for him - or give up anything of value - for a 40 game rental?

[Twinkie defense]

Kuminga has a four-year, $90 million contract offer from the Suns that includes a player option for the final season. Warriors offered two-years, $45 million and expect him to be back with the Warriors this season on that deal or the QO, whichever he prefers.

Warriors don’t like the offers on the table from Suns and Kings and are considering stopping sign and trade talks with teams.

Considering the offers we heard about, did those talks ever really start?

I think it sends a message to Kuminga, you might want to play for the Suns or Kings but that's not gonna be an option anymore - your only options are play for the QO or sign this 1+1 deal with us and make some more money.

[Twinkie defense]

Kuminga has a four-year, $90 million contract offer from the Suns that includes a player option for the final season. Warriors offered two-years, $45 million and expect him to be back with the Warriors this season on that deal or the QO, whichever he prefers.

Warriors don’t like the offers on the table from Suns and Kings and are considering stopping sign and trade talks with teams.

Well, the Warriors can stop talking to the other teams, but can they really afford to sign Horford to the TPMLE without a conclusion to Kuminga's situation? How long does Horford wait until he either gets an offer from another team or decides to retire?

I am not saying give in to Kuminga's (well, his agent's) demands. Far from it. I just don't see an off-ramp to this brutal offseason for the Warriors. Yet.

Seems to me Al Horford has already agreed to play for the Warriors, and they gave him an option - you can sign now for this small amount of money, or if you want to wait until the Kuminga situation is resolved you'll make more. Really no harm in Al waiting right? Could mean a few mil to him.

[bay2hk]

Time for warriors to pull their 2 years / $45m offer and stop the S&T talks. Force JK to sign the QO or let it expire on 10/1 and keep his RFA rights.